Anyone here ever work at a B&N? I would like to give it a shot. Apparently management is shitty at a lot of them and they're very understaffed and a lot of workers on the floor end up in the cafe most of the time. Plus aren't a lot of locations folding?
Yeah, I imagine working at a book store would 80% be selling YA to adults who swear it's for their kids, and 10% cleaning bodily fluids off books, and 10% listening to some hipster faggot talk to you for a half hour about what kind of tea he likes, then not buying anything.
I work at Foyles in London. >No I'm not giving you fags a discount
This >>7582067 is hyperbole, of course, but there's a kernel of truth to it. We sell a depressing amount of depressingly bad books. We have most big /lit/-approved literature on the racks because it's been on those racks for a couple of months without anybody buying 'em. Not a lot of hipsters, though, and we have cameras everywhere so people aren't literally cumming all over Pynchon's dank prose, thankfully.
If anyone has other questions, I'll be around for a while.
>>7582306 Nah, we have security for that. Sometimes there are loonies wandering around on ground floor, but they never seem to realise they can climb the stairs and I usually work on the 2nd floor or up, so I'm fine.
>>7582291 What are some of the tasks you find yourself doing throughout the week? I imagine you have to be pretty versatile. How do you feel about your coworkers and the management there? Were you a bit nervous when you started?
>>7582419 The thing you have to keep in mind is that it's still pretty much like any retail shop out there, but with books instead of with clothes or whatever. We fill racks, we take books back to where they're supposed to be (fucking customers always leave books like two floors away from where they found them), we recommend books to interested customers (a rarity, but it happens), we answer idiotic complaints, >What do you mean I can't change a second-hand book I just bought in Camden for store credit? Is this a book shop or what? we man the register, we take stock, we haul boxes, etc etc.
I wasn't nervous when I started, but I was pretty stoked to be working in a shop I went to a lot when I studied. That has passed. I get money for doing stuff. Getting to pick a couple of books for staff recommendations was cool, though. >Ulysses, Gravity's Rainbow, Infinite Jest, the Bible and Lolita, of course >Not really though
Everyone who works here is passionate about books, but that includes the girls manning (kek) the esoterics or the cooking section. The literary fiction, foreign language, philosophy and history guys are cool to hang around with, and combined they have read every book I could think of. There are also a couple of QTs staffing the cafe but they don't give a shit about books. Management are cool, but they're in it to make money, obviously. They care a lot about stocking books people otherwise wouldn't be able to find elsewhere (e.g. we carry a lot of philosophy) and so at the end of the day we have storerooms full of meme books such as the 50 Shades and the Martian. Nobel season is pretty funny because it's always a hustle to get the winner's books in store/reprinted/translated+published (who the fuck was Svetlana Alexievich anyway).
>>7582368 We got cameras and people watching 'em, family. And for once wiki is right: >According to Rosenbaum, "[I]f you look at who's actually doing the shoplifting, they're not really down-and-out, lower-depths types but like to pose as being down and out, and shoplifting is part of the aura." Constant wrote, "[F]iction that young white men read, and self-satisfied young white men, the kind who love to stick it to the man, are the majority of book shoplifters." Bukowski, Kerouac, Thompson, that kind of shit gets stolen all the time. Women-books much more rarely so.
>>7582528 Yeah, from my experience it's usually younger white, respectable looking men who do most of the stealing. Blacks don't steal a lot, mainly because they know everybody is watching them the second they go in the store.
If you see a white guy, <25, decent clothes, not shady looking at all, he's probably stealing something.
>>7582067 >selling YA to adults who swear it's for their kids Most adults these days proudly read and talk about YA. It's not shameful or something just because a handful of nerds on a chinese imageboard scoff at them.
>>7582706 Yes. I often hear the same. Men have no qualms about telling others how uneducated and pleb they are. Women read YA and then act as if they are reading patrician literature. For the general populace it seems that way.
>>7581818 Yep, I feel you bruh, I'm not really a sperg but I have no experience and I'm 20 which is fucking shameful and it makes it hard to find a decent job, can't even do hard manual labor due to back problems.
dude, snap out of it. Problem: you want a job but can't seem to get hired due to lack of work experience. Solution: apply for a waiting or food running job at a restaurant. Lie about your work history and say you worked for one year at X. Put down a friend's number with same area code as your manager and inform friend (pick someone who can pull this off obviously).
In the interview when they ask you why you quit X say you enjoyed the job but had to leave to help your parents around at the house because your mom got sick but she's better now and, rather than go back to X you thought you might put yourself out there and try something new.
All of this is a lot easier if you have a friend who already works at the place you're applying. Most entry level jobs won't check your work history.
There are definitely ways to fix this situation your in.
>>7581780 I work at an independent new-book bookstore in Berkeley CA.
It is by far the comfiest job I have had but sadly it isnt that close to campus and we are new, not used, so not too many young people come by. I mainly sell books to old white women, which means whatever book NPR told them to buy or an adult coloring book.
>>7583900 I moved here in August and was walking around with my roommates on the 3rd or 4th day here. We passed by the bookstore, wondered if they were hiring, called and they said yes they were hiring.
I'd say the main reason I got hired was because I showed my now-manager that I was passionate about Joyce's Dubliner, meaning I could make a sale on something that normally isn't sold.
And yes Dubliners is currently selling very well here.
Pro-tip is literally apply everywhere asap. I did 12 applications in one day and they were the first to get back in touch with me so I went with it.
>>7582343 ACTUALLY It's pretty interesting, and jobs can be god-tier if you are lucky. Basically is a degree about handling and organizing information. You could even end up working for the NSA AFAIK, since you are also expected to have IT classes.
>>7582291 >Foyles in London That place annoys me. OK, handy location, huge selection, but whenever I've been in I've seen no sales on at all. What's the point in that? Who in their right mind pays full price for books?
>>7582564 >>7585358 Foylesfag is back. I think the recent move cost the shop more than management wants to let on. And if you can afford London, you can afford our books (i.e. pay my wage, pretty please).
>>7585531 http://careers.foyles.co.uk/Foyles/Vacancies/VacancyDetails.asp?VacancyID=188 Three days to apply, anon.
I worked at a chain book store. It was not comfy. I did not talk to people about books. I had to sell them club cards. Every person who walked in I had to sell club cards like an automaton. Meanwhile, my coworker would leave every night with a trashbag of stolen books. I visited his apartment and he had created furniture out of the spoils.
I work at a small used book store downtown where I live. I can't imagine I'll ever actually leave this job. It's extra cozy, nice comfy chairs, smells like old books and we have good coffee and tea too. Guy who owns the place has enough money to not care about making a profit, just likes having the place for people in the city to go and hang out in, so doubt the place will ever need to shut down, at least not anytime soon. Dream job achieved.
Try rgis guys, I was just hired there. It seems like they'll give anybody a job with half a brain and the pay seems okay, 9 dollars an hour to start and could increase if you do okay. It is inventory taking.
>>7585856 Anything that's too battered goes in a free box or is super discounted. If there's anything that looks interesting to me in the free box I'll take it home. I get a discount on the books in general, but honestly it's so cheap I don't mind giving back to the shop.
Libraryfag here. You need a degree to "technically" be referred to as a librarian, and that degree does not really make you more qualified to find/sort/shelve/order books, it's more about managerial things, business things, the actual running of the library as any other cookie-cutter government institution.
I don't have my degree and I am still doing what you imagine a "librarian" does: answer reference questions, find materials for customers, etc. You can get pretty high up the ladder, into the 60-80k range (CDN, sorry) without a degree.
that said, no matter what your experience or education, all libraries are basically turning into glorified IT departments for seniors who got a Kobo from their kids for Christmas. It's not about sitting among musty old books and engaging in interesting research questions; it's about arguing over late fines with customers and showing them how to log into their email.
>>7586186 The guy who was working the register in the music section was cool but this black guy upstairs was a real dick. You know those employees who act contemptuous toward you because you're making them do their job? It was like that.
>>7586162 I imagine most people who get a masters in the field want to be academic librarians working at a university library or something like that. That's what I would prefer over a public library anyway.
>>7586251 yup. every time I cant find a book I hate going to an employee for help because they have the worst attitude.
>go to costumer support section >hi can you help me find this dual language book? >ugh well did you try the language section? >i did but could not find it. it was listed as in stock in this store on the website >Ill take a look >lady has a terrible limp like something crawled up her ass >most likely a disability >takes years to get to the book >doesnt find it
they will hire anyone. they are always understaffed. there is sometimes a decripit old lady that takes 10 minutes a costumer at the register.
>>7584314 Know the community first. I live in a small, old ppl town and got to watch our local bookstore die a slow, painful death (by the end it was half toy store). It finally died after the owner did (cancer) December. Meanwhile we have 3 antique stores, 2 "art" galleries, and a funeral home for when you die of boredom. There's a bar but I don't go (plebs). So know your market
Turns out it actually was my coworker reporting me for disagreeing with him about feminism. He actually went behind my back and reported me, after we sorted everything out and had normal conversation for days. I even offered him a doughnut the next day.
We disagreed mildly on some shit, I tried to recommend him a mainstream feminist book that backed my stance, he VERBATIM said "I get most of my feminism culturally from Twitter," then accused me of a "microaggression." I told him "that is not a thing," and he said that I had better be careful what I say, that you can get in big trouble for saying that kind of thing. I told him he was on a university campus and that free speech and exposure to different ideas is important, and he said "free speech doesn't exist." I asked him if he liked Chomsky (who has a good essay on defending free speech even when it's offensive), and he said no. I asked him if he liked John Stuart Mill, who also has a good essay, and he said "let me guess, dead white guy, right?" Then he went and reported me behind my back AFTER some tension-defusing banter about agreeing to disagree.
This is a 30 year old, seventh-year literature PhD student, at a pretty good university. He also says "couldn't of" instead of "couldn't have."
>>7586708 What a fucking joke. I don't know how you kept cool, hope your boss is on your side. How can a 30 year old suffer that mentality? What a cuck. So butthurt he actually reported you? What did he say? "Anon shares a different point of view, please fire him immediately"?
>>7586772 >>7586811 I lost my cool a bit, e.g. one time telling him that he should read more books on this stuff instead of getting his info from Twitter. It mostly makes me sad that a grown-ass man needs to solve his problems by tattling.
The ideological closed-mindedness is really common here though. The MO from most students is to shut people up pretty quickly when they disagree, not really to argue with them. Just get them to stop talking, or somehow get their event shut down. He was very similar, just interrupt and distract, very condescending. If you want to keep your cool around them, you just need to remember that there is no way they are ever going to let you finish a sentence.
>>7586820 I'm not making any of those quotes up at all. Even the "microaggression" part.
He also said he "doesn't believe in physical protesting, but you better believe I would have been giving them hell on Twitter" when I asked about whether he was at some protest to shut down an MRA thing, based on his views.
Also when I explained Stalinist self-censorship to him, using the words "Stalinist" and "totalitarian," he said "well, maybe that's what the world needs right now."
I got my first job the summer after I graduated, at a huge thrift store. Seems thrift stores are almost always looking for jobs, so I got the job right away without a resume. They had 4 different departments and put me in the one they thought I'd fit best in. I met some really cool people there. Mostly black and latino but they really didn't exclude you for being different. There were actually more middle aged workers than teens. Also, I somehow got paid a dollar more than my coworkers because during the interview I misremembered the state min wage rate and my manager agreed to pay me that much, so I figure the older workers get paid a living wage. Thrift stores seem to help people in that way and more. Still, it wad hard work but at least it's not bullshit like mcdonalds or staples. I had hectic, crazy days, but sometimes they were my favorite days because of the teamwork required. And I'm a fucking sperg. Other days were extremely slow and had to be constantly doing something or our manager would get on our backs. Overall, it seemed better than the shit my peers were doing and I didn't feel like I was contributing as much to the steaming shit that most companies produce.
My 2nd job was at a mom-and-pop drum store. I had to move states after 3 months at the thrift store because my parents were finally divorcing. I found the drum shop job through craigslist and they hired me as soon as the first interview was over. It was cool until about month 8 when the owner's rent got jacked up and we were forced to move to a smaller place in a seedy town that literally smelled of garbage because the local dump was so close. Went downhill from there. Used my upcoming semester at a community college to cop out on good terms.
4 months later, I applied to Goodwill. Hired me right away.
>>7582706 I was a cashier at Walmart when 50 Shades was huge, and about 4 to 8 women a day were buying this books in my line. One chick from High School told me, "omg, I've never read a single book in my life but just love this one" (in summary, that is).
>>7583867 Except HS was over when you were 18. Yes, you don't need to work in HS. But that was six years ago anon, more than HALF A DECADE. Children who were born on the day of your graduation are now themselves starting first grade. You had six years to find a job after high school until now. You're just a lazy fuck. Stop blaming your parents for everything. You fucked up when you didn't start working after HS.
>>7590010 >Putting my real name on the 4chinz I'm not doing that, mate.
>>7590215 >>7590578 This. Not looking like a hobo or someone who spends 100+ hours/week on the internet is a plus. Of course, being passionate about literature helps, as long as you don't overdo it during the interview.
>>7584294 damn i feel kind of sperg at times but god compared to u cluetards im like full normie...
just fucking ask your friends to get you a job where ever they work, duh! those kind of low level jobs love to hire a group of friends so you can cover each others shifts and know when someone is bullshitting or really needs to miss work etc. when i was a teen that's how i got all my jobs...i think i got like one or two jobs from filling out an application, most of the rest were referral from a friend...of course there were a lot less mexicans around back then, these days all those jobs are not going to go to american citizens be they white or black, but still you friend got a job somewhere somehow, so now that he's in the door have him hook you up
>>7592379 most thrift stores only hire ex-cons or recovering addicts in urban areas, they probably get some kind of tax break or grant for it, and they sure ain't making much selling used t-shirts for 2 bucks
>>7593642 if ur in nyc go volunteer at revolution books in harlem, they're always looking for useful bourgeois idiots to serve the international proletarian cause, i'm sure they'd give ya some hours and then with a bit of hard work and spunk you can leverage that work experience and land a job at the barnes and noble at union square and start clockin the big bucks like 10 bucks an hour n shit BAAALLLLLLIN
>>7583867 most rich/successful people don't have their kids work in high school. the question is why didn't you go to college afterward. go to college and study something useful, or try to get into a trade apprenticeship.
>>7594186 u could easily get a job working on political campaigns or on public policy, or get a job at a marketing firm and work on how to sell shit to women or whatever, there are a million ways you could use that, but since you couldn't think of any of that yourself, your main problem is that you are a stupid, in which case just do engineering, even a retard can figure out what to do with that kind of degree
>>7594176 That is correct. Many large companies looking for people to train in "their ways" look for people who have a Bachelors in anything because these people are proven learners. They'll get a year of training at the job anyway.
>>7594186 if you have a literature degree like this guy why don't you start a hedge fund like him? he's worth somewhere between 1.5 and 2 billion dollars which ranks him well into the top 1000 richest people on earth, but then again he had to leave his mom's basement to do that so i don't know if u have what it takes to follow his blueprint brah
you just didn't spend enough time memorizing boring shit, jokes on u tho cuz in an english degree ur gonna have to read boring shit like victorian and russian novels that will have u wishing u were staring at a sheet of differential equation formulas all night instead
1. Who the fuck is that? 2. I think it would take quite a bit of capital to start a hedge fund, not to mention extensive business knowledge (certainly not impossible, though I imagine he had friends or relatives already in the game)
>>7593781 >walk into the store/library. (my library doesn't have magnetic strips or anything) >have a big coat on with big pocket on the inside >check out couple of books like a proper citizen would >have the book you want to lift in your jacket pocket >if ever called out about it just say oh i had so many books in my hands that I must have slipped it there at some point and forgot it when I checked out.
>>7594267 >>7594269 In my whole life I've stolen just one book. I was living in Japan, I was young and ignorant. I lived in a small town with a quite good public library for Japanese people but the selection of books in English however was somewhat lacking as you could expect of Japan. Oh well I still could find quite many interesting books there. Then there was this book that I absolutely fell in love with, it's called The tomb of wild chrysanthemum. Before I left this country I searched for it everywhere in stores and online but I couldn't find it anywhere so I resorted to stealing it. I'm not proud of it but I just couldn't leave it there to collect any more dust on the shelves that no one else ever browsed and also I wanted my GF back in my own country to read it when I went back, not just her but I wanted a lot of people to read it. I love the book more than any other and I must have read it at least six times and will read it many more before I die. I'm not proud of what I did but I have zero regrets about it either.
>>7594366 Yeah I could find it on Amazon too but Amazon had only Japanese versions of it and while my spoken Japanese is fine reading is hard especially since it's quite an old book and the language is old too.
The story is set in a small village in Meiji era Japan. Boy from a prosperous family falls in love with a girl that his family got as a helper around the house. They were friends before she could be considered a servant. When they were teens the kids from the neighboring prosperous families started teasing them and telling them that nothing could ever come out of their relationship even though their love seemed purely platonic at that point. After that it developed and that boys family had a bit of qualm about it. The girl got sent away back to her family. To this point it's pretty easy to guess what's happening next so unless you want me to spoil the ending I'll just stop here.
>>7594356 If you truly mean that I must say that I'm very grateful for your kind words. English is not my first language and I'm trying to improve. Also the poet part is much appreciated since writing is something I enjoy a lot.
>>7593781 I'm that anon. I have been thinking of just building a cheap PC just for pirating books but I'm not sure if I can complete our rent and pay Internet with it or get my neighbor to let me use his Internet for that purpose. Buying a cheap smartphone and using my Uni's wi-fi is another option.
There are only those two bookstores and a bunch of poor resellers of used books, but their selection is really poor, I very rarely find anything worth buying that doesn't fall apart on my hands.
I think I'm going to just to take a second job near my local library so I don't have to take 1 hour of bus when wanting to drop by.
>>7594431 Thank you. My teachers always said that there was something peculiar that they didn't like in my writing so I never got any compliments on my writing back in school. You and one other person that I lately became acquainted have complimented me on my writing and I'm truly happy about it. For that post I didn't even try to really do anything impressive, I just let my passion for the book flow. It really means a lot to me, thank you anon.
>>7594592 That is correct - both epub and mobi are HTML files in a special directory structure inside a ZIP file, so they are relatively easy to convert into each other (both have some unique features which don't convert, but are rarely used)
PDF, on the other hand, is a fixed file format, where the converters have to guess the letters and their order, sometimes it works perfectly (like with a PDF that has been converted from a text-file, where you can select the text), often it's terrible (especially when you have some special format like a text-box inside the text, like you have with university non-fiction, where often the text is non-selectable so the converter has to guess the letters)
>>7593712 It's so weird. Today, I got an huge book of Plato for $11 but there was a small book of Pablo Neruda for 14. The Pablo Neruda was FAR smaller and had barely anything compared to the Plato book. Weird how they price them.
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