I've read a bit of Crime and Punishment before losing my copy and enjoyed it quite a bit, and seeing as I had a copy of The Idiot I decided to read it too, but I'm about 100 pages in and it's incredibly dull. Does it get any better? Note, I'm not all that familiar with Dostoyevsky's works, so don't call me a faggot or anything.
>>7563656 I just finished TBK yesterday. I'm already planning on coming back to it after reading more of Dostoevsky's work. There's no way I fully appreciated it, the only other thing I've read by him was The Double.
>>7563716 It's not that I find the fact that "nothing really happens" so to speak boring, but in culmination with the incredibly long Russian names and vague relationships to one another makes it a bit confusing, but maybe I am just too pleb for it. I started reading it and stopped, then picked it up a couple of months later, having forgotten a good deal of the relationships between the characters, maybe that's my problem? Anyway, if you really think it's not for me based on so little I suppose I just won't read it.
>>7563699 It is pretty shit, but weirdly I just picked it up again & am enjoy the second half much more. I did some simple web-level secondary reading before the second try, which paid off a bit I guess.
>>7563727 >>7563752 A lot of the book flounders to build up characters and relations. I mean, even after the first half can't you perfectly picture the Prince and Natasya and Rogozin? They're all such well-realized characters and completely believeable.
This 'floundering' gets paid off in a few really incredibly scenes at the end.
For those who have read it, I think the part where the three young nihilhists come in and accuse Myshkin of whatever it is is unforgettable. The way slowly, over the course of the conversation, everyone (even his friends) turn on him is so terrifying because the Prince is just trying to be the best he can be but it's almost repulsive to just about everyone there
The Idiot is definitely worth finishing, I think. There's a couple of other fantastic scenes in there
>>7563585 No need to reaD THE NVELS OF THIS RUSSIAN VODKA MAN it is that thet are akk trasnkations and not worh without proper understanding of russian literature, so get a copy where bofth, so you can maybe see prose fidddferences, other wise you should stick to jams joyce
>>7563866 I was asking for your literary reasons list. Still haven't gotten it. Try to avoid the point of my posts but if you have no reasons behind the list in the order how to read this author you can fuck off and die in a ditch.
>>7563866 >>7563879 LISTM can be fun but careful tot to fall into one yourself eyou would be reduced to a number like that vanks do to you and yoy qill lose your identity, ro vur a list number dont do that
There's a certain quality in Russian literature that's not very well understood in the west, and that is Russian Inertia: The unwillingness to act, to remain stolid and unmoved in the face of events, which for Russians has many sources, but most intriguingly as a form of protest against authority, against life, and against oneself. The motivation being that situations can be overcome by waiting them out, using boredom and malaise as strategic principles, even if you die while doing so.
>>7563927 >MacAndrew IN STARTING out on the life of my hero, Alexei Fyodorovich Karamazov, I feel somewhat at a loss. By this I mean that, although I refer to Alexei (Alyosha) as my hero, I am well aware that he is by no means a great man, and this leads me to anticipate such obvious questions as: “What is so remarkable about your Alexei Karamazov that you should choose him as your hero? What exactly did he accomplish? Who has heard of him and what is he famous for? And why should I, the reader, spend time learning the facts of his life?” >Avsey EVEN as I begin to relate the life story of my hero, Aleksei Fyodorovich Karamazov, I feel somewhat perplexed. The reason is this: although I refer to Aleksei Fyodorovich as my hero, I know very well that he is by no means a great man, and I foresee inevitable questions such as: What makes this Aleksei Fyodorovich so special; why have you chosen him as your hero? What exactly has he done? Who has heard of him, and in what connection? Why should I, the reader, spend my time studying the history of his life? >P&V Starting out on the biography of my hero, Alexei Fyodorovich Karamazov, I find myself in some perplexity. Namely, that while I do call Alexei Fyodorovich my hero, still, I myself know that he is by no means a great man, so that I can foresee the inevitable questions, such as: What is notable about your Alexei Fyodorovich that you should choose him for your hero? What has he really done? To whom is he known, and for what? Why should I, the reader, spend my time studying the facts of his life?
>>7563596 Wrong. >Notes >CP >TBK >the idiot >demons TBK and CP should necessarily be read one after the other, with CP being first as to antiquated you with his writing style before finishing his MO TBK. The idiot and demons are complimentary Dostoyevsky reading.
>>7564482 It's when you're met with such an overwhelming exertion to move in a certain way that if you were to allow yourself the slightest motion, even if intended for resistance, you're forced into submission. So you resist in the only means available, you plant yourself down and refuse.
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