I think this is an extremely arrogant method of thinking. Things happen to people. Things that are so psychologically scarring and traumatic, it's unfair to call them human shells for "bitching" about it. When you grow up or experience what I'm talking about maybe you'll stop being so fucking arrogant.
If I'm feeling "depressed" I don't write because I don't want to face my emotions. That being said I do come up with good lines while I am bummed out, heart break causes modesty which can give you an outside perspective on yourself and life, which helps my writing and my mental health. When I am in a relationship I don't write as much either though because I want to spend my time with that person, I just can't write with others around. I've got one friend that I can and that's because we've lived together a few times.
It's alienation, not depression. You have to be in some way separate from "normal" people to do art; and not necessarily in character, you physically need time and tranquility to write, perhaps also something which you feel can't be expressed in the usual forms of communication.
>>7591506 No. Depression shrinks your brain (literally) and clouds your mind. It's hard to concentrate often when seriously depressed and your creativity and logical thinking go completely down the gutter. Don't listen to all the middle class undergrads on here who romanticise shit like poverty and mental illness as part of some imagined "literary lifestyle" because it's utter nonsense.
>Was depressed during NGE >Made one of the most influential and meaningful anime of all time, along with one of the best animated film of all time. >Made a ton of money. >Proceeded to make Rebuild series, which is a complete fucking abomination that bastardizes the entire series and what it stood for. Yes.
>>7592501 Nearing forty years old, I'm well past any starter kit. Asian cartoons are not art and grown folks should not be watching them. I couldn't give a shit what you think you've "gotten" from them, you're wrong here. Read more dead white men. Have a couple of rounds at The Bible if you're bored.
>>7592519 Kek, I read like a fiend. You can enjoy different art forms you know, bud. Don't be so dismissive. I'd believe someone got something out of fucking tetris if they knew how to articulate it properly
>>7592519 >Asian cartoons are not art and grown folks should not be watching them Your shitty, thinly-veiled podracer fanfiction ain't either. Gas station attendant ain't no job fit for a grown man. Use your trip.
>>7592479 >makes a postmodern masterpiece criticizes the medium and fans >fans are all 16 years old and mistake the show as being super "deep" >has an insanely devoted fan base liking the show for the exact opposite reason he wanted >continues to cash in on his own failure (or stupidity of fans depending on how you look at it)
>>7591506 They just need a huge emotional palette which usually includes depression, but should not be limited by it, because happiness is profound and indispensable but depression makes happiness impossible to remember.
>>7592182 Yeah, the only think I could do when I was depressed were passive things like watching shows or listening to music. Even doing that was kind of pointless because I would not really pay attention and could not enjoy them.
>>7591853 I really doubt that Thomas Pynchon is mentally insane, unstable or a massive drug-addict. It seems like he dabbled/ experimented in/ with hallucinogens in the '60s and definitely smoked weed but I wouldn't put either of these things beyond things that healthy, stable adults occasionally indulge in. Also, what little we know about him it doesn't seem like he suffers from depression. His novels/ articles in the NYT/ writings to me at least don't give off that air. >>7591894 Tolstoy was not mentally stable. I know he suffered from severe depression at certain periods. He just had alot of money, which probably kept his head above water, and didn't drink, because he had formerly had a problem with alcohol. >>7593019 No he didn't, or at least there's not enough evidence to validate that claim.
>>7593528 Sure, but creativity comes out of it at the other end and you know it does. And it takes serious, serious depression to completely crush someone's writing habits. I maintained a journal through all of my worst times, if an irregular one.
>>7593534 I didn't feel anymore creative after two years of crippling depression. In fact, my brain is seriously atrophied and I've been devoting as much time as I can to reading and studying just to get my mental capacity up to speed again. For a while I even struggled with basic mental arithmetic and reading comprehension.
>>7593542 Habits, my good man. Solid writing habits however irrelevant the writing is go a LONG way in the battle between depression and creativity. You'll have better luck next time if you're better prepared for it, which is the whole game really.
Depression is useful because it helps you observe yourself and others more truthfully. It's been shown in psychological science that depressed people can more accurately describe themselves and others. This is interpreted as cynicism by normies, who ignore certain realities of human nature.
The most important thing is observation. That's what makes a great writer. Bring able to observe and then describe in detail even the banalities of everyday life can actually make for some very excellent writing. Tolstoy was known for this.
>>7591506 I've been depressed on and off for 12 years now and all that i have written when depressed has been too self-indulgent and absolutely one dimensional according to my friends. I've written better when i've been in love or have had a terrible break up. Make of it what you will because i still am writing for a shit local newspaper in Burgerstan.
>>7591872 I miss this feeling. It would all be worthwhile for this.
>>7593553 Your ideation; did the significance of these thoughts occur to you at the time? In retrospect what hit me was that I always considered such feelings with distance, until it crossed from being ideation to wish and practice.
>>7593606 I think I respected the gravity of the situation, I thoroughly did want to die. I was kept tied down by my lack of energy and because of my family. On the worse days it was like being on the precipice of sanity. For some reason, I had always concluded I wanted to die by slitting my own throat, and as I would lie in bed - I swear I could feel the cold metal tracing across my throat. It was an awful, frightening sensation.
>>7592182 Seeing as other people seem to be agreeing with you, I feel like it is my duty to point out that this is complete and utter bullshit. Brain scans of depressed people show that certain areas are shrinked relative to healthy controls (e.g. the prefrontal cortex - responsible for control and regulation) whereas other areas are larger (e.g. the amygdala - the brain's emotional centre). So depression does not 'literally shrink your brain' at all.
>>7591506 No. You have to learn to write well to write well. If you attended public school, did not have a private tutor, or are not naturally 'gifted' (in which case you'd have been reading from a very young age) you're not off to a good start.
>Whether we believe the Greek poet, "it is sometimes even pleasant to be mad", or Plato, "he who is master of himself has knocked in vain at the doors of poetry"; or Aristotle, "no great genius was without a mixture of insanity"; the mind cannot express anything lofty and above the ordinary unless inspired. When it despises the common and the customary, and with sacred inspiration rises higher, then at length it sings something grander than that which can come from mortal lips. It cannot attain anything sublime and lofty so long as it is sane: it must depart from the customary, swing itself aloft, take the bit in its teeth, carry away its rider and bear him to a height whither he would have feared to ascend alone.
Though it's easy to feel powerless in the face of mental illness (whether its genuine or just your own pliable inadequacies getting the best of you), I think that a lot of people's success stories of overcoming obstacles and doing great things for the world share one big commonality:
They fucking got on with it.
And guess what? You can too.
It's easy to create those I'm-a-special-snowflake excuses that you think'll somehow separate you from those successful (but at the same time: ORDINARY) humans you idolize so much. It's easy to circlejerk with your sadness, insecurities, lack of commitment, "bad genetics," or whatever lies you're peddling to yourself.
But at their core, that's all they'll ever be: lies. All that's really separating you from these people are the limitations you place on yourself.
And if you're satisfied with that, more power to you. But if you're not, then the only one who can make it change is yourself.
Stop worshiping the circlejerk and get back to fucking work.
A quote from our very own Pale King:
>The entire ball game, in terms of both the exam and life, was what you gave attention to vs. what you will yourself to not.
>>7591506 Utter bullshit. Despair can provide inspiration in certain circumstances but depression makes most people unmotivated and withdrawn. I could name a million great writers who gave no indication that they were depressed while writing (and i bet you could too if you stepped outside this stupid theory for a minute) which disproves you bullshit emo meme right out of the gate.
Orphaned when he was 9. Lost most of his money once. Was addicted to hookers and gambling for a time. Had an existential crisis later in among other shit. The guy definitely went through several bouts of depression.
Probably did coke like a lot of people in that time did.
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