>>7594554 Philosophy in the Bedroom has a lot of philosophical discussion and some sex, but gives a good idea of the views Sade gives his libertine characters. It's written as a play and it's his tamest work, but serves well as an introduction to his ideas. It's also his most republican work and contains a pamphlet about how the new French republic isn't truly free unless France liberates itself from dated sexual mores as well et cetera, going into publically kept brothels and all kinds of fun ideas about contraception and sexual education and so on. It's relatively short and his most 'progressive' and accessible work while also being raunchy and funny enough to keep you entertained.
Justine and Juliette are novels with a lot of debauchery but also a lot of philosophical talk. They're kind of like a mix of hardcore smut and tongue in cheek Socratic dialogue. Perhaps even more fun too read, but a bit lengthy and repetitive and therefore possibly not the best introduction.
120 Days is almost all filth with little of the sophism behind it that makes Sade special. It's his most boring work.
>>7594576 Most of Sade involves snuff though. There's this part in Justine where an old doctor makes an incision in the belly of his pregnant (with his own child I believe) daughter and fucks her in the uterus through the wound until she dies, for example.
>>7594657 You're welcome. His wiki is also worth reading/skimming, he had an interesting life in a very interesting time.
Started out as a decadent libertine aristocrat (raised by his priest uncle in a castle, who had a mistress and plenty of dirty books) but also apparently fearless warrior before the revolution, got locked up in the Bastille to be killed but was freed again, ended up working on the side of the revolution as a far leftist and finally got his ass locked up in a madhouse by Napoleon for the rest of his life for writing dirty books. Where he wrote plays for all the crazy people to perform to keep himself busy.
>>7594676 If you'd ever read Sade you'd probably like Philosophy in the Bedroom the most, it has little to no child rape depending on your definitions and almost nobody dies.
There's actually something emancipatory to the whole book with teaching girls what their clit is and how to use it for their own pleasure and how to use their sexuality to their own benefit and such. My copy is actually subtitled 'for the education of young girls'.
I read it and thought it was hilarious. Even the lists of different passions are entertaining.
"l'un des grands plaisirs de Durcet est de se faire chatouiller l'anus par le membre énorme du duc."
"Au milieu de cela s'offrait, sans qu'on eût la peine d'écarter, un orifice immense dont le diamètre énorme, l'odeur et la couleur le faisaient plutôt ressembler à une lunette de commodités qu'au trou d'un cul; et pour comble d'appas, il entrait dans les petites habitudes de ce pourceau de Sodome de laisser toujours cette partie-là dans un tel état de malpropreté qu'on y voyait sans cesse autour un bourrelet de deux pouces d'épaisseur."
Here we have once again the useful idiot, and of all things, an anarchist, embarrassing itself again. Its polite bourgeois sensibilities match the pretense of its tripcode; let's have freedom, but NOT REALLY. It has never in its entire life taken to the meaning of the concept of freedom itself to a logical conclusion, because as Woman, it is incapable.
>>7595025 Flat out telling women they should live for their own pleasure and use their sexuality to get what they want at the expense of others while making sure they don't get pregnant has been controversial at times.
>>7594541 The last chapters aren't as detailed as Sade would have liked it. I think most of his work went to the fire when they were discovered, among them were probably the said chapters. So you may end up frustrated, as I did, because he keeps saying in the book that the four friends does terrible things to their captives but he won't describe it to not spoil the last chapters (which are not completed). If I recall correctly, the book is about the four friends fucking mostly the boys while getting fucked by the "fouteurs" (roughly fuckers in french), all the while blaming and bullying the girls because they're not as enjoyable as the little boys. They enjoy making the girls fart too.
All in all, you should read Justine (the last books as it is the most complete one), his reflexions are much more interesting and you don't have gay bondage sex every line.
> His wiki is also worth reading/skimming, he had an interesting life in a very interesting time.
Agreed. I always get a perverse delight from reading his bio, especially when remembering all the idiotic third-wave feminists I've met who celebrate his work as an expression of "free love," etc. — even though Sade was, by all accounts, a sadistic rapist.
They'll screen and cry and call you shitlord if you mention you like "Chinatown" or "Annie Hall," then coo in an oh-so-edgy way about the BDSM of "Sodom."
>>7597266 The morals and philosophy are decent but very obvious. The morality at the end of Justine was very obvious and didn't really add anything new but it was surprising to me that DeSade even claimed to have a philosophy as he is portrayed as an unremorseful libertine.
>>7594541 This is one of the weird instances in which the adaptation is actually better than the original. I mean, if you're going to read something as visceral and, dare I say, as edgy as 120 Days of Sodom, you might as well watch the movie first, which is enhanced by visual imagery.
The book isn't really that good, and like many anons have said, Philosophy in the Bedroom is better.
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