How do you guys give your characters motivations? This is something

...give them complex motivations? Multiple things? As a most basic example; wanting to be good people but also struggling to provide for their family when legal means aren't enough? This isn't complicated.

>ask yourself what your character wants
>ask yourself what your character fears
Ta-da

>wants to write literature with characters
>apparently has difficulty understanding a fundamental part of the human condition
Huh?

>>7581734

all motivations are trite. Power, sex, safety.

Every scene is a fight, a negotiation, a seduction, or a combination thereof.

What's hamlet about? Young prince struggling with his consciense after his uncle murders his father. Pretty simple, pretty straightforward. Trite? Don't disservice yourself by thinking of it in those terms.

Humbert Humbert's motivation? Sex. Jerry Lundegaard? Money.

Simple motivations can make for great stories. Quit making excuses for yourself.

>>7581734
Just write. Nothing's wrong with being trite at first.

>>7583806
>all motivations are trite.

Is that really the case?

Then congratulations, you aren't a hack screenwriter, you're an uber experimental novelist.

Maybe you should find the motivation first and then find a character to enact it. Are you starting your story by coming up with a bunch of characters, giving them motivations and styles, then coming up with a story they would all work well in? I feel like that's probably the cart driving the horse. Without a specific plot or at least some idea of story the characters will just stand around being themselves. Then you've got a character book without any real substance. Make sure those people have something to do before you conjure them up.

>>7581734
Trite and profound are often confused, and I have trouble understanding why. It's deeply profound, I think, to have a deeply self-contradictory character whose base motivation is, at the end of the day, raw power.

>>7581734
I think boredom is a good one, though it depends on your story.

But does one always need a motivation to do something?

>>7585052
>Then you've got a character book without any real substance.

Hey fuck you. Don't tell me you're not fed up with a character that has a seemingly impossible goal to strive towards. 2016: story is stupid. I said it.

Lots of /lit/s darling books don't have a story.

If you have a good story, motivations should be natural. The story itself is sort of just the physical manifestation of your characters motivations, after all.

If you're writing, "Uh....it's a story about a young guy who is uh...kind of unsure in life and he spends a lot of time at a coffee shop/book store thinking about philosophy," Then yeah, no shit it's hard to find a motivation in that.

>>7585074
>Lots of /lit/s darling books don't have a story.

Like?

All of my characters want to go to Koshien

>>7585089
No Longer Human
Journey to end of night
Post Office
Streets of Crocodiles (an old one)

Off top of my head. I'll concede you could find mini stories, episodes in these but to say they're each one big story in the traditional sense would be incorrect.

>>7585119
Ok, except, those all have storeis. Post office especially.

Things happen in those stories, characters are moving from one place to the next with at least a sort of purpose. Maybe it doesn't meet your faggot, aspie version of a story, but you're wrong.

>>7585124
That's what I said minus the 'sort of purpose' and me being a faggot and wrong.

Book of Disquiet is another one

Perhaps it is you who is the faggot

>>7585074
yeah, some books are just character studies, which is fine, but I think they wear out pretty fast if the character isn't evolving...in which case the evolution of the character would be the story...but usually there is some force moving them to change. blah blah.