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"Crippled America" by Donald Trump- is it the new "Mein Kampf"?
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>>7572760
badly written ramblings?
Probably.
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maybe, mein kampf is just a demagogue's unremarkable book, but trump strikes me as more marketing savvy.
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>>7572766
>>7572786
What's wrong with Hitler?
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>>7572760
I argue the hitler cared for his own people more than trump ever did
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>>7572806
Hitler was evil, but agreed. He actually did things he thought was right for the german people. Trump is a fucking idiot
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>>7572882
>good guys always win
>stalin
>good guy

well meme'd comrade
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>>7572835
>Militant nationalists don't have anything in common with Fascists
He's a fascist by Mussolini's definition, but in fairness you could say that about a lot of western politicians
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>>7572888
i do say that about a lot of western politicans tbqh
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>>7572760
EVERYONE SAGE AND REPORT
MODS POZ DON'T LET THIS GET TO ANOTHER 325 REPLY THREAD FULL OF /POL/ SHITPOSTING ABOUT TRUMP.
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>>7573148
>HURRR YOU CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT POLITICS IF YOU AGREE WITH ME
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>>7572882
We're not the good guys
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Trump really isn't anything like Hitler. A better comparison would be to Silvio Berlusconi.
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>>7573186
No you can only takk about politics in pol read the fucking sticky. It's in the fucking global rules.
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>>7573236
It says keep /pol/ in /pol/.

Guess what newfriend, /pol/ doesn't stand for politics. It means keep jew paranoia out of other boards. How fucking dumb can you be to think we can only discuss politics on /pol/, especially when this is a political book.
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>>7573298
>newfriend
>here since 08
>calling me new
>nitpicking what parts of the rules he will follow

I hope Hiro assigns a mod to /lit/, since we are no longer that "small traffic board " as moot used to say.
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>>7573351
Either put those /lit/ skills to use and read the rules or stop talking to me, loser.

Pic related, it's what you'd get if you ever met me irl.
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>>7573384
Why would I fist bump you?

>I'll call him loser like I do in school andand he run away with his tail tucked between his legs
>got to do damage control before anons listen and report my shitposting thread
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>>7572835
How is Trump the most liberal? Sincerely asking as someone from Britain.
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No and he's not a fascist, he's just stupid
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>>7572835
>>7573557
He's in some ways a populist aligned with the left on issues like infrastructure spending and (supposedly, but probably not in reality) higher taxes on the financial sector
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>>7573351
>2008
Fuck off, newfag
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Welcome to /pol/ 2.0, where it's edgy teenagers pushing the vote4trump meme against a butthurt reddit contingent trying to shill the left
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>>7572760
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/r/eddit
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It's kind of like reading one of his rally speeches but with that formalness that people sometimes use when they write books + a little more policy coverage and without the performance antics of being in front of a crowd.

It's very personal in a way and that's probably why people compare it to Mein Kampf. It has that same charm.
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>>7574813

Basically, he is economically the most 'left' of the Republican candidates. Rand Paul is the most 'left' in terms of civil rights. Everyone else in the running is basically a warmed over neocon.
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>>7572882
>Good guys always win.
>Spanish revolution
>Even Hitler though Franco was fucking insane

Haven't read Hemingway?
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>>7575201
Shit man ever heard of sarcasm
baka
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>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature. If you want to talk about politics, go to /pol/.

How fucking hard is it to understand?
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>>7575270
Report the thread. Stop talking, and bumping their threads.

Just sage, hide and report.
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I hope so, I'd like to get myself a free, mandatory copy when Trump becomes Emperor of America.
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>>7572882
You know what they say, history is written by the victors.
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There's hardly enough talk of killing Jews for it be on the level of Mein Kampf.
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>>7575321
Don't be stupid.
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Crippled America has like 200 pages and is written by a billionaire compared to the 700+ pages written by a man in a prison cell who truly wanted to save his country.
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In what way are the books even similar?
Being printed on paper?

Maga btw, coming form a Frenchman.
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>>7575327
He really needed an editor to tighten that rambling shit up.
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>>7572766
Except you can actually make comparisons between Hitler and Trumps beliefs
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>>7575757
I don't know what this is but I'm checking it anyway
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>>7575131
>that's probably why people compare it to Mein Kampf
No, the reason people compare the two is more probably the fact that they've been indoctrinated with the idea that Trump is somehow a fascist on par with Hitler, and therefore the book on his proposed policies must be comparable to Mein Kampf. Both ideas are completely bogus, but a little framing can go a long way.
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>>7572766
This, Trump is actually Mussolini.
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>>7573384
>loser

lol is that u trump ??

what the fuck do u wanna talk about this book anyways? why should i read it?
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>>7572882
There is no such thing as a "good guy."

Why do neo-fascists get so upset about everything? You're like the SJWs of the right.
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>>7575973
>why should i read it?
Because when you're familiar with Trump's plans you can more easily see when people are lying about them. More importantly, when you inform yourself you can actually build a valid argument for or against his points instead of relying on hearsay and half-truths that litter the media.
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>>7575991

those points seem moot if you've ever read any other 'elect me' book. he's a politician - what he says and ghostwrites means jack shit. where did this notion that trump was some beacon of political ethics come from? he's saying different shit - woah? so did fucking obama. this guy's no different than any other crooner.

tell me why you believe this man will make a difference? i don't care about what he says. what can be shown to prove that he will enter the white house and miraculously galvanize this country toward whatever the fuck epoch his supporters seem to believe is so necessary?

presidential elections always bring out the blinds in people. they are idiotically overblown. in our system. no one man will be able to do half of what he claims to want to do, especially so with an either this or that party line. and what does get done will in no way be solely to his credit. of course that is who the masses will point the finger to. it's a lot easier that way than to actually analyze politics. for most people.

so tell me again why should i waste my time rehashing empty platitudes
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>>7576021
Trump supporters like him because he's rich and he'll supposedly run the country like it's a corporation, which is somehow supposed to be good for the economy or something.
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>>7576021
>those points seem moot if you've ever read any other 'elect me' book
Not if you want to discuss those points seriously. You'll have to know what you're talking about.
>where did this notion that trump was some beacon of political ethics come from?
Not from me.
>tell me why you believe this man will make a difference?
I never said I believed that.
>i don't care about what he says
Then please don't pretend you want to have a serious discussion.
>presidential elections always bring out the blinds in people
Especially obvious in people who claim a candidate is shit while simultaneously declaring they don't know anything about that candidate's points, and that they don't plan on ever finding out about them.
>so tell me again why should i waste my time rehashing empty platitudes
Do whatever you want, I don't care. But if you decide to go about political discussion like you did in this post, don't expect to ever be taken seriously.
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I'm voting for Bernie Sanders because I'm a brocialist, which is objectively the best political ideology.
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>>7576051
so you have no reason to believe trump will actually do anything different yet want to spout hypotheticals in leu of a political discussion? contrary to what trump's rhetoric may have lead you to believe, a pissing contest does not equal a serious political discussion.

you are the worst type of person to get involved in politics. to simply bark and grovel for some empty notion of proving to be what exactly? are you seeking validation through some some vicarious notion of electing a man whose beliefs you share?

trump is shit, man. politics are shit. get over it and find something else to actually care about.
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>>7576048
this is literally what the republican party platform has been for decades, so again I ask what's the difference that they see in trump?

that he speaks differently?
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>>7576048
I like him because hes anti immigration and anti Muslim

Dont speak on my behalf
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>>7572835
National SOCIALISM is a leftist ideology
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>>7576139
>serious political discussion
If only there was a place here for that.
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>>7576048
i like him because it's funny
not even american
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>>7576139
Where are you getting all this? Are you in the wrong thread?

I only said that when you are familiar with a politician's viewpoints, you have a much better basis on which to build informed opinions about them, while also being able to see through dishonest reporting. This goes for both politicians you do and do not agree with. Your personal stances are not relevant here, it's simply about informing yourself instead of only looking to get your preconceptions confirmed.

I never gave you my personal opinion on Trump to begin with, so don't pretend I did and don't try to steer our conversation toward a discussion about Trump. You are the one somehow taking this all too personally and showing your complete and willful ignorance in the process.
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>>7576197

please leave /lit/ then if you can't answer these basic ass questions that require the tiniest bit of critical thought. i countered why i shouldn't give credence to an empty politician's view.

i'm sure back at /pol/ your mindhive would have come to your rescue. sorry for it being so difficult for you here
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>>7576227
Why would I answer your questions when they don't pertain to the discussion at hand? My comments were never specifically about Trump, yet you pretend I support him and ask me questions that go off that assumption. There's no reason for me to get involved in that.

>if you can't answer these basic ass questions that require the tiniest bit of critical thought
Earlier you basically rejected critical thought in favor of 'not caring', while I was merely giving an example of how to expand your critical thinking ability (I'll say it again: read widely and become informed, it's really that simple).

>back at /pol/
You're the one making a political discussion out of this, not me. It's fine if you don't like Trump but don't project your grievances on me like I'm /lit/'s official Trump supporter that has the responsibility to answer your questions.

>sorry for it being so difficult for you here
Once again, projecting so very hard.
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>>7576059
Anti-identity politics anti-feminist socialist is indeed the best political ideology, but it's not quite Bernie Sanders. He bent over for that black lives matter shit too much. And he won't beat Hillary in the primary.

Trump is the right vote for left wingers.
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>>7572795
he killed millions of innocent people
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>>7576350
>innocent
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>>7576354
>i support the murder of millions of people, how cool am i?
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>>7576358
>people
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>>7576139
Trump has already done a lot very different
I don't think he'd be a good president (better than HRC though), but he is far from 'just another politician'
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>>7576285
do you support trump
do you go to /pol/
do you really believe reading an 'elect me' ghostwritten pamphlet designed to be readable for the lowest common denominator is a gauge of critical thought

you seem triggered af so i am of thought that you are all those.
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>>7576350
Oh yeah, forgot about taht part lol
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>>7576350

Capitalism kills millions annually and has, since the time of the second ww, killed hundreds of millions more than hitler ever killed.

Innocent, truly innocent people die all the time and continue to die in a system the national socialists were trying to escape.


Your only criticism in loss of life is that you don't like how the people died, or that you somehow think their innocent deaths are more pointless and that is somehow worse.
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>>7576350
>the nahzees had an evil plan to systematically murder millions
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>>7576392
Is it really so hard to accept that reading a politician's election program will increase your knowledge about them? It doesn't matter if you like them or if it's 'an 'elect me' ghostwritten pamphlet designed to be readable for the lowest common denominator' when it spells out the policies a candidate wants to instate.

Again, I didn't say anything about Trump's book being 'a gauge of critical thought', because, first of all, that's a very strange way to describe it and second, that's definitely not what it is. I was saying that the most obvious reason to read it is to get to know more about what Trump stands for, so you'll have more knowledge at your disposal to base your opinions on. This principle holds for any and every political party and their election program. How many more times will I have to repeat this today before it gets through to you?

>do you support trump
>do you go to /pol/
Sure, I'll answer these completely irrelevant questions so you can try to discredit me with any answer I might give. :^)

>you seem triggered af
Projecting again. Stop it.

Please do reply, I can't wait to waste more of your time reiterating my original statement.
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ITT:

NEETS give a high school sophomore's take on politics.

i.e.
>>7576162
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>>7576522
>The national _socialist_ _workers party_ is not left wing
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>>7576548
In what way were they left wing?

Being right wing is having the outlook that inequality/heirarchy is natural/desirable/inevitable, this can be seen in the Natsoc belief in a "master race" with others being far inferior

Left wing is the opposite, as can be seen in the communist goal of achieving an impossible level of equality.

Economic interventionism is not inherently left wing.
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>>7576418
Hitler's hateful ideology and Capitalism are incomparable.
>>7576445
>implying they didn't
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>>7576418
The goal of capitalism was never to deliberately kill or inflict cruelty on human beings, but is rather an inevitable consequence of class structures. The same cannot be said of National Socialism as their goal was always inherently genocidal and jingoistic.
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>>7576595
The goal was to create a nation for the germanic people free of outside interference.
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>>7572786
Why isn't that fair?

Trump is in essentially the same place as Hitler in 1925. Trump just hasn't killed his political enemies and opened death camps yet.
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>>7576640
It was also to reclaim lost territories and to expand the German sphere of influence through force.
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>>7576048
Nah, they like him because they're scared of demographic change and the downfall of white supremacy.

Trump supporters are mostly lower-class, older white people. They grew up without knowing a single brown person, when Segregation was in full effect. Now the president is black and their hometown is 15% Hispanic.
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>>7576662
where do you people come from
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>>7576654
No he's not, you're just an idiot.
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>>7576659
>It was also to reclaim lost territories
Fair enough. Territories that were still largely culturally german.

>through force.
After they were ignored and refused peaceful discussion by other countries.
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>>7576662
>They grew up without knowing a single brown person
They grew up without violent gangs on their streets and without low IQ africans disrupting their classrooms.

>when Segregation was in full effect.
They grew up around their own people.

>Now the president is black
They grew up under competent presidents.

>Their hometown is 15% Hispanic.
Their hometown didn't used to have violent slums.

AKA they grew up when America was great and wish it was great again.
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MODS I BEG YOU
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>>7576548
http://coreyrobin.com/2014/04/22/three-theses-not-really-more-like-two-graphs-and-a-link-on-nazism-and-capitalism/
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>>7572869
>Hitler was evil
>still thinking like a five year old
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>>7576455

You're being trolled my man
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>>7575757
Checking that palindrome
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>>7576321
I don't have anything in particular against BLM, so whatever. Also if recent polls are accurate, it's pretty conceivable that he could beat Hillary.
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>>7576679
uuuh no. People who want trump as president are tired of stupid confirmation biases like the ones you are enacting when looking for certain voter demographics that suit your "informative insults" You're just another cunt who cares nothing but to win an argument and look politically hip and edgy.
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>>7576392
Trump's book wasn't ghostwritten. If you read it, you can tell.
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>>7575862
incredibly weak, tenuous comparisons, yes.
>obama wants more gun control
>HITLER TOOK AWAY GUNS FROM NON WHITES!! OBAMA IS JUST LIKE HITLER!!!!
It's fucking idiocy. Go back to reddit.
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>>7575270
>>7575281
How dense are you guys? This is a thread discussing the book Crippled America. We can discuss it here just as we can discuss Mein Kampf or Capital or the Wealth of Nations.
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>>7576814
Crippled America belongs in /pol/ and those other three books belong in /his/. Go back to /pol/ and /his/.
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>>7576826
Do you know the definition of literature? How the fuck does Capital belong in /his/? Fuck off to reddit newfag.
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>>7576834
It belongs in /his/ because it's philosophy, bitch. /his/ is the philosophy board now.
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>>7576839
No it's not. Philosophy is literature. The humanities section of /lit/ is for talking about things like sociology.
>bitch
Woah calm down there buddy, don't want to hurt anyone's feelings now do you?
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>>7576847
Karl Marx wasn't an artist, so his work does not belong on /lit/.
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>>7576855
>>7576861
you don't get to taste a board just because you're too much of a pleb to understand proper discussion. Good literature is inherently philosophical the majority of the time. I bet you read for plot, you both fucking disgust me.
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>>7576893
Actually I read for prose :-)
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>>7576895
trash
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>>7576901
It's true that idea is essential to great/beautiful use of language, though. But literature is about artful use of ideas. Philosophy is just about developing the ideas themselves. That's belongs on /his/, while poetry and so on is what belongs on /lit/.
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>>7576916
>putting philosophy and the discussion of philosophical fiction on two seperate boards
I can tell you weren't actually round for the split, it was pretty explicitly understood by people on both sides that philosophy belonged on /lit/.
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>>7576924
You can tealk about the philosophical content of philosophical fiction on /his/, and the aesthetic content on /lit/. And anyway, philosophical fiction is typically philosophically inferior to actual philosophical treatises as the philosophical content is hampered in what is primarily an attempt to create an aesthetic experience, or in some cases the aesthetic content is hampered in an attempt to develop the ideas in a more thorough way. And finally, it is clealry you who wasn't around for the 'split', as pretty much everyone agreed that philosophical discussion should be moved to /his/.
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>>7576964
>You can tealk about the philosophical content of philosophical fiction on /his/
So you're saying I can only talk about existentialism in notes from underground on fucking /his/? Are you high? Kill yourself my man.
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>>7576861
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>>7572766
/thread
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>>7576663
it starts with r and ends with t
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>>7572869
>evil
>someone who was imperialistic and wanted the best of his people was evil

America is evil. They didnt make gun laws international. I also want a gun u ignorant amerifats
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>>7572760
It will be in another ten or so years.
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>>7579437
How so?

captcha: 1938
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>>7576743
>I don't have anything in particular against BLM
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>>7576445
>>implying the nahzees had an evil plan to systematically murder millions
I'm sorry to break the news for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
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>>7580136
Is there something like this for the Jews? I assumed this was going to be the plan for the holocaust, but it turned out to just be about Slavs.
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>>7576548
>the _democratic_ _people's_ _republic_ of korea is not liberal
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>>7576455
Here's my response: you're a dumb fucktard that can't discern quality of thought. Your whole argument could be taken to such a stupid extreme of 'oh, he's running for office? Might as well read em' - void of any other considerations. Why? Well because apparently you're too afraid to actually engage with Trump as a specific and have cowardly tried to blanket the conversation as some half ass pull to 'dude, just read.'
Hopefully at some point in time you'll be able to tell the difference between what is worth giving credence to.
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>>7575137
His track record on LGBT+ issues is also more palatable to the general public. I mean it won't sate 'Tumblristas', but they will crucify actual LGBT+ people who don't align with their vague and amorphous definition of 'queer'.
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>>7572760
Literally, he has a strict constructionist view of the constitution. Obama says he follows the constitution. No. Trump does. He isn't even that far right. It's not a Human Rights violation to check who's coming into our country.
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>>7575137
>Rand Paul is most left in civil rights
I'd say Yeb is considering he just wants to naturalize/ give handouts to unchecked illegals.
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>>7580284
>Here's my response: you're a dumb fucktard that can't discern quality of thought.
Nice baseless assumption, didn't expect that.
>Your whole argument could be taken to such a stupid extreme of 'oh, he's running for office? Might as well read em' - void of any other considerations. Why? Well because apparently you're too afraid to actually engage with Trump as a specific and have cowardly tried to blanket the conversation as some half ass pull to 'dude, just read.'
Dude, I get it, you hate Trump. It doesn't matter. As I've made clear many times already, my point doesn't concern Trump specifically so it's pointless to keep trying to force him into the discussion. Even so, where do you get the idea that I'm 'afraid to engage with Trump'? If I would read his book I would have no choice but to read it with a critical mind.
>Hopefully at some point in time you'll be able to tell the difference between what is worth giving credence to.
Are you seriously pissed off because I made some valid points about reading a book you don't like by a person you don't like? Are you seriously pissed off because I'm not willing to pick a side in the matter? Do you really think that invalidates what I've said in this discussion? Go read it all over once more and Make Your Mind Great Again!
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>>7580313
Sure, but barring entry based on a very, very broad sweep of faith probably is unconstitutional.

To their credit, most Trump supporters I meet seem to be against the Muslim Ban thing.
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>>7580339
I think banning someone on religion is very stupid but it's the best we've got. Letting in noone is better than letting in everyone. When the government says "we'll do checks and crack down" they won't. The Muslim ban is stupid and awful which goes to show how bad our politicians are that it's the best idea we have.
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>>7580339
>Sure, but barring entry based on a very, very broad sweep of faith probably is unconstitutional.

Not that anon, but it isn't.

Incoming foreign nationals are not afforded the same rights as citizens and residents.

These sorts of bans have always been contitutional under the plenary power doctrine.
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>>7580350
Huh. Yeah, alright, fair. Been a while since I've done the diligence so to speak, forgot about the plenary power stuff.
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>>7580350
This, Carter banned Iranians from entering the US during the Iranian hostage crisis iirc. Also Germans and Japanese were banned during WWII.
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>>7580206
The Jews were their first target.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

But they had several more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos
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>>7575757
beau doublé alterné
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>>7572766
/thread
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>>7580368
Citizens of a country and members of a religious group aren't even sort of the same thing.
It's also super impractical, for instance you'd never know my religious beliefs unless I told you, and I could just as easily lie if it was convenient to me
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>>7580368
Obama also banned Iraqis in 2011
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>>7580777
This is the bit of it that confuses me desu
We could check to see of people are members of churches or mosques or whatever, but even then it seems way too easy to lie
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>>7573148
>>7573236

supported

(am i allowed to announce supports?)
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>>7580777
>Citizens of a country and members of a religious group aren't even sort of the same thing.
That doesn't really matter, the president can instate a ban on any kind of group.
>It's also super impractical, for instance you'd never know my religious beliefs unless I told you, and I could just as easily lie if it was convenient to me
This is true, that's why the ban would probably mean that any citizen from an islamic country is temporarily barred from entering the US. Considering the grand majority of citizens of islamic countries are muslim, this is much more practical than asking for every immigrant's religion individually. I understand this might cause some problems to arise regarding christian minorities in islamic countries, etc., but I'm sure there are some high-energy Trump interns thinking up ways to work around those problems.

>>7580815
The administration stopped processing refugee requests from Iraq for six months in 2011. This sounds a lot more innocent, but it's effectively the same thing.
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>>7580937
>problems
We aren't international crusaders. It's not our job to defend the rights of Christians across the globe.
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>>7580987
Yeah I wasn't saying it was, was I? But if you declare a ban on muslims you can't just say 'oh you're a christian, I see, well I'm sorry but in you live close to achmed so I'm just going to pretend you go to his mosque anyway'. That's not how that works.
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>>7580997
Just to be clear, by 'problems' I meant that non-muslim groups who live in majority-islamic countries might run into issues with immigration to the US if enforcement of the ban is done on the basis of country of origin instead of a survey of religion.
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>>7580301
I find it funny that you talk shit on Tumblr when you unironically use LGBT+ instead of LGBT. Seriously, you faggot, stop adding shit to it.
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>>7572760
If we want to understand our own time, we should stop analogizing it to the 20th century.
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>>7576826
nice try fuckboy but the emperor has spoken
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>>7576418
>Capitalism kills millions annually and has, since the time of the second ww, killed hundreds of millions more than hitler ever killed.
this is quite literally untrue
the act of free trade by definition cannot kill another person
and when violence is used to coerce markets then it is no longer a free market, and thus no longer capitalist
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>>7581236
So like communism, capitalism has never existed and is perfect and unsullied and will never be criticised because it will never exist.

Feels good to have a pure ideology as an accessory to posture with.
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>>7580997
that's actually how a sensible and effective immigration policy would work: Rand Paul wants to target nations with known terror cell activity and that includes temporarily banning all travel from those places including student visas
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>>7581264
true, I do actually believe that communism hasn't been fully realized and that for the most part neither has capitalism
the difference is that communism failed because they tried it and at its very basis socialism is a practical failure whereas capitalism is succeeding in spite of what's holding it back, and nearly every criticism of capitalism is something that is standing in the way of free markets
>the fed
>wallstreet banks
>student loans
all problems caused by subsidization and corporatism which are enemies of capitalism
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>>7581264
Capitalism is purely an economic system. Communism is a complete social, political and economic model. It as such can kill people.
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>>7581290
State socialism has been tried, they never got to the point of communism.

Also, neither pure socialism nor pure capitalism is succeeding. What is most successful is a sort of centrist state with both a market economy and a welfare state as can be seen in every developed country. There are two main versions of this now, the liberal and the authoritarian kind, but both are essentially variations of the same system.

The notion that 'pure capitalism' would be even possible by your definition requires the eradication of violence as a factor, which will never happen, since the only way to keep violence at bay is to have some institution with the monopoly on violence and such an institution will by its very existence coerce markets in some way.

Seems to me like we would be better off tweaking this hybrid thing we've got going than fantasising about the impossible.
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>>7581272
That's more sensible, I agree. But it's not what Trump has proposed so they'd have to deal with that.
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>>7572760
No, for the simple reason that Mein Kampf actually inspired millions to support Hitler, whereas it's highly likely that anyone genuinely influenced by Crippled America already supported Trump based on his speeches.
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>>7581375
Not to mention that Mein Kampf was more egocentric, the title alone shows that. Mein Kampf was about Hitler first and foremost, it was about his struggle, Trump's book is about America and the American people. Trump has a large ego but he's also quite clearly not a narcissist, Hitler on the other hand likely was.
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>>7581410
>trump not a narcissist

come on m8
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>>7581294
There's no such thing as a non-political social arrangement. Capitalism simply presumes liberalism. Capital cannot even exist without private property.
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>>7581425
Give me an honest, reasoned explanation of what makes you think Trump is a narcissist.
>>7581431
>capitalism presumes liberalism
False. Capitalism can work under Conservative governments, monarchy and dictatorships. It's purely an economic model. Everyone having the right to own property does not make Capitalism. When it started serfs could not own property, but it was still capitalism.
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>>7581446
>Give me an honest, reasoned explanation of what makes you think Trump is a narcissist.
He seems to have all the traits, although I agree not to the degree that Hitler had them who seemed to think providence itself was concerned with every step he took.
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>>7581468
He's brash and boastful, there's a difference between that and narcissism. You need to consider also that narcissism is typically a defense against terminally low self esteem. Hitler had every reason to form this. Abused by his father, rejected from art school, NEET for years and in a country humiliated by the treaty of Versailles. Why would Trump have self esteem issues? Like it or not, he's a winner. He's wealthy and has a family. He's at the very least no more narcissistic than other big business types. I feel he has more potential for psychopathy than regular narcissism.
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>>7581290
Banks and credit are not optional but arise because of necessity; you can try to ban Usury but a black markets will just arise with even higher interest rates. Once credit comes into existence debt is a necessity to compete.

Corporations are the idealized way to pool resources and socialize production under capitalism and minimize individual risk.

>>7581446
If you lack private property you're dealing with something quantitatively different than capitalism [for the better or worse]. Capital requires free wage labour, it's not optional. Capitalism can only exist with certain political presumptions.
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>>7581486
I'll concede, you make a fair point. I still think it's dubious to claim that every time someone stubs their toe under capitalism that it is the fault of capitalism, though, which is often what the typically "millions died under capitalism" types tend to claim.
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>>7581483

>I feel he has more potential for psychopathy than regular narcissism.

I recall when he was being roasted on TV, he had this painfully strained and mirthless smile on his face, it was fucking uncanny.
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>>7581514
Yeah, I feel that it could be possible. Statistically speaking anyways, a man of his status is more likely to be afflicted. I've also known people who have been psychopaths in the past, it's not something new to me. Thank god I live in the UK, where our new right is repped by based Nige, whom I trust to actually deliver on his policy rather than just profiteer from his position. It's a shame he'll never ever become PM
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>>7576418
You have to be 18 to post here.
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>>7581483
Good points to be honest.
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>>7581500
This silly attitude is mostly a reaction against the 'communism killed millions' meme though, which is just as dumb.
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>>7581547
The revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat do involve killing, though. Communism has killing at the core of it's ideology. At the very least Marxist Leninism does.
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>>7581557
People like to include famines and such in the kill count though, which I find dishonest.

You could say killing is part of the ideology, but it is a killing that is supposed to alleviate the (according to their view) structurally inherent oppression and exploitation under capitalism.

If you don't agree on their evaluation of capitalism it seems pretty savage, but if you do killing a bunch of people is nothing compared to the alternative.
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>>7581581
True, but you could then argue Capitalism has exploitation at it's core and Communism has killing at it's core. The difference is the exploitation of Capitalism is debatable, whereas the discussion around Communism is only whether or not the killing is just. Personally, I don't trust political ideologues to make rational decisions on who deserves to live and who doesn't.
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>>7581589
Well, you could say commies only have to kill because the exploiters won't stop give up exploitation without a fight and that the killing is merely an effect of the status quo deliberately posing an obstacle to a more well ordered society.

I wouldn't trust the bourgeoisie to make rational decisions on who deserves to eat and who doesn't either, by the way.
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>>7581680
Communism continues to kill after the initial revolution though. It supports the killing of anyone who promotes bourgeoisie sentiment even if they are non violent and don't own any property. At that point it's far removed from justice and is pure authoritarianism.
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>>7581686
So justice is inherently liberal?
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>>7581704
No, just my sense of justice. I can understand killing the bourgeoisie if you consider them to be exploiting the poor and destroying the planet but killing anyone who disagrees with you is pretty bad behaviour, and I couldn't imagine how you would justify it beyond "might makes right".
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>>7581711
Once you've overthrown the exploiters wouldn't it make sense to not let people openly be reactionary and try to reinstill the former situation?

Is telling a few people to 'shut up or else' worse than facing the risk that your revolution will be for nothing because you allow rhetorical sabotage to flourish, especially given the fact that such a tolerance would immediately be exploited by outside forces who wish to see you fail?

Censorship, especially when you're dealing with a brand new regime that's still very fickle, is not only reasonable but a necessity in such a situation.
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>>7581741
Perhaps when you are dealing with a new regime, but has Communism ever made it past the dictatorship, and allowed the state to shrivel and die? This is a sincere historical question. It seems to me that Communism ultimately serves to transfer power and wealth from one elite to another.
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>>7580326
oh. OH. my bad. i didn't know you went through the trouble of all this just to earnestly expound on the virtue of reading and i guess argue(?) for the fuck of it. i honestly didn't believe someone who was that removed from the conversation would have continued on and on unless they themselves felt they needed to continue it to, uhm, idk, prove some strange personal point. that yeah reading is good? idk. sure(?). to jump in without base with an open mind when one already has the capacity to judge the character of the author and the subject at hand through their own prerequisitional knowledge though? no. it's why i don't need to read 'everybody poops.'
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>>7581770
Depends on your definition of communism. For 99% of human history we lived in small hunter-gatherer bands that were pretty much equal and leaderless that shared their possessions, which is seen as primitive form of communism by some.

If you mean have people ever created a stateless communism in modern times apart from a few short lived enclaves then the answer is no for as far as I know, but I believe commies think the world should first become socialist before a transition to actual communism would be a possibility. So not dismantling your own state while there are other states surrounding you foaming at the mouth to ruin your shit isn't necessarily an argument against communism.
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>>7582045
>to jump in without base with an open mind when one already has the capacity to judge the character of the author and the subject at hand through their own prerequisitional knowledge though? no. it's why i don't need to read 'everybody poops.'
Such gems every single time!
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>>7576803
I'm so tired of people playing this card. The muppet wants to build a wall, he calls all Mexicans rapists, he publicly mocks disabled journalists, his supporters are borderline Nazi trash ready to harass anything non-white at a Trump rally, and ready to use violence at anything that's not as fucking retarded as they are. You're a fucking idiot. I hate people like you. He is literally a political psycho, and the fact that he's gained this much popularity should be a wake-up call to every one in the world that whatever it is the Yanks are doing, it's going incredibly wrong. Remember that Hitler was an incredibly successful politician for a couple of years, while still spewing racist hatred. You don't need death camps to be compared to Hitler.
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>>7582303
Lots of people have walls, m8. Mexico even has their own wall in the south.
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>>7575963
BULLSHIT

trump is patton !
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>>7576051
>supporting trump
>'taken seriously'

pick 1
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>>7582374
see: >>7582360
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I hope Americans elect Trump simply because it would be interesting if I'm completely honest.
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>>7576350
>>7576445
could you be any fucking edgier?
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>>7576445
its easy to spout ignorant nonsense from your comfy computer chair isn't it?
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>>7582797
What's ignorant about his post? Hitler wanted to deport Jews to a new homeland, not kill them all.
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>>7572882
How do people on fucking lit not understand this post?
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Do you think there will be liberal assassination attempts if Trump gets elected?
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>>7572835
>most liberal-minded Republican

What? He wants to completely halt Muslims from entering the country, whether they're immigrating or just visiting, dissolve the EBT program and make use of the nuclear arsenal, all things every other Republican candidate has called him out for.
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The question is comrades, do we kill off all the helpless masses, or join with them? And if we kill off the helpless masses, how do we know the killers won't consider us part of them, since we are in fact part of them?
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lol no

fuck muslims and fuck illegals get the fuck out of my country
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>>7584004
>liberal assassination attempts

There will be assassination attempts from every political sect across every nation in the world.
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>>7572760
stop making these meme thread
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>>7584008
Nah, I think only American liberals would be mad enough to try and kill The Trump.
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>>7584019
You're either trying to have a giggle or are completely naive. Our current president, like every president before him, is and has been under threat of having his life snuffed out everyday. A president that delights in stepping on toes as much as "The Trump" would be lucky to live past the first month in office. Regardless of what party he belongs to, he is a very brash man and will anger a lot of foreign powers, as well as domestic ones.
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>>7576752
>You're just another cunt who cares nothing but to win an argument

More like he defends his points like any adult would in a political discussion.

But fuck that, #openborders amirite?
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>>7584276
DUDE

FICKI FICKI

LMAO
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>>7582196
what you were describing is communalism, not communism.
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>>7584287
refugees welcome
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>>7583995

don't worry friend, I got it :)
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