The people I know who love Murukami are: a) my gf's dad (who is pretty patrician, writes poetry, former journalist) b) a whole bunch of 18-22 year old girls at my uni, I think at least half a dozen I know of really like him c) this 18 year old heroin addict vietnamese guy i know who wants to be a cartoonist
Read 1Q84 a while back. Liked the prose and magical tone/imagery except the pedo stuff It's a nice journey but fuck that ending, it made the whole thing feel like an empty, meaningless waste of time. Got Norwegian Wood for xmas, barely started it - does it have a satisfying ending anon?
It's not strictly pedo (17), It's just awkwardly/badly written and comes across as fantasy fulfillment.
>>7571032 >that ending Virtually nothing is explained or given closure, it ends very abruptly with all the subplots and mysteries being completely ignored. The magical shit, the cult, the rape protection centre, the ugly guy (best character imho), the cocoon thing. It's like an adult rip off of Spirited away but at least things in that world make some degree of sense. Again I enjoyed the journey but finishing it like that was infuriating.
norwegian wood is the book that kinda got me into reading, mostly cause it's a really easy read. never before have i read 100 pages in one session and then the other 200 in the other. it's a pretty comfy book id say even though there's some disturbing material.
the main thing gets resolved in the end, even though the story couldve continued.
He's obviously a poor reader, which is quite THE fault if you plan to write for a living. He has entry level tastes developed from the stuff from abroad that arbitrarily leaked into Japan's culture (similar to the European lit introduced in pre-War Japan), all very Western. So instead of discussing Noh theatre or a local Shinto festivity, he talks about some symphony or an obscure Jazz player, which is more relatable to the Western world. He has no definite style, only cliches from popular culture and/or his own literature. He thinks bringing a character to life is to explain he likes this or that, that he practices X discipline, etc. He thinks you need to relate to a character to follow his life story, which is why he throws so many hooks at the reader to make him relate, which is pretty damn easy when most of your main characters are 20-30yos John Grey's, who lack any personality of their own and are all about common sense. Oh, but they also like jazz and enjoy running... wow, such depth of character.
He's despised not only by /lit/ but also by Japanese critics. He's basically Paulo Coelho for weaboos and teenagers. At any rate, he's overhyped by people that have no knowledge of Jap literature, magical realism or existentialism. The philosophy behind him is so easy going, tolerant and stoic most immature people instantly love him, and that's because his readers are largely ignorant.
Whenever you find yourself in front of a "page turner" (ezpz prose, no discernible use of structure) it's usually a sign of how that specific book is filled with banalities.
My personal reason to hate him is because he wrote the worst introduction I've read by a published author (see Soseki's Sanshiro by Penguin). If I'd written such retarded thing about one of the fathers of the literature of my own country I'd feel embarrassed to death. The funny thing it reads just like any other chapter from a Murakami novel: >i'm lazy and have no drive >i don't like to tackle complex stuff because i'm pretty dumb >stuff simply happens to me (usually carried out by women) >i'll speak of the subject matter in terms of liking/disliking
>>7570620 Heres the thing, for me, Murakami's writing hits a nice note of simplicity and magical realism. Nothing more nothing less. Its very simple but gets the job done. He doesnt explain everything and lets some things open for interpretation even if he doesnt know what the fuck he wrote, it's as if it just appears in his mind and puts it down on paper, sometimes to great effect, other times is really dribble. Sometimes he can be too blunt with his message and many of his stories and plots are similar with minor twists.
Either way it's enjoyable and shouldnt be taken too seriously, there are better writers out there if you are looking for life changing books.
TL;DR just enjoy it and dont think too much of it.
>>7571557 >He thinks bringing a character to life is to explain he likes this or that, that he practices X discipline, etc. He thinks you need to relate to a character to follow his life story, which is why he throws so many hooks at the reader to make him relate, which is pretty damn easy when most of your main characters are 20-30yos John Grey's, who lack any personality of their own and are all about common sense. Oh, but they also like jazz and enjoy running... wow, such depth of character.
not to say i disagree with the rest of your post or that i am particularly fond of murakami, but, is it at all possible that his characters are like this because people are like this? that murakami's writing is symptomatic of postmodernity in the far east? that he is a critic of that which he portrays? or has everyone interested in literary analysis simply written him off because his books always occupy a full shelf at barnes and noble?
I read Kafka on the Shore this summer and enjoyed it. I didn't love it, or think it was particularly profound, but I enjoyed the mood and sense of mystery he managed to engender. When I read afterwards that Murakami has stated that it is like a riddle, that has to be re-read numerous times, with a different answer to each person, I thought he was a gargantuan faggot.
I hear he's a one-trick pony though, and I haven't felt particularly motivated to seek out his other works.
Oh look yet another gaijin who thinks Murakami has any grounding in Japanese culture at all. This is exactly why Murakami is so much more popular in the west: his detached from reality portrayals and western pandering allows westerners to believe they are getting an authentic Japanese experience while not actually getting anything more than a watered down version of what already exists in western lit. It's pure tripe
Don't you realize that watered down western tripe is the quintessence of postmodernity, and that any attempt at authenticity is inherently contradictory, impossible, and even if feasible would not be able to be identified?
>>7572271 He's right you know. It's why most readers (read: not 4chan autists) read him. You have to realize that the vast majority of the reading population isn't looking for anything particularly challenging or novel, and having a super easy and familiar read packaged with an obscure sounding Asian name is a huge selling point.
I think Murakami is very aware of his positioning and marketing potential, which is why he caters his works to what sells.
>>7572289 I'm not defending anything or advocating Murakami, I'm just pointing out the situation that allowed him to be a big critical and commercial success. He does very well with the "want to seem worldly and sophisticated" reading crowd, which is a pretty big part of the market.
>>7571557 >He's obviously a poor reader . . . wow, such depth of character.
Worth noting that he owned a jazz bar and he himself is a long distance runner: these details aren't arbitrarily chosen. If you want to criticize him for putting too much of himself into his protagonists, that's a fair criticism, but to call his tastes craps from a larger cultural table is bogus given his own personal investment in the matter.
Really not much to say about him other than what I said. He draws little cartoons and sells some as zines and stuff. I watched the norwegian wood film at his house once and he kept sort of sighing and saying 'soooo good' every time something happened. He's a really nice guy, keeps bugging me to read more murakami though. I think he literally hasn't read a book by another writer in a few years.
I should say as well, I live in Australia and this guy is the son of two vietnamese immigrants.
I've read five or six of his books and I like him. Norwegian Wood and The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle are two of my favorite books. I'm big into surrealism and dreams. I think what Murakami achieves in terms of mood and atmosphere is pretty remarkable. To criticize him for "flat" characters is a case of just not clicking with his style, which succeeds with me (and obviously a whole lot of other people too). He's a great storyteller. Who cares if his books go down easy?
i find a lot of his books tail off in the last third. interesting premise, pretty comfy and then the ending always feels like a disappointment, a big let down on whatever build up he had going. 1Q84 especially. was fuckin pissed i wasted so much time on that.
>>7571557 I'm half japanese, I can tell you right now that you're talking shit about the entry level interests nonsense. The post war japs take shit like jazz, whiskey, metal works, craft beer, pottery making and just craft in general very seriously. They beat Scotland last year in making the best whiskey in the world for Christ's sake.
Does penguin get Murakami to write the introduction to every classic Japanese book? He wrote the introduction to Akutugawa's Rashamon and that was terrible. He basically slagged off akutagawa for being an immature writer, which is pretty fucking rich
>i'm lazy and have no drive >i don't like to tackle complex stuff because i'm pretty dumb >stuff simply happens to me (usually carried out by women) >i'll speak of the subject matter in terms of liking/disliking
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