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What did Evola mean when he spoke of transcendence? I'm reading his work right now and I'm a bit stumped by this.
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>>7568653
Name a more pathetic ideology than the NeoReaction. ProTip: You can't.
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>>7568682
I'm not NRx. I assumed this was kind of obvious from the image I posted.
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>>7568682
Anarchism
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>>7568716
But Stirner
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Evola is the guy all of the /pol/ morons like who believed in magic, right?
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>>7568803
I thought Hegel was the wizard.
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>>7568716
I kinda like some of Proudhon's shit
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>>7568682
Neoliberal progressivism.
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>>7568803
Yeha he believes in some weird stuff. I don't totally understand that aspect of his philosophy.


>>7568890
That's a meme you dip
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>>7568716
>being this much of a statist
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https://clyp.it/0ikdgjsu
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>>7568985
What is this
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>>7568653
Bump
I want to know more about Evola. How do I cast spells and where are some good places to shop for tiger saddles?
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>>7568968
I always thought he was just trying to give his desired social structure some sort of mythological significance.
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>>7568778
he wasn't an anarchist.
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>>7569051
What? Is egoism not anarchism now?
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>>7569059
it never was.
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>>7569064
How?
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>>7569098
being a voluntary egoist doesn't necessarily imply anarchism. you clearly don't understand stirner.
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>>7569051
>>7569108
He was an anarchist and an individualist.

He felt people oughtn't associate outside unions of (voluntary) egoists.
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transcendence means bringing together all your energies and capacities under the discretion of a unified will, which is founded on the absolute, unconditioned nakedness of one's Being, the consciousness that presupposes all mental content, the I-that-is-I
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>>7569108
Even Emma Goldman considered him an anarchist
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>>7569173
Thank you for giving me an answer...but I'm still not 100% sure if get it because I don't really speak continental. So, is transcendence like a combination of all of your will that is based around some higher idea of the self? Am I understanding this correctly or am I way off?
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>>7569214
Yes, it's bringing everything in your power towards the embodiment of an ideal, of what is the highest realization
of yourself. It's aligning yourself to what is unconditioned and ground of the conditioned.

It's not exactly Nietzche's ubermensch per se. Both affirm the individual's primordial Being in a messy world of Becoming, but while Nietzche is only interested in "living more", Evola's Aryan is always moving towards what is "more than life"
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>>7568653
>What did Evola mean when he spoke of transcendence?

Nothing coherent, probably.
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>>7569244
Yes, I read living more/more than life passage. I thought that was a really interesting way to put it. He's only speaking of living a high quality life, right?
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>>7569266
Sure, but the reason why it's so high quality is because it's lived in accordance to what is higher than life. So an action is done well for its own sake, and not for any other reason. It's what the Bhagavad Gita and Tao mean by the "action of non-action", or Kierkegaard's "moving with infinity". The action is maximally lived, done with pure motive, and totally expends itself and leaves nothing behind, like worrying about the result
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>>7569291
Thanks again. Evola isn't really the monster j was expecting him to be. I think I'm getting a better understanding of it. I'm not sure why doing the action most effectively for its own sake is higher than life though. Are you an Evolian/Radical Traditionalist?
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>>7569305
I like what he has to say but I'm not crazy about labels.

When you're detached, paradoxically, you perform better, and this eventually translates to your whole life. The idea is the pull or gravity of samsaric existence just doesn't drag you down as much anymore, so even though you're in it, you're not of it, and that's what's meant by living more than life
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>>7569323
Ok. I think you've answered all of my questions. You've been very helpful.
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>>7569137
No. just read the book.

The union is only an explanation for how egos could cooperate. You could live your entire life with spooked individuals and take advantage of all their spooks.
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>>7569821
I've been putting his works into practice since day one family
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>>7569794
The upward stuff has to do with searching for a higher purpose, right? And that but about the inner struggle, is that about self-discipline and resisting the temptations of modernity?

If I dong make threads about him on /lit/, where do you suggest I go to learn about him?
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>>7569880
gornahoor.net
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>>7569880
Lesolarwarrior.fedora
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>>7569880
>If I dong make threads about him on /lit/, where do you suggest I go to learn about him?

You shouldn't listen to some faggot on /lit/ saying whether you should be making threads on /lit/ or not.

Evola would have agreed.
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>>7569941
Oh, don't worry. I'll make as many Evola threads as I want. I was just hoping to find other sources where I can learn about him.
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What are his best books? Most essential to understand him? Could u limit it to one?
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>>7568653
>What did he mean by this?
Take your memes back to /tv/, please.
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fk u say fgt
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>>7569969
Ride the Tiger
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>>7569969
Men Amongst the Ruins, Revolt Against the Modern World, and Ride the Tiger
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>>7569970
Not memeing. I was legitimately trying to make sure I was understanding what I was reading.
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>>7569992
That's what I'm trying to do right now. I was trying to find some other places to learn about him and makes sure I'm understanding what I'm reading.
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>>7569998
No, reactionaries are fedora
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>>7569812
>he's merely presenting what has always been before the modern world
He was influenced by Plato and Stirner. I'd be willing to believe that he was making a good deal of it up.
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>>7568682
criticise NRx without resorting to greentexting
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>>7570085
He blows stirner the fuck out in one paragraph in ride the tiger and never brings him up again. confirmed for not even having read EVola.
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>>7569981
>>7569978
Ty
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>>7570100
In which chapter?
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>>7570111
One of the nihilism chapters early on
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>>7570162
Yeah, I know the one you're talking about.
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>>7568682
feminism when males subscribe to it
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Evola
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>>7570342
I take it you're a fan
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>>7570342
Wasted your money, should have gotten Guenon instead :^)
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>>7570423
Also I have Guenon complete works on my Kindle
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>>7570534
Everything is fedora now. We can smell the fedora on you every time you say the word cuck like a mentally retarded chicken.
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>>7570087
can anyone answer this
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>>7571007
Feudalism sucks why would u want to live in a society like that
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>>7570534
>anything remotely masculine, intellectual AND non-modern

zero awareness: the post
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Yo its dem fooken pesky jews
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>>7572259
do people unironically believe that NRx is a feudalist/monarchist/fascist movement?
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>>7572358
Wait what is it if it's not that
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>>7572549
an analytical framework
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>>7572571
Then what do the Neo-reactionaries want?
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>>7572571
Comical, neo-reaction is simply whiny butthurt that things aren't like some mythical good old days, there's little to no political insight in it.
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>>7572577
idk depends on who you ask
>>7572585
can you actually fault their analysis or are you just going to redditpost
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>>7568653
maybe enlightenment?
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>>7572595
All I hear from them are complaints about non-white people, jews, plebs, so-called "degenerates" and "SJWs"

They seem to wish to rid society of these things, but how would they do this without going towards fascism/nazism/etc.

If they don't wish for Fascism or nazism or anything similar, then, what do they want?
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>>7572621
disintegration more than anything
honestly just read Nick Land's blog
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>>7572621
>lol hurr Nazis hurr

For once I'd like to come on this board and have someone disagree with me by actually refuting points instead of posting buzzfeed-caricatures of philosophies they never read
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>>7572621
lel, do a strawpoll on /pol/ and see how many are fascist or natsoc vs libertarian.

The days of a libertarian /pol/ are long gone
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>>7572646
/pol/ doesn't know shit about NRx
NRx supports Hillary
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>>7572631
I wasn't trying to refute your ideology, I was merely asking for an insight on it
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>>7572656
First of all, don't confuse /pol/ autists with actual men of Tradition. A real man doesn't spend half his day posting about niggers, cucks, and jews.

Second, nothing external can save you. Nazism and fascism have nothing to do with this. The solution is a new, inner orientation towards what uplifts oneself as a human being, and not hoping for some pie in the sky government to make all the bad men go away
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>>7572748
What's a real man?
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>>7572751
A man who thinks and behaves the way I think it is good to think and behave.
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>>7572756
That's convenient

I think you may be a bit full of yourself, la
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>>7568653

Evola is entry-level shit. You need to get into Weininger, that's where it's at.
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>>7572621

Read Moldbug's gentle intro to UR.

also this: http://freenortherner.com/2015/11/06/what-is-neoreaction/

The way to achieve Moldbug's aims is accelerating the current "decline" which is where Nick Land comes in. Land built an entire metaphysics that is purely materialist. For this, read Fanged Noumena, then Land's blog.

/pol/'s Meme-magic would be an example of the accelerationist methods currently used on 4chan.
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>>7572793
>material metaphysics
o i am laffin
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>>7572648
>NRx supports Hillary

wat
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>>7572793
thanks
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>>7572748
What uplifts oneself as a human being?
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>>7572782
Weininger
Cioran
Zapffe
Ligotti (nonfiction)

all essential reading. I'd throw in Esther Vilar for good measure since /lit/, being a bunch of bookish nerds with little experience regarding the fairer sex, still harbors enlightenment-period white knight delusions about women

>>7570076
No, neoliberal atheists / humanists / feminists / euphoric buzzfeed enthusiasts like yourself are fedora
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>>7572808
Other humans. Or are we not giving the game away yet?

My bad
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>>7572800
Not that anon but the reasoning goes that if Trump wins it would only slow things down, not end them, and in order for there to be a revamp of the system we need to skip to the Rome-tier collapse. Hillary is not only the embodiment of the status quo but she is such a bad candidate she actually has the potential to accelerate the decline and cause the eventual collapse of the West. She is everything wrong with the Western neoliberal system
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>>7572824
lmao and what do the grown ups say?
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>>7572824
Ok. That makes sense.
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>>7572831
Yet another witty ebin snark reply

Why is it that every criticism of anything involving nrx is less of a criticism and more of a buzzfeed millennial meme response
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>>7572831

shillary voter detected.
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>>7572854

because it's a political ideology that consists of more than just "hey we'll make everything free and everyone will be equal BECAUSE IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR"
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>>7572854
lmao
>>7572855
go colonel sanders
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>>7572812
>Zapffe

Fuck that guy. Philosophical pessimism and Antinatalism are as degeneate as it gets
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>>7572854
>>7572855
>>7572863
Please answer
>>7572814
I suffer from stage 2 aspergers
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Hey I'm looking for a scientific method but I've read all through Evola's work and can't find one maybe someone can help?
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>>7572585
It's like if the European New Right shat itself and started throwing it's fecal matter all over the place
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>>7572870
>antinatalism
>degenerate

pick 1 and only 1
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>>7572874

They say exactly what grownups say about Sanders: "sounds like fascist bullshit to me"
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>>7568682
Left wingers outrank pretty much everyone in terms of pathetic levels.
But Evolafags are usually just hipster autists anyway, more interested in saying that they read things, than actually understanding things. Like most /lit/izens but right wing.
>>7572824
>world history never changes, it only ever repeats meme
>we're totally going to get invaded by the modern Visigoths because Hilary won
If Hilary wins all she'll do is enforce greater government surveillance, and attempt to ban guns, and speech however she can.
Also, start bombing any country that doesn't tow the line.
The US will keep on running and it will for at least 50 more years unless someone in the government get's cocky and wants to go full dictator.
You won't have your Rome tier collapse, things will keep on running, maybe a bit shittier than before.
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>>7569794
How about, get off of your high fucking horse, people will post whatever they want. How the fuck else am I supposed to hear about Evola and his re-wording of a recycled philosophy. if anything, he merely makes something that should be simple to understand, sound a lot more complex than what it really is. This statement is based off of what I've ascertained so far in this thread. His philosophies align with those judeo-christian lifestyle teachings, it's funny really. Everyone who stumbles upon this ideology thinks they're the shit.
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>>7572756
I can smell your machiatto from here

>>7572808
Living life in reference to what is more than life, the transcendent. The expansion of consciousness, not in a hippy sense, but awakening. It's conquering your lower nature. It's basing your integrity as a human being on one's Being, the still, unshakeable point that is the master of itself.

A man like this is too dignified, has too much integrity to fap to futa like a degenerate, or lose his temper over little things, or have a million different things in his mind when he should be focusing on what he's doing in the present moment.
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Citation police I'm pulling you all over.
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>>7572917
>his philosophy aligns with Jude-Christian teachings

Kek, maybe you should take his advice friendo
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>>7572918
Caring about what makes a Real Man (tm) is for nigger single mothers and involuntary celibates exclusively, and the definition of Real Man (patent pending) always boils down to "doing what passes as noble by my made up bullshit standards"
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>>7572878
Evola didn't bring his work into Academia through the front door with peer review so much as throw it over the fence. But he did utilise a positive nihalist epistemology influenced heavily by heideggerian Dasein. I suggest Dugin's Fourth Political Theory, he considers it an extension of Evolian thought
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>>7572944
Yo I would and all but you can't spell Nihilist right so no thanks - maybe another time though! I'll just, carry on with my post-positivist studies for now?

Sorry....
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>>7572942
Great argument bro, tell me more about masculinity from your comfy lily white suburb
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>>7572944

I would like to see a Democrat try to understand any of it.
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>>7572950
Your loss I suppose...

>I'll just, carry on with my post-positivist studies for now?
That's not a question for me to answer, take control of your own life friend
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>>7572944
EVola specifically rejects Heidegger's nihilistic leanings, though you're right dasein is an important part of his worlsview
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>>7572925
I don't mean his entire ideology, I mean pieces. even even that...a piece. I don't know, this is my first time reading anything about this guy. I was referring to this specifically>>7569173
and this>>7569244
and this>>7569291
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>>7572960
lmao (Haha what a joke!)
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>>7572960
Stop being fat and single
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>>7572952
Is this where you start pretending I don't live in the inner city because I don't hate blacks? That's where you new right retards usually go when you baselessly accuse people of being rich.
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>>7572955
The American so called Left and Right are both really just factions of the Liberal Capitalist hegemony. Only radicals on the periphery of todays metaideology will have any footing for thinkers like Evola
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>>7572970
Heidegger was an existentialist
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>>7572972
You're right that in the sense that evola preaches the spirit of Jesus' teachings in some respects, but he feels the theistic god is an obstacle to true awakening. The externalisation of anything, even as something as sacred as one's felt relationship with the Absolute, is also it's bastardization
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>>7572983
This desu senpai baka
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I was walking past this degenerate black today when he had the pittance of false-guilt to muster an excused and breathless apology. Naturally according to the translocation of my vastly superior will I struck back. A gesture of post-conceit "thanks I guess" and he was gone - thank the devil for that!
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>>7572983

At last I truly see. Time to rise up and overthrow the capitalist hegemony!

But first I need to beat off to blacked.com about five more times while crying into my anime pillow.
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>>7572993
I can't figure out what Evola is supposed to believe regarding God. It sounds like he's just "spiritual". I also don't see what his teachings have in common with Jesus, who was a pacifist proto-AnCom
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>>7573002
fascinating projection
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Well Evola didn't think that God was an allegory for this neutrality of logical thinking. Am I on the right path so far? Evola believes in that right? Neutral logical thought that drives excellence naturally? or am i way off? lol
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>>7573025
>>7572993
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>>7572944
I've just caught on to who you're recommending and I can't believe you'd do it straight faced.

His translations are barely available and with good reason.
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A bunch of anons discussing Evola, only one or two of whom have actually read him. wow.
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>>7573030
yeah they're the shitposters
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>>7572980
Only a pampered little baby thinks being a noble person and a pillar of the community is just a meme. I'm tired of hipster faggots like you debating with /pol/ phantoms soon as anything vaguely reactionary gets brought up. Make an argument or fuck off

>>7573005
He makes the distinction between the external, theistic God, and the inner, metaphysical one which is founded on the experience of the eternal "I" that presupposes all the small, contingent Is of the ego. A metaphor I like to use is you are not your thoughts - or else you would cease to exist the next time you're "in the zone" - you are the space your thoughts take place in.

A man who roots himself in this principle, who affirms himself in the deepest, metaphysical sense, is beyond getting pulled around by the vicissitudes of the conditioned reality
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>>7573030
It's a microcosm of /lit/ as a whole

2 or 3 people arguing who have actually read the material being discussed and the rest of the thread is meme responses from retards who don't even read
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>>7572980
>>7573033

/lit/ is a Christian board
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>>7573044
which one are you
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>>7573047
Clearly why it is so bad.
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>>7573051

It isn't, I was just remarking how hard you just curb stomped that pleb.
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>>7573033
So he believed in a personal God that is within all of us and is an extension of our identity? And belief in this God and in yourself allows you to overcome the challenges and pettiness of modernity?
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>>7573028
His works on National Bolsheivism are not that interesting for the Occidental reader, plus his anti-Transatlanticism means Anglo-Americans of all colours hate him; the primary reasons he hasn't been published much in English until recently (although his work in Germany has been available much longer).

Personally I'm ambivilant towards him, he's much less considered than ENR thinkers like de Benoist but there is a reason he is the foremost thinker in Russia today, 4PT is certainly a must read for anyone with an interest in Traditionalism and alternative anti-capitalism
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>>7573033
Which one is more impossible to understand? Evola or Heidegger? Lmao why do continentalfags put themselves through this shit? Brb gonna go jerk myself to Wittgenstein.
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>>7573065

how do i into Wittgenstein? just pick up PI?
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>>7573072
>implying I have actually read the authors I namedrop
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>>7573065
Evola was an avowed mystic and proud outsider, Heidegger was a respected mainstream academic. So guess
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>>7573060
As though it were a question of essentialist geopolitical splits in a scientific approach?

His philosophy is an ideological crutch for a post-soviet state. He's not published because there is nothing worth publishing.
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>>7573065
I'm reading both and both are perfectly clear , even if Heidegger is a bit long-winded. Christ the reading level on this board is pathetic

>>7573059
Yes, personal in the sense that what can save us only exists inside us. You're not literally talking to yourself instead of praying to cross or whatever.

Evola constantly remarks about how his books are only for a certain race of the spirit. the man who has a certain tendency of character or core of identity that persists through and beyond lust, anger, passion, greed etc. All men have an ape and a man inside of them, as Evola writes, but the Tradition is for the man whose disgusted with the ape's appetite when he comes to his senses.

When you finally make a decision to not feed the mechanicities of your consciousness - literally what is blind, insatiable, and conditioned within you, your little slice of animal nature that all humans have by virtue of being biological organisns - then you're on the path to awakening.

When forces no longer act through you ("it's not you that decides to have another shot of Hennessy, it's the Hennessy that wants another shot of Hennessy), but you act upon THEM, that's when you know something's changed. The balance has shifted
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>>7573104
Thank you. The Hennessy metaphor really helped to clear everything up.
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>>7573104
>Yes, personal in the sense that what can save us only exists inside us.

Self-worship is degenerate. I can't believe Moldbug liked this guy.
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So he's like Ayn Rand, only you're too afraid to quote him to your mum?
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>>7573087
The western scaremongering over his vague role in Russian politics greatly contrasts with the reality of his writing sorry to inform you. If he was Pro-West but still with the same principles as Putins "Rasputin", he's be much more celebrated among the Anglocentric elite

Okay, feel free not to give him a look. I have the challange the notion he's not accesible though, his work has been widely translated online since the mid 90's, his 4PT site has hundreds of hours of reading in english
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>>7573128
It is. Which is why we are not worshipping our earthly selves, but the transcendent consciousness that presupposes all atomized consciousnesses. Even then, worship is the wrong word

>>7573124
I'm glad it makes sense. Explaining this stuff to you helps me order my thoughts too. Evola is very dense
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>>7573130
No. They're very different. Try actually reading them.
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>>7573144
Dude like for real I read ride the fucking tiger, I can understand why you people might appreciate his works but consider the fact that some professor has to lecture to you and a trenchcoat is very off putting and holy fuck hahahahaha yeah okay so let's see a list of ethnographic studies utilizing his work oh - oh - oh - oh no oh dear...
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>>7573144
What do you expect from a memester fresh off posting his 5th Pynchon thread this week?
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>>7573138
>but the transcendent consciousness that presupposes all atomized consciousnesses.

I don't think I understand what that means. Is that supposed to be a fancy way of saying the soul?
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>>7573144
>Julius Evola was a heroic
yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you can't make this up
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>>7573153
Take your meds breh
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>>7573153
Holy shit I thought they were joking when they said that we were being invaded by reddit plebs. This thread has proved them right.
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>>7573160
>>7573161
trash posting isn't acceptable here desu so stop please
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>>7573153
Are you alright?
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>>7573153

Ass-blasted cultural marxist scum.
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>>7573175
>>7573169
Calm down please
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>>7573153

Emmbarresing

However if you're interested in ethnography often assocaited in the same circles as Evola readers/Traditionalism, Lev Gumiliev is very prominent
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>>7573177
Bump
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>>7573156
It's the I-that-is-I. Let me give you an example. You have a lot of Is, the I you show to your parents, friends, Co-workers etc. It's obviously not the case that in between these meeting your friend and going to work or whatever you cease to exist. There is a consciousness that is the space for all of your contingent selves. It's not the I-that-is-a-student-and-lover-and-valedictorian whatever yadda yadda , it's the I-that-is-I, the mind that presupposes the existence of many minds in the first place. It is the ineffable, transcendent state of a consciousness whose object is consciousness itself. What can harm consciousness? How could the weight of conditioned existence ever harm that original purity of your Being, unless of course, you let it?

It's very Buddhist. And it's not something you can intellectualize yourself into feelings. You have to know it in your bones.

I was going through a really tough time in my own life when I imagined on a whim one day, what the day would look like the morning after my death. I imagined the sky I was looking at would be the sky of that morning and then something clicked. I felt someth inside me that was so much higher, so much purer and more beautiful than all my little faggy bullshit down here on earth. Just pure, lucid awareness. I never forgot it
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>>7569446
But he was an anarchist.

He opposed state and laws.
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>>7573225
So it's like how you have multiple side to your personality and then a higher state of mind that is above all of that?

>It's very Buddhist

This might be why I'm having sub a difficult time wrapping my head around it. I no almost nothing about eastern philosophy. I was expecting Evola to just be Nietzsche 2.0 with extra racism/elitism. I've been pleasantly surprised.

>I was going through a really tough time in my own life when I imagined on a whim one day, what the day would look like the morning after my death. I imagined the sky I was looking at would be the sky of that morning and then something clicked. I felt someth inside me that was so much higher, so much purer and more beautiful than all my little faggy bullshit down here on earth. Just pure, lucid awareness. I never forgot it

Dude...I think I know what you're talking about. Theres this moment that I have always rememered when I was sitting outside a library and thinking to myself. I got this glowing feeling of acceptance. It's the last time I rememeber being really, truly happy. I'm currently striving to get back to that place or possibly, beyond it.
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>>7573258

That was god, diddling your butthole with his tongue.
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>>7573258
>and a higher state of mind above all that?

Yurp. You got it
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>>7573277
Great. Thanks!
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>>7568653
Bumparino
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>>7573258
>This might be why I'm having sub a difficult time wrapping my head around it. I no almost nothing about eastern philosophy. I was expecting Evola to just be Nietzsche 2.0 with extra racism/elitism. I've been pleasantly surprised.

Nietzsche also espoused "the Self is merely a conglomerate of conflicting drives fighting for expression (will to power)," so Evola is still within the Nietzschean framework. It's just much like Kierkegaard, they went past the line Nietzsche stopped at and posited some transcendental aspect.
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Your saint is lost to a history it can't properly reflect on within the focus of the canon of your orthodox.

It's pathetic, really. Keep trying though; maybe there's a spot for bourgeois stooges that you can fill!
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>>7568890
Yeha but Evola believed in sex magic
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any real difference between evola and mckenna's tradition / garden of eden concepts
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>>7572824
You have a really good point there. Neoliberalism just freely doing its thing is so much of the problem (although Trump's brand of free market capitalism is a part of all that as well, in its own way, make no mistake).

It's just, when shit really hits the fan, things will likely be so dysfunctional and miserable that I don't know if people are going to even be able to have the presence of mind to adopt a smart alternative. It's probably a good time for theorists to begin conceiving the best guesses of how things will be looking 70 years down the road (and I would recommend Neoreactionaries get real and acknowledge the reality of climate change and the societal impact it will have) and conceiving strategic models for those situations, so it can be done as effectively and cleanly as possible.
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>>7572585
Neoreaction - in some of its aspects - is probably the most on-point and sane outlook at this time. And they have a much, much more informed understanding of geopolitics than progressives do, who pretty much only focus on certain theoretical texts and Western social matters, all of which don't speak to - or even have an averse impact on - things developing .

Progressives are still hung up on how they think things should be, and try to control the way people talk in order to bring that vision about (as if not discussing reality directly will change it), Reactionaries face the way things are. I'm not saying their response or attitude is always good - I don't actually agree with them on probably 70% of their ideas and sentiments, but I find them much more useful for getting a clear account of world events.
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>>7572942
You have a lot to experience still, kid.
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>>7572912
NRx doesn't predict a total collapse, rather that the fissures in American society are getting wider (and they definitely are, the USG is currently in a civil war with itself) and this situation should be encouraged
America is very very sick at the moment
>>7574598
Climate change would probably fall under the Great Filter
Climate change is also a dead issue at the moment and will likely stay that way until people actually start drowning
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To understand Evola you must read Guenon
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>>7575351
>>7575353
>>7575356
>>7575358
>>7575364
>>7575368
>>7575386
>>7575394
>>7575401
literally all me
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>>7575353
>he acts like an impotent cuck
>because people on the internet call his bluff
wew
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>>7575553
Welcome to /lit/. Have you posted about Pynchon today?


Can anyone else recommend dank obscure shit like Evola, weininger, etc?
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>>7575394
immaterial ontologies
bahahahahahhahaha

yeah no there's no ascending with him read some worthwhile literature
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>>7575840
>immaterial ontologies

what are you even blithering about. And totes bro if only he spent more time on the /lit/ starter pack
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>>7575846
EVOLA
V
O
L
A

This poster is congenitally fucking blind to relative association in discourses - especially oxymorons.

I asked for ethnographic work from anthropologists not far up and someone takes it to mean studies in ethnicity it's like, really tho.
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>>7575853
Epic reddit burn, except immaterial ontologies makes no fucking sense in reference to evola and only betrays the fact you haven't read him, like all the other memekids itt
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>>7575863
It was in reference to the poster who is supposed to have "read him"; which betrays the fact that even the retards who post here haven't understood him...or maybe his philosophy makes no - sense?
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>>7575867
His philosophy makes perfect sense, not my problem you can't hack it
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>>7568653
principled action without attachment
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>>7575874
>Yeah I don't see why anybody else is having with universal writings
It's like are you really though
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>>7575881
You're incoherent. Make an argument or kindly take the first bus back to reddit
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>>7575884
Sorry, must have been the Evola.
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>tfw Evola is our great philosopher
>tfw kikes and their sjw minions are terrified
>tfw the day of the rope is on the horizon and we western men will ride the tiger to it

It feels good. It feels very good to know that the real cleansing is coming.
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>>7575885
XD

Epic!!!
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>>7575890
You sound angry. Are you okay?
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>>7575797
You might like Ortega or Spengler. Heck, you might even be interested in Novatore if you want to go in the opposite direction.
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>>7575899
Been reading Spengler actually. Dank af. Will check out those authors, thank you boss
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>>7575888
We still have at least another century of Kali Yuga and the new golden age will most likely not be the cate system Evola fetishizes. Technological progression will ensure that. It is more likely that we will arrive at a stateless, classless, moneyless society with a life affirming culture akin to the pre-Socratic Greeks.
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>>7575899
What are you reading by him?

Just a heads up, Novatore is a bit of an odd one out amongst those guys. Where Evola read Nietzsche and decided to go to the far right, Novatore did the opposite and became an anarchist. I think it's interesting to compare the two.
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>>7575908
I highly doubt that.

For in another century the western world will be filled with people of no discernible race and will have no connection to god nor tradition. Only the state. A perfect slave race society.

The day of the rope must occur in this century or all is lost.
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>>7575926
What aspect of it are you having trouble with?
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>>7575919
>he used words that remind me of Chad mommy waaahhhh
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>mfw the pure concentrated retardation in this thread
>mfw probably 1% of posters here have even read a work by Evola, and those probably didn't understand it because they didn't read the works he references
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>>7575930
>Your saint is lost to a history it can't properly reflect on within the focus of the canon of your orthodox.

"Because the philosophy of those thinkers posted in this thread is so limited, the (general) comprehension of history by use of their thought is limited; yet still, the very thinker idolized - Evola - exists as part of this history it cannot properly reflect on. The loss of the saint is thus unknown".
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>>7575922
Nietzsche predicted that the peak of western nihilism will be in 200 years and that was a century ago. From the perspective we have right now, which is what should be the halfway point, I think that we are not deep enough into dissolution to begin rising back up. In small groups and individuals? Yes. As a whole? No. The Brave New World society you predict could potentially be what we will have to rebel against.

How do you think modernity can be undone within the decades to come? I can't see anything in the near future happening. The right is filled with plebeian nationalists and the left is filled with spineless SJWs.
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>>7575937
I was the guy itt answering questions about transcendence. I guarantee I got a better grasp of the material than you
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>>7575962
Don't let my diction fool you. I've been putting this stuff into practice since I started.
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>>7575952
That brave new world society is being created in front of your eyes today. Multiculturalism in all western nations is being pushed harder than ever before with forced immigration and constant waves of propaganda in every form of media.

Many western nations have lost their capital cities to these migrants. It is all in an effort to breed out tradition and history in order to create a race that is easier to control. A race with nothing to rely on or call to other than the state.

>How do you think modernity can be undone within the decades to come?

Blood and thunder. That is the only way. Other than that humanity will suffer from a silent slavery until we hand off consciousness to sentient life that we create.

Also nationalism is a good way to keep humanity alive. For it breeds competition against other countries. It spurs technological progress and efficiency.

Globalization is death to free men. It is death to the dream of touching the face of god and exploring the cosmos.
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>>7575971
Like your first sentence was good but your second as just all lmao okay he doesn't understand fuck
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>>7575976
That's because I skimmed over your response :^)
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>>7575971
I agree that nationalism is good but I think we should differentiate between a healthy nationalism and a pleaibian nationalism. Both value their people but plebs tend to worship the state, are distracted by scapegoats (the jooos), and have trouble understanding deeper ideas that are associated with the right. Limbaugh is a pleaibian nationalist. Spengler is the good kind of nationalist.

Can you elaborate on your blood and thunder? That doesn't really sound like a strategy.
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>>7575986
That wasn't me
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>>7575976
But I believe to compare Nietzsche's time frame to Evola's time frame for predictions isn't the right way to go.

We are well past the halfway point.

I believe that society is reaching a boiling point where large scale uprising will occur in western nations.

Small groups are bursting into into larger and larger catalysts for revolt because of how easy it is to communicate with each other in this era.
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>>7575995
>We are well past the halfway point.
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>>7575990
Figured.

I guess he didn't like that I said that naughty word multiculturalism.
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>>7569173
Sounds like Disney liberalism desu. Far inferior to NRx.
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>>7575997
I don't think so. The deconstruction of gender has only just begun entering the mainstream and the deconstruction of morality surrounding sex and nation have only become solidified in the past 30 or so years.
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>>7575987
I completely agree with your assessment of the difference between a pleb nationalist and a sound one.

But the problem is that you need to have the pleb nationalists be your front line and then breed them out by educating their children to be individualistic and set up programs for them similar to what Gadaffi did.

>Can you elaborate on your blood and thunder? That doesn't really sound like a strategy.

False flag a massacre then either convince the military to defend its people by deposing the sitting government or sway the people towards a massive armed revolt.
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>>7575983
My fault bruh. Based on your posting style I think we've been on the same side this whole time
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>>7576002
Disney liberalism? lol have you even read Evola?
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>>7576005
Which only aids into destroying the family structure and the fall of whites in western society. Which then leads to the mixing of the races and creating the mud people.
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>>7572824
NRx isn't right-accelerationism, and NRx don't really see themselves as advocates, more as adherents to an analytic method. The more sensible of the NRxers doubt bicameralism etc could possibly come off pre-singularity, making it only a hypothetical ideal against which to compare. But most are right-accel, yeah, and Clinton is the accelerationist ticket, you're right.
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>>7576017
Not a word of him, but I will if you can convince me he's not just a shill for 'the power of belief', run through a gritty academic filter.
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>>7576047
Read the big academic-sounding posts itt to disabuse yourself of the notion Evola is right-wing Oprah
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>>7576070
And then realize he was a delusional Italian homosexual.
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>>7576080
Please tell me more about this author you've never read
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>>7576089
You've been posting this for the entire thread. Are you alright? Do you need help?
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>>7576100
Why are you mad he's been helpful? He's one of the only people in this thread that tried to answer the questions I had.
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>>7576168
I'm not the one repeating myself again and again tho (lmao)
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>>7576176
No, it's all the other memekids strutting in here to lay epic buzzfeed burns on an author they only understand through /pol/ caricatures who've been repeating themselves
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>>7576190
>Waaaaah my thread got trashed
>It's your guys fault for not discussing him properly

It's like take some time out and think about your actions.
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>>7568653
Why ain't I seeing Titus Bruckhardt, both Ananda & Rama Coomarasany and Seyyed Hossein Nasr in those traditionalist threads?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Burckhardt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananda_Coomaraswamy
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama_Coomaraswamy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hossein_Nasr
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>>7576194
What? No. I just like calling people out on their shit. In fact, I wish you would disagree with me, as long as you brought good arguments to the table, and not kiddie shit.

>>7576195
Word thanks for posting bro
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>>7576070
I'm not the guy you've hereon been replying to, but I will say: the 'I-that-is-I' post I replied to at first was one of those.
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>>7573743
this is what is known as autism - someone who is misusing and misaligning words inadvertently, though i think he (or xe, it's a sissy communist) is trying to sound intellectual despite communism being the ideology for brainless and soulless materialist mass men
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>>7576264
It's only your particular cynical biases that reads "strive for the best version of yourself" as saccharine Oprah shit, especially when Evola makes no secret his disdain for sentimentalism and superficial, emotional spiritualism
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REMINDER THAT EVOLA, GUENON AND ALL OTHER "RIGHT WING" 'THINKERS' ARE FAGGOT GAY SHIT

all you need is William Pierce, lads
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>>7576275
He likes good spiritualism not the gay kind
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>>7572646
there never was a libertarian /pol/ you tool

maybe on /new/, not on /pol/
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>>7576275
All you're describing at the end there's the mechanism of the grit-filter. Believing in transcendent, absolute selves and the possibility of objective, categorical purpose in self-actualisation is hippy-tier; it's pop-philosophy; it's McDonald's campaigned as 'How very unMcDonald's'. Continentalism stripped of its pathos and process, with just the conclusions sans the working-out remaining, then repackaged as rigorous analytics. The dude's got to face the void at some point.
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>>7576317
>le pop philosophy meme

Everything you don't like is pop philosophy, mhm. Cite passages, make arguments, reveal the flaws in his reasoning, or go back to reddit.
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>>7576313
le im noo here meme

americans are awake lads
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>>7576749
Valuable contribution.
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>>7568653
I'd just like to first postulate that there is a strong effort, organized effort at that to discredit and weakened the rise of right wing groups on various sites across the internet. so Threads like this are drowned in shitposting with some genuine interest in between the rest. The reason they use this fedora imagery stuff is because it is supposed to associate certain thoughts and the imagery at hand. It is the same reasoning as enlightening people to philosophy through art.

At least from my perspective, evola is popular with the NRx crowd because he is essentially the most right wing thinker one can find. He is entirely aristocratic. For him, the bourgeois have been utterly destructive of society.

It has to be remembered that he comes from a hereditary line of people born to rule, whom nature evolved towards the traits which are needed to rule. People who were once given the privileges, responsibilities and expectations of leadership. He is essentially butthurt with the state of order in fascist Italy. To him, it is the rule of the bourgeios and petty men. His ideas are almost entirely alien to the 21st century, and that is part of his attraction.

Considering that essentially liberalism and marxism have achieved cultural victory and we now live in a culturally left wing capitalist society, orientated around the masses in which there is only the state in people's lives, in which many of us find great unease.

Evola shows something so entirely alien that it attracts such movements as NRx.

Even then though, neo-reactionaries are also rather delusional. The fundamental truth of our age is that politicization is the only major development which can happen within our society. The growth of government action in response to the failures of society and the enormous problems we face. Has anyone noticed the increasing movement towards leadership of nations by the executive and in particular by a single man? Or the fact that modern globalism and economic connection renders an extraordinary centralizing power into the hands of high finance.

The truth is that the Nrx are entirely irrelevant unless they can found a new Singapore, which I highly doubt. Maybe some of their ideas, like the circle of state might be of use. Otherwise, it is the posturing of men who believe in their own superiority and not in the noblesse oblige.
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>>7577873
>a hereditary line of people born to rule, whom nature evolved towards the traits which are needed to rule

just as i would have society be structured. Evola is my bro.
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>>7568653
the taste of fascist boipussy
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>>7577518
American spotted
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>>7572907
Antinatalism is degenerate. There, 1 picked.
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>>7569025
>tiger saddles
"Ride The Tiger" was shit, like all of Evola's post-WWII works. The crippling wounds he received in the service of the SS changed his outlook for the worse. He lost sight of the truth he'd grasped earlier in life and succumbed to a sort of idealized defeatism.

"Revolt Against the Modern World" is all you need of Evola.
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>>7568968
>he believes in some weird stuff. I don't totally understand that aspect of his philosophy.
I used to feel that way, but came to realize that Evola's belief in magic and the gods is really central to his whole philosophy and its absence from the writings of other reactionaries of the time is why they haven't had the lasting impact that Evola has had.

A secular traditionalism can only ever be a hollow and nostalgic thing. In the era they look back to, kings ruled by divine right and societies were animated by the belief that our lives and our civilizations were more than just material things.

Without that, the argument between tradition and progressive liberalism is little more than an aesthetic choice, and the position of traditionalists becomes untenable.
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>>7577873
>Has anyone noticed the increasing movement towards leadership of nations by the executive and in particular by a single man?
I think the upcoming is going to be a great signal for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpof96pVx-c
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>>7579190
You are entirely right in this stuff. But people have wrongly interpreted how this new imperium will be achieved.

It will not be a military conqueror, but it will be a man of high finance. Consider it this way.

The interconnection of the internet, the development of globalism, the increasing financializiation of western life provide the tools for the new caesars.

You can sit in your mother's basement and trade stocks at the speed of light, growing great wealth without actually working. However, the real mastery of finance is in algorithmic trading which allows one to automate the making of money. Traditionally, pensions funds, mutual funds and other methods of massive money investment were based on the manual investment of stocks, commodities and currencies to make generally slow growing and continual profits. But there have recently been developed asymmetric methods for trading with minimal risk and great profit. But the far more interesting side is the development of geometric investment and market making, in which one can become so wealthy that they can make or break markets entirely.

We will likely see a speculator caesar, who financially destroys other speculators, probably through actively murdering them. He will institute universal basic income, probably based off the profits made from his massive wealth to create work and make himself incredibly popular. I suspect he will also exterminate academics, because the marxist orthodoxy of the academics is a real threat through ideological perversion.

Whilst the decline of family, church and community are the major issues of this time. Mass immigration is also part of this, but relatively isn't an issue. I'll explain how these problems will be politicized and 'solved'.

Mass immigration is here to stay, but he will cut a line which says "westernize or fuck off". He will probably ban islam due to its illiberal and absolute nature. He will most likely attempt to reinstitute the family through the state, likely because of technological unemployment, using it to reduce the ability of women to work as a part of natalist policies. Without a welfare bureaucracy and with the end of the democracy, women don't have the same advantages they have now and will quickly find themselves servile again.

He will likely move towards a force based authority for religion as a method to westernize non-westerners. He will likely engage in massive military campaigns to stabilize other nations. He will likely semi-annex the anglosphere through a common cultural connection.
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>>7574821
Otto Weininger is a good option too.
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>>7579749
>>7577873
You sound batshit fucking insane.
Read a book that falls outside the stratosphere of your synagogue's scripture.
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>>7580113
u wot m9
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>>7580113
Nice way to discredit it my shill friend.
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>>7578293
Nope.
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>>7575943
If his works aren't understandable on their own then he's a bad writer
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>>7581067
>this is what plebs actually believe.
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>>7570342
That is quite the collection, nice work
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>>7573225
Great explanations anon, you really know your stuff. Steppenwolf by Hesse is also full of similar ideas, its worth checking out. It helped me grasp a lot of Evola's ideas
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>>7581067

>Joyce is a bad writer
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>>7572907
Do you understand what the word degenerate means? Antinatalism is literally the most degenerate thing imaginable.
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>>7581560
Didn't Evola believe that Joyce was a bad writer?
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>>7576195
Because Burckhardt and Nasr are Muslim and /pol/fags don't want to get called cucks for reading them (but they'll mention Guenon even though he was a Muslim with a bunch of half-Arab kids).

As for the Coomaraswamys, they aren't mainstream enough for /pol/ to have heard about.
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>>7581649
Evola also believed Antlanteans and Hyperboreans were real.
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>>7581716
tl;Dr on their views or titles of their best works, excepting guenon who I already know about? I plan on picking their books up soon
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>>7581716
This. It's also why they never talk about Tage Lindbom even though he wrote some excellent works on why democracy and leftism are bullshit (far superior to anything produced by Neoreaction). Admitting that a Swedish Muslim convert had better right wing thoughts than them kind of fucks with their ideology.
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>>7581730
you're trying to tell me they weren't?
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>>7581739
Burckhardt wrote little on politics, but he has some great work on the esoteric meanings of alchemy and astrology (well in line with Evola's work), and the spiritual significance of traditional art.

I'd recommend his Introduction to Sufi Doctrine and Sacred Art in East and West. All of Burckhardt's books are good, but those two give a good overview of what he's about. His book on alchemy is great as well.

As for Nasr, his work is too vast to summarize, but he furthers Guenon and Schuon's critique of modern with his vast erudition and truly impressive knowledge of eastern and western philosophy. He's probably the most intelligent and most philosophically aware of the Traditionalists.
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>>7581777
why is there a Celtic symbol on that slave?
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>>7581785
Awesome bro, and I love Sufism too. Will check out, thank you
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>>7581793
What, you've never heard of the Vikings before?

Iron Pill is just about to sell that dirty Celtic bitch to some Arab slave traders, just like his ancestors did.
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>>7581809
What is iron pill? It sounds stupid. Is it stupid?
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>>7582467
>What is iron pill?
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>>7582467
>>7582512
Sounds you haven't contacted Mother Europa latey.
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>>7582467
Everything you need to know.
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>>7584178
this is not bad as far as macros go but you should read early nick land
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