>>7567842 I mean in terms of when they preach slavery. If a person writes about a time someone spewed obscenities towards them unprovoked for the purpose of envoking an emotional response then they are completely warranted to describe their feelings during the situation and in hindsight; but when you have youthful negros alive today speaking about how they were apart of race riots and acting as it they themselves were forced to pick cotton, then it becomes a problem. They become slaves to invisible masters, and not even a slave is worthy of death.
>tfw reading mostly standard canon Western literary fiction >I really am reading mostly dead white men >last book by a woman I read was Tuchman's book about the 14th century like two years ago >read plenty of Middle Eastern/East Asian lit but almost nothing by Africans other than the Yams trilogy >almost no contemporary lit Do I just have a specific taste in literature or is tumblr right and am I really acting on unconcious biases?
>>7567901 >It's hard to imagine never reading Morrison, Dumas, Fanon, Walker, Hurston, Angelou, Baldwin, Ellison, or Hughes
They're all shit, being taught in school because of cultural marxism, to get white kids to entertain the notion of treating blacks like equals and hence engage in interracial relationships to breed out whiteness.
>>7567887 Reading isn't like playing a video game and it requires effort. It's also important to find something worthwhile to read because it's so time consuming and mentally engaging. So looking for quality literature in classics is a natural way to go. Old literature has been tested by time and found worthy. It's also culturally relevant and improves your level of education.
>>7567901 I've read Morrison, Walker, Hurston, Angelou, and Hughes in American public high school, and I can say with confidence that they were a waste of my time. If somebody never got around to reading them, it would be to their eductational benefit
>>7567842 I'm skeptical by default of anyone who writes a Black Oppression novel today, and I'm skeptical of anyone who gives those works undue praise. It's the literary equivalent of Oscar bait - it's quick way of cashing in for some sympathy points.
Joyce's cultural environment was different - he wasn't trying to exploit a popular interest in Irish culture and history. (Maybe someone will tell me I'm wrong here)
>>7567982 It also helps that as an American living in today's cultural environment, I have much less exposure to Irish history and culture. Whereas with black history and culture, I've been told for years that black history and art is very interesting and important, and white people did such evil things to black people and don't you feel bad about that, and black people have such good music and they're so funny, and it would really help if you could set aside your white privilege for a second and donate to this black woman's patreon.
>>7568183 England didn't have a huge need for slaves due to the lack of plantations etc, most slaves were sent across to the new world where Irish wouldn't have been treated nearly as badly as black slaves.
>>7568289 >easily overcome economic disadvantage >easily overcome subpar school systems >easily overcome living in an area where the best way to feed yourself is to deal drugs >easily overcome not having access to a car, positive mentorship, or a steady income >easily overcome being raised by a single parent or grandparent who has to work two or three minimum wage jobs just to get by.
As the Irish naturalized (assuming you're speaking about America), they were no longer considered "Irish" and they started being considered "White." They were no longer kept out of the institutions they were once excluded from, and they were, by most intents and purposes, indistinguishable from Anglo whites.
>>7568136 Person a) was oppressed less and produced less and acts like a bunch of apes in western societies a lot more than should be the case. So oppression isn't an exucse for much really. >>7568211 The English hated the Irish a lot more than they did with blacks. They had it worse.
>>7568453 You fucking retard cuck, Irish were literally sent down into tunnels with dynamite and only a shovel to cover their face when it was set off.
Drinking was a massive problem in their communities and the money does not even stay in the neighborhood like it does with drugs.
They overcame prejudice at a time all the whiny shit you talk about would not even be within their wildest dreams. They picked themselves up as a people, which blacks just don't.
Irish becoming "white" only happened after they fixed their problems, and they felt the same institutionalized prejudices while that process was occurring and for a long time afterwards. >implying you can't tell the Irish apart from whites. You are just glazing over history. Asian people also integrated and are accepted by society and they faced worse discrimination and had lower populations than blacks. They had less support and still succeeded. Are you going to make the argument that you cant tell if someone is asian?
Skin color is not an explanation. Lack of opportunity is not a total explanation.
>>7568464 >10 white people to one black person an office >White people placed throughout the company's power structure >People with "black names" less likely to be hired, despite qualifications http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html >Blacks without criminal records are only as likely to be hired for some jobs as white ex-cons http://paa2005.princeton.edu/papers/50874 >Because white people know more white people than anyone else, nepotism between whites happens all the time >"Bu-bu-bb-buh blacks have it easy! Affirmative Action!"
>>7568418 It is at least partly heritable. Sub-Saharan Africans are evolved to thrive in a different environment; allowing them to live in white post-industrial society (as citizens) is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
>>7568514 No its not because people with similar conditions and similar racism have gotten out of it.
Blacks undoubtedly fave racism, but they crumple under it instead of coming together and rising as a people, as Irish, Italians, Indians, Asians, previous middle eastern migrant people did.
I've even been to Nigeria because my GF is black as the night, and her father gave me a good long talking to about why when black people succeed the first thing they do is GTFO of the black community.
Its not a actual genetic-race issue, but it is a cultural-race issue. Black culture is cancerous. Blacks commit more crime to their own people, to others regardless of their background or socioeconomic class. They commit more crime than any other group even when controlled for their adversities.
If you made the entire black population of any ghetto asian but kept the "lack of opportunity and racism" they face the same they would be functioning within 1-2 generations.
>>7568524 >Believing that the parties aren't the same, despite equivalent qualifications, There a cultural and linguistic differences between black and white Americans that could a white employee more valuable than a black applicant with greater qualifications. Often times double standards, like in this case, are based solely on delusion.
>>7568562 >Discrimination upon the basis of race is fundamentally unjust and has no place in a decent society. Why?
You need to actually argue, you spoiled nignog. I'm not your homo-ass TA who sucks your dick for being o-pressed and writing about how o-pressed you are and how nothing is your fault ever and you deserve everything. >>7568577 fo a cap nigga
>>7568562 Nobody is arguing that discrimination is good; the argument has been, and has always been, that similar groups have faced equal or worse discrimination and have overcome it, and that there is no total expiation for the lack of black peoples ability to make headway as a community to be found in pure racism/oppression.
I find it funny that this straw man about "it's so easy to say when it does not effect you" is always leveled at any criticism like its only white people saying this shit. Ask any brown/indian/asian cap driver what he thinks, who runs without paying, who makes a mess. Why is it that businesses in black areas are run by other minorities.
Black people who are out of black cultures behave normal. Black ghettos are the worst always. Period. In any country.
>>7568580 >Why? Because race in and of itself is arbitrary and has nothing to do with experience or qualifications.
>You need to actually argue, you spoiled nignog. I'm not your homo-ass TA who sucks your dick for being o-pressed and writing about how o-pressed you are and how nothing is your fault ever and you deserve everything.
Looks like someone's flustered that a black guy got a higher grade on a paper than he did.
>>7568573 IT depends on how you feel about equality. From the perspective of a company, not a having a certain name or not speaking a specific dialect could be an asset in and of itself.
>>7568562 >Discrimination upon the basis of race is fundamentally unjust On what basis? > no place in a decent society. What if such acts could allow them to better society as a whole?
>I always find it funny that the people who don't have a problem with it aren't affected by it. Perhaps it gives them a greater sense of objectivity on the matter. At least they don't see themselves as so important that actions taken against them aren't a violation a a greater and likely arbitrary moral principle.
>>7568610 >Because race in and of itself is arbitrary and has nothing to do with experience or qualifications. Why is this bad? >Looks like someone's flustered that a black guy got a higher grade on a paper than he did. Nope, I'm also not in school you assumptuous nignog. The only blacks that go to school here are directly from Africa and are actually intelligent and hardworking, African Americans and refugees meanwhile just smoke weed. play basketball, and make everywhere they live uninhabitable.
>>7568562 >I always find it funny that the people who don't have a problem with it aren't affected by it.
Almost like how the people claiming discrimination and racism directed toward their collective is responsible for their shortcomings and therefore it's white people's responsibility to elevate them are invariably black.
>>7568610 >Race is arbitrary and has nothing to do with experience or qualifications >makes an argument about why race matters and why he needs to be treated differently because of it and why white people must take responsibility because of some aggregate data about discrimination
It's so weird how people who won't shut the fuck up about "institutionalized racism" suddenly become staunch individualists when it comes to the actions and capabilities of minorities.
>>7568710 >Making the argument that they would have been good if they had more isn't justice, its holding justice hostage.
No. It's common sense.
Look. I'm not saying that a black person who committed a punishable offense shouldn't face punishment because they're black.
I'm saying that certain economic and racial conditions create an environment that breed a certain type of individual. I want to change those conditions so that fewer of those individuals are produced (and primarily to promote a more just society)
>>7568780 >you're illiterate Said the one who doesn't know how to be even remotely objective, logical, or civil. >WHAT I LIKE IS JUST >EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS UNJUST >IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOUR WRONG >IM SMART GUYS IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARENT SMART
>>7568706 >My people have a right to advocate for laws out of self-interest and tribalism >your people don't have a right to not wish to accommodate us on everything or deny anything when we blame you because of historical injustices, it's just the facts and justice >oh btw race is arbitrary and we're all individuals xD
>>7568942 i have yet to hear a single person who's actually read martinson use this argument
there was absolutely nothing undesrving about giving aniara a nobel prize.
i'm not familiar with johnson and i dont claim the academy is perfect, but 1. they're not electing "best author of all time" 2. they're drawing attention/giving recognition to generally good/worthwhile authors 3. they have very few misses, especially after the first couple decades of "formative years" 4. the "nameless scandinavian" meme is fucking stupid and ignorant, and they award a hell of a less awards to scandinavians than american/british press would have you believe
>>7569063 I'm not sure if reading it in translation would would change my mind. I wasn't even trying too bash their work. My only claim is that Morrison is not the least deserving recipient of that award.
>>7570649 he wanted to get away from Ireland as quickly as he could. I don't think he ever moved there again after 1914. He just wrote about it because he knew about it and knew that conflicts like that happened all over
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