Which writer/philosopher had the worst life? Which had the best?

>>7586104
Judging by his corpulence, Hume probably had a comfy life.
Kierkegaard had a pretty sad life.

worst: Kierkegaard

best: Cioran

Wait until I'm dead t b h
but for best I'd say Sartre

>>7586104
Nietzsche suffered alright

Worst: Solzhenitsyn, DFW

Best: Ben Franklin

I don't know which writer had the best life, but Gustav Flaubert had it fucking rough.

What makes a life better than another?

>>7586228
audience pu$$y, food, shelter and intellectual satisfaction

>>7586136
Fat = good life

Guess this is as good as it gets then...

>>7586136
>>7586137
Did anything happen to Kirk besides his siblings dying

>>7586291
no v ever

>>7586136
I dunno about hume, he spent most of his life trying to reexplain and apologize for treatise of human nature even though it was a great work. There's even a part at the end of book 1 where he speaks frankly about his fears that people would misconstrue his work and the fact that his own philosophy depresses him amidst his inability to stop developing his philosophy. It's like the otter who hates watermelon and can't stop eating it.

>>7586236
You had to be rich to be fat back then

>>7586333
Yeah I don't know very much about philosophers lives, I just threw it out there for the sake of the thread. If you count Camus as a philosopher, I change my answer to him.

worst: mainlander
best: russell

>>7586291

He was obsessed with death, and was certain that God himself had chosen his family for extraordinary punishment because his father had rejected the holy spirit in a moment of rage.

Like Camus, his entire philosophy is coming from a place of all-consuming anxiety about death.

>>7586291
he was a lonely cripple with a poor public reputation

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Dostoyevsky straight up had seizures left and right, went to a Russian gulag for a good portion of his life where he was walked to the executioners block, only to be pardoned at the last minute. Then, as the God he always pondered came down and pooped on his chest, he started having worse seizures and developed a massive gambling problem.

Charles Darwin had wicked Crohn's disease to the point where he basically shit himself to death, ultimately proving his life's work and theories. But not after half his kids died from shitting themselves to death as well, before his very eyes.

>>7586104

Best: Chekov, Tolstoy, Mann
Worst: Solzhenitsyn (dude was in a gulag), Kafka, Kierkegaard

>>7586199
wrong thread

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Schopenhauer's life started rough but ended quite nicely.

His father died when he was young, his family's business went bankrupt at one point, while in his middle age he was rejected by a number of teenaged women he fell in love with, and he had a strained relationship with his mother.

When he was about 45 he moved from Danzig to Frankfurt and spent the next three decades living alone with his dogs, reading and writing all the time, and taking long walks every day. In other words, most of /lit/'s paradise

implying there's a a standard or modell to measure what's good or bad.

>>7587753
Not Tolstoy, he was in a very unhappy marriage for the majority of his life. When he finally decided to leave and adventure/tour the world he died at the train station before even getting out of the town

>>7587753
>implying tolstoy

Witty had a good life w/r/t material wealth, too bad that didn't stop his siblings from killing themselves left and right

>>7587880
>His father died when he was young, his family's business went bankrupt at one point, while in his middle age he was rejected by a number of teenaged women he fell in love with, and he had a strained relationship with his mother.
this is the story of my life, can I still become a great writer then?

Btw feuerbach and stirner were very unlucky too

>>7589130
Nigga u just wrong
Tolstoy became a shoemaker. He relinquished his privilege and lived peacefully in the Russian campaign.

>>7589130
Yeah Tolstoy seemed pretty miserable from the little I know about him

>>7589590
Tolstoy is the ultimate Christian cuck

>>7586104
Poe had a tragic life

>>7586137
>best: Cioran
wasn't that nigga was a tier 1 pessimist? He still had a good life?!

>>7587287
His life's work was proving cousins shouldn't marry?

>>7587287
Well you don't really "shit" yourself to death, it's the inflammation and ulcers in your colon that causes your body to not absorb any nutrients. Yes, you have diarrhea and severe pain pretty much constantly, but it's not like you're just taking regular shits.

I have crohn's diease and lost 40lbs with it (I wasn't overweight). I've been fine for 5 years now though, thanks to modern medicine.

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>>7586104

> When he was nine years old, Vollmann's six-year-old sister drowned in a pond while under his supervision, and he felt responsible for her death.[3] According to him, this loss has influenced much of his work.[4]

Must be pretty horrible to have that hanging over you your entire life.

Plus, look at that face

>>7586137
>>7590671

Cioran moved from backwater Romania to Paris, one of the alpha-cities on Earth. Eventually (though he himself would probably have dismissed it, it still had to feel somewhat nice) his nihilist work (the one thing for which he had to have had some deep interest, passion, whatever you want to call it, or else he wouldn't have written it in the first place) got recognized there, and consequently throughout the west. He normally declined prizes, but he did accept one big one because even he, being actually a fairly well-adjusted person, realized that not taking the big prize that they really really really want to give you (like Perelman and the fields medal) is of itself a dick move.

Cioran lived a quiet, comfy life in Paris for the rest of his life after WWII, not interfered with by a government or a corporation. He got to do exactly what he felt like doing with his life (write nihilism), and actually got /respect and admiration for doing so/, easy to get from the gloomy mid-century French. He even had an unmarried gf of many years, produced no children that I'm aware of, and had a few friends with whom he kept in touch, until he died in his ripe old 80s --- having kept the suicide option in his back pocket, ready to pull it out at any time should things have gotten too much.

In short, Cioran practiced what he preached, lived a quiet normie lifestyle that satisfied basic human social needs without compromising himself significantly apart from his expat status, and lived into old age. /r9k/ wishes they could have lived a life like that - I sure do.

>Crohn's Disease

Man, I (may) have Crohn's disease. It's pretty cool to know that Darwin had it too.

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>>7590738

>Using the words "alpha", "comfy" and "normie" outside of /r9k/ and unironically

Origen got fucked pretty bad senpai.

>>7590755

I've taken to doing this more regularly outside of /r9k/, and when discussing more serious subjects. We all have a clear idea of what the words are supposed to suggest in our own dialect, after all.

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>>7590768

>Implying a shut-in loser can know anything about literature

>Inb4 you try and compare yourself to renowned shut-ins

Best: Hemingway
>full of adventure, partying, manly escapades. Gets to live in interesting locales, hobnob with elites, bang attractive women, and generally live it up. Reach fame and glory and become an American hero
>fight in wars and other shit and come out relatively unscathed, be based socialist
>spend final years pimping it out in Cuba
Sure his last years were painful and debilitating from all the drinking but still had a good run

Worst: Kafka

>live with parents well into 40s
>work the same shitty job at insurance office, repetitive and dull
>Crippling anxiety and autism
>possible perma-virgin/closet case
>die of tuberculosis at a relatively young age, with his work unknown and unappreciated

>>7590776
>implying the DENNIS system is better

Sure is reddit in here

>>7590776

It's cute that you have to infer that your me-strawman, who in your thing doesn't do anything else anyway (and corresponds to male shut-ins generally), couldn't possibly be spending a lot of free time reading.

>>7590797

To truly understand literature you have to do more than read.

>>7586333
He could've always enacted the philosophies he's written.

>>7590793
>socialism
>based
Wew lad...

Wittgenstein had the best

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>>7590734
oh god i had to do it.
read Dying Grass it's his best book ever

>>7589163
probably, but you'd better move to a different city and buy a few poodles. maybe identify a much more famous academic rival who irks the shit out of you and push a woman down the stairs or something

>>7587880
Not hard to push out literature when you are literally a NEET anyway.

>>7586104
william burroughs had a perfectly fine life

>>7590793
>Kafka
>possible perma-virgin/closet case

He was a ratified womanizer. Fucker pulled all the bitches he pleased.

>>7590877

Schopenhauer had a doctorate you fucking autist

>>7590923

Too bad his books were shit

Sylvia Plath had a pretty depressing life.

>>7590826

>knows he's been called out on his NEETs-and-pals-can't-into-literature bullshit
>is reduced to a w-well o-oh yeah well guess what banality

Unqualified victory is sweet.

>>7586104
Best: Camus
Worst: Hobbes

>>7589130

First part of his life he was an aristocrat, spent his family's money, slayed qts, gambled, fought in wars, etc. Second part of his life he spent in artistic enrapture, writing masterpieces, taking breaks to stroll around his estate. third part in a spiritual struggle that ended with him deeply believing he found the truth. he fathered a gaggle of children, could be moved to tears by flowers, peasants, hearing music, reading.

fully lived life and died at peace

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>Best
Lao-tzu

>Worst
Lao-tzu

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What about the histories of this guy having the worst life ever?

>>7591437
He wet through a bout of severe depression in his old age. So much so that he feared he would kill himself if he brought rope with him into the woods. He probably had incredible highs and devastating lows.

>>7587287
Dostoevsky had a very rough go, although I get the sense that he sort of thrived out on the edge. I am not certain...

>>7591691
I think he had his son die on him as well - why the epilogue of Karamazov is brutal.

>>7590738
he was poor as fuck for a long time though, dressed in hand me downs from friends and illegally ate in student cafeteria as a 40 year old. and then there was the insomnia and the despair.

>>7589590
>>7589130

What a life.

My professor maintains his land and estate were of extreme personal importance and ultimately the cause of his death. A dispute with his wife regarding who received the rights to his work (his family or Russia) caused him to flee his home permanently late in life. He died shortly after, possibly because he was forced to part with the place he knew so well, where he grew up and grew old.

>>7591755

After having having spent time with the aphorisms, had I known of Cioran's insomnia, I would have recommended drink.

>>7591780
He drank heavily for a while and went to literary events and dinners for the whisky, he said.

Didn't seem to help apparently. He also used to bike through France all day and then sleep in the roadside fields to deal with his insomnia.

Interesting lad to be honest.

>>7586371
I thought it was his father who believed that, not him?

However he did break off his engagement because he believed he wouldn't be a good husbando because of his melancholy.

>>7590852

He doesn't mean SJWism, he means legitimate Spanish Civil War capitalist crushing, fascist killing, sleepin' with mujeres libres socialism

>>7591804
you forgot dying in bullfighting rings or been exiled in México

>>7586357

Russell was married four times, and three of his kids has schizophrenia.

>>7591859
he was just a smug cunty comfortable academic though

>>7586104
Worst : Zola had it hard

Best : Byron. Byron, Byron, Byron.

>>7592581
zola was fat

>>7592622
He was, and went back to a normal weight.

>>7591555
>>7590601
That's what I was thinking: his life was absolutely tragic.

>>7586104
Worst: Descartes
Best: R. L. Stine

>>7594099
>Worst: Descartes
he had royal bitches all over him

best: Whitman

>>7587880
His life wasn't that bad, he was just bitter about petty bullshit.

wittgenstein had four brothers, three of them killed themselves, and at one point he hated his life so intensely that he appealed to the soviet union to work in a shitty factory in belarus or whatever but they told him he'd still have to teach so he declined

>>7594189
he also came from a family wealthier than the Rothschilds, but yeah, that and the shit he saw in both wars.

Would you class Proust's life as good or bad? He was a much-beloved socialite in Paris in his 20s, fucking men and women all over the shop.
Then in his later years, he was overcome with such terrible alleriges, that he shut himself up in his bedroom for years to escape atmospheric pollen. He allegedly wrote most of À la Recherche du Temps Perdu in bed.

>>7594196
and being a closet fag autist clinical depressive

>>7594203
can't really call a life good when you masturbate to whores stabbing rats to death with needles and getting fucked up the ass by a big guy who is insulting a picture of your mother to be quite honest famille

>>7590755
Calling something an Alpha City isn't an r9k thing. That's an actual category of city with global importance as opposed to an Alpha-plus city with unmatched global importance in all industries or a beta city with mostly continental importance.

>>7594223

were you there?

>>7594242
he must've been. how else would he know all those details

>>7586305

in that case I have it worse, I have negative v because I was a caesarean birth

>>7586228
wow thats deep dude!

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>lived much of his life with crippling stomach pain and vomiting, had to lay in bed for days
>had to knock himself out to sleep
>many of his relatives were female and annoying as fuck
>got rejected by his love
>idol and friend turned into a shitty anti-semitic and nationalist
>lonely as fuck
>went insane

>>7594242
>something i don't like so i'm going with 'can we ever really know anything?'

:^)

>>7594323
>>lived much of his life with crippling stomach pain and vomiting, had to lay in bed for days
Because he was a fruitarian.

>>7592581
>Best : Byron. Byron, Byron, Byron.

This by far. Byron probably lived one of the best lives in history.

>>7594323
>many of his relatives were female and annoying as fuck


I experience this situation and let me tell you it's the worst one.

>>7590755
>ragging on 'comfy'
come on man

>>7594453
kek

>>7586357
>worst: mainlander
this

>>7594323
>have your work changed and faked after your death by your shitty Nazi sister because she wanted to impress her husband so they could find money to start an Aryan colony in South America

the shittiest life

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>white boys had hard lives

>>7594323
>shitty anti-semitic and nationalist
What's 'shitty' about that, reddit?
>>7594939
Leave.

>>7586104
Jesus Christ

>>7594939
>writer/philosopher

>>7594943
personally I find nationalism more disgusting than antisemitism

>>7594946
There are literally thousands of coloured writers and philosophers.

>>7594943
Hi, /pol/ =)

>>7594949
What do you find disgusting? The pride? The strength? The community? The bonding?

>>7594956
yeah, exactly all that, how can you believe in so many spooks? you are disgusting, that you were born inside of a country doesn't actually mean shit, it's all made up you communist cuck

>>7594943
Maybe read Nieztche's The Case of Wagner and find out and also come up with a better insult in the mean time, dipshit.

The entire Brönte family.

>>7586104
That there hasn't been mention of Marquis de Sade is surprising. The poor man spent three or four DECADES in prison for having a few fetishes that would be considered normal by today's standards. The woman who wrote fifty shades did so with despicable vulgarity while Sade depicted gruesome acts in such a way that they still held an esthetic quality, but she is applauded and praised while he was imprisoned. I believe this man had the worst life of any writer.

>>7594966
I'd argue American nationalism is respectable. America fought for her independence and fought against the oppression of the British government. Many other nations don't have that rich history and don't have what it stands for (the Declaration of Independence).

Ancient Roman nationalism was the best.

>>7594983
hahahahahahaha

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>>7594986
>Yuropoor detected
Sven or Heinrich, don't you have Muslim cock to be sucking?

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No one posted based Milton.
What the fuck?

He literally went blind for fucks sake. He wrote paradise lost while fucking blind and living in poverty.

Also, Nieztche because pic related

Diogenes

He lived on the street and survived by begging for food...

Kant died a virgin. nuf said

>>7594998
Borges spent a lot of his life blind, and writing, too.

>>7594999
Diogenes chose to live that lifestyle, man. He fucking loved it.

Alexander wanted to suck his cock, he could have easy lived a patrician-tier life.

>>7595000
So did Tesla and Da Vinci apparently, I guess they were too busy with their work and trying to ensure a great legacy than to care about bitches which is kind of a trivial thing when you think about.

Despite not passing on their genes, they attained immortality through their work

>>7595004
>Diogenes chose to live that lifestyle, man. He fucking loved it.
Yeah, I know. Despite him ''loving it'' no one loves surviving on handouts and sleeping in the cold. I guess it worked for him and he had to do it because well, he was Diogenes. No doubt he still had a hard life, he could have had it all but chose not to for the sake of his philosophy...which is hard in itself.

>>7594998
Luiz De Camoes had it even worse. He went blind in his right eye after getting attacked in a battle with the Moors.

>>7595000
Schopenhauer got laid with many women he didn't care for. Which is worse?

>>7595006
True true and true

>>7595015
I meant it as a joke, i feel like Kant had a beautiful life from his perspective. According to his view on morality sex was a way of using someones body for pleasure, thus immoral. And, from his perspective he found love in a woman, and he expressed that love through many years of correspondance. Therefor, i feel like Kant is one of the most romantic philosophers to date without ever sleeping with someone.

>Ctrl+f Nietzsche
>nothing

Seriously the guy sufferred from constant headaches and stomach pain didn't he? then he got syphilis despite probably being a virgin and went insane?

>>7595054
>7595054
Oh yeah then when he was vegetative his works were twisted by his sister to support an ideology he despised.

>>7595054
>Nietzsche
He's been mentioned atleast three times in this thread. What the fuck are you on, bruh?

>>7595054
>too lazy to read the thread

>>7595056
>>7595057
I won't deny it, my bad, but i honestly did try to ctrl f and it didn't work. Anyways ya, what those guys said.

>>7594986
>>7594983
>>7594996
>>>/int/

>>7594978
best or worst?

>>7590840
What the fuck?

>>7594950
Not him, but name several "coloured" philosophers.

P.S. as far as advancing your self-righteous cause, you already shot yourself in the foot with word choice.

>>7594986
>hahahahaha

It's the perfect argument.

>>7595034
Great post

>>7590863
Yeah the poodles seem essential, I will definitely do that

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>>7595518
literally anyone with a pen can be a philosopher or writer. Does not make them valuable though, we tend to see a reoccurring theme with all writers, but I'm sure I don't have to point it out

>>7590738
Cool info. Thanks, anon.

Where does one begin with Cioran then? Any pre-reading required?

>>7586104
Poe. By far. I mean by leaps and bounds.

>>7594221
Poor Wittgenstein that didn't have a burly bf that could put him in a hug-harness and gently pie him.

>>7596095
One (or more) failed suicide attempt(s) could be sufficient

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>>7594323

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>>7587753
>Kafka
No. Kafka was just a massive bitch. I love his writing, don't get me wrong. But Kafka had a great life.
He fucked bitches left and right, then shot them the fuck down. Brod and Kafka caroused trough Prague, fucking waitresses and wasting their paychecks. Kafka had a decent job, went on vacation and had literary success. He published most of his short stories and his novella 'das Urteil' (The judgement) as well as /lit/'s favourite, the metamorphosis while he was still alive. He was well known in literary circles and appreciated by Bohemian readers. Of course this is in no way comparable to his posthumous fame but certainly better than most.
Kafka had major depression for no reason and some daddy issue, also completely unjustified. His life was great by objective standards.
He died an untimely death though.

>>7590793
Hemingway suffered from depression his entire life and knew there was a strong family history of suicide.
He was an underage ambulance boy during WWI. It is well documented that all sides were woefully unprepared for the wounds machine guns and mortars would cause. In A Farewell to Arms he does not glorify the war, he tells about how there are just normal humans there getting blown apart.

Not that he didn't receive a lot of fame and fortune in his lifetime but to say that just because he lived through all his ordeals doesn't make him lucky. I imagine that's why he committed suicide.

>>7590709

What? He married his first cousin, a Wedgeworth.

>>7586104
Maximus the Confessor probably had one of the worst.