Does /lit/ read comic books/graphic novels?

Manga is lovely.

Later Maruo stuff is shit.

They should take all the graphics out of a graphic novel and print just the words in standard book format. Then just about anyone would be able to see how weak the writing is, how it doesn't even amount to being a short story and how hackneyed the plot is. No one reads graphic novels, they look at the pictures.

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>/lit/ is one person

Many of us do, but it's difficult to get a conversation about them off the ground without someone angrily yelling about it being off-topic, which is true but it's not as if /co/ wants to talk about Alison Bechdel.

http://studygroupcomics.com/main/haunter-part-1-by-sam-alden/
^Read this please, it's very good.

>>7562071
No one here should want to talk about her either

>>7562070
man wth the graphics and the writings are complementary

>>7562080
In the same way peanuts in a bar are complimentary and not just a bait and switch to make you drink more. The words are there to make the pictures clearer and easier to digest they are the secondary purpose of the 'novel'.

>>7562100
bait

>>7562070
Same is true for literally all popular music lyrics

>>7562047
I do

Been reading Suehiro Maruo and Junji Ito, kinda feel like getting back to Enki Bilal's stuff if I can get it. Also, anyone able to point me to a place where I can find scans of Jodorowsky's comics? Overpriced as shit.

Also I'd like to hear what people think about Tsutomu Nihei and Transmetropolitan, I remember asking a while back and not getting much of an answer, memes notwithstanding

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comics can be fun yeah

>>7562071
>http://studygroupcomics.com/main/haunter-part-1-by-sam-alden/
Thanks familia

>>7562126
>>7562071
That comic was dumb lol

Hellblazer has a bit more substance than the average non literary release. I enjoy it.

Hellboy is good, great artwork and cool lore
Watchman is pretty nice I guess
I liked Scott Pilgrim and Full Metal Alchemist as a teenager

I don't see myself reading comics any time in the future tho

>>7562071
That fishy statue of liberty is dumb to miss her repeatedly at such a close range. They're both dumb for letting their bowstrings get wet.

Nice colours though.

Sequential art is a legitimate form of storytelling but it's just as not developed as writing, or even film. I seriously recommend looking up the methods of Watchmen people often miss, it's considered symetry and colour

>>7562047
Carl Barks and Don Rosa are pretty neato. Same goes for Hergè and Uderzo/Goscinny.

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>>7562047
It has to be a well established classic like Watchman or Preacher or something, I dont just read new stuff for fun.

Pic related is one of the best books I ever read.

>>7562115
I read all of "Blame!" and liked it. Odd because the dialogue was extremely sparse and what there was of it was hackneyed exposition but the mood of the drawings carries it all along anyway.

>>7562159
Hellblazer is great. Probably my favorite comic

The manga Berserk by Kentaro Miura is the greatest comic ever made.

>>7563176
I mean, compared to it, Cerebus is just the second greatest comic, and by some distance. THAT's saying something.

I'm reading Akira Vol. 1 now but it's more my interest in the art than the literature. In fact a lot of my reading is more founded in my interest in visual art(being an artist myself) than in literature itself.

>>7562942
10/10 art, but the story really goes nowhere, and the characters get almost no development.
Sidonia feels the opposite but I couldn't get the hang of it either.

>>7563176
Ending never ever

>>7563205
Seriously, there have to be like at least 100 chapters left

I like manga more than American comics but both mediums are nice. I've got Black Hole by Charles Burns and A Drifting Life by Yoshihiro Tatsumi on my backlog to read. Looking forward to both.

>>7562541

Uzumaki was fun, just for the artwork in the later parts and when they get to the spiral city. You should read Gyo, I didn't think the concept of walking fish would work or Ito would make it interesting but he pulled it off quite well.

>>7562047
>>>/co/
>>>/a/

>>7563240
Like those boards want to discuss literary comics?

>>7563247
They are, in fact, willing to discuss the comics people brought up in this thread. Except maybe Tatsumi.

>>7563247
>>7563257
I've actually had threads deleted on /co/ back then because they weren't about capeshit or capeshit TV. I'm not even kidding. (but most of the time they're just ignored, since no one in their right mind goes to /co/ for anything but drek and wednesday storytimes)

Where's the literature?

>>7563268
>If it's not shit posting about DFW, Kafka or some dead Ruskie, it's not literature

>>7563266
pls show an example: https://desustorage.org/co/

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>not reading manga instead
disappointed in you desu senpai

>>7563301
Uh yeah they do, they have a red x on them saying they were deleted before they expired

>>7562047
No, but there is a board for you subnormals. Make use of it.

>>7563290
Between my memory and the huge post-crash gaps in that archive I don't think I could find any, but you go ahead and try to post a thread about literary elements in some comic writers or artists' works even now and see if it makes it through the couple hours to a natural death

>>7563302
looks like you have shit taste in mangaka

>>7563266
/a/ deletes Naruto threads, even though Naruto is a fucking Japanese manga.

Still doesn't change the fact that there are board for comics. this is hugely off-topic.

If on-topic threads like Naruto are deleted, why should your off topic thread remain? you shitting up the board.

>>7563211
There are like 10 demons that would take many chapters to defeat, on top of the whole Falconia city and the Elfheim part that just started.

Getting to the Griffith vs Guts fight should take like 150 chapters at the very least if he doesn't rush it or dies before that.

>>7563258
Is that death in the background?

>>7563258
Is that the frontman of the Cure in the front?

>>7563349
/a/ deletes every fucking thread i make.

>>7563362
good they're probably shitposts

>>7563366
they should delete the whole board

>>7563362
Perhaps you should lurk more

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Yes OP I do read comics
Sometimes manga too

If you're looking for one of the best comics I've read I always pick Asterios Polyp
If you want my personal favorite I have to say Ghost World

>>7563266
/co/ is just such shit though
One of the worst boards I've ever browsed

The only thing they have going for themselves is that they have an okay recommendation tumblr for people who are new to comics and just want to read the good shit
Everything else about that board is so insufferable though

>>7563350
I think if it's just a steady progression towards the end at this point with no more side stories, then it could wrap up satisfactorily in about 100 chapters.

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>>7562047
Words barely have a place in comic book. Have too much of them and you get a graphix novel like this.

Visual mediums should really cut the shit when it comes to writing.

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>>7563258
The Sandman is beautiful

>>7562071
Great, this is an example how to do storytelling in a visual medium. Thank you anon. Posts more obscure reccommendations if you wish.

>>7563408
This is what I hate about Neil Gaiman
Sometimes he just does not let the medium do the story telling for him

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>>7563413
If someone would excise all the horrible attempts at 'postmodern' Shakespeare/Crowley paraphrasing it would be decent.

>>7563419
That was Brian Talbot, but he belongs with other pretentious brit writers such as Moore, Morrison, Gaiman. Graphix novels were the worst thing to happen to comic books apart from American censorship act.

Thankfully continental Europe and especially Japan have been leaps and bounds above western trash.

>>7563350
IMO they can spend about 30-40 chapters in Elfhelm with all the main characters resolving a bunch of their problems and learning a lot of things about the world we didn't know yet, have about 10-20 chapters tying up loose ends with side characters like Rickert and the Bakiraka (maybe others?), and then have a good 40-50 chapters for the final act of the story (incl. things like flashbacks for God Hand, Skull Knight, etc.).

>>7563428
I disagree with you on Moore
He is pretentious but he still set a standard that most comic artists never attain

Also graphix were healthy in a way
It began the decensorship of comics

Besides they were basically visual novels and had about the same impact on the medium as VNs on manga

>>7563442
I'm excited to see how the time-dilation on Elfhelm affects the story. WIll rickert be a grown man by the time Guts and co get back? I'm guessing that Guts will return and lead grown up rickert and the bakiraka clan into falconia against griffith, then some demon BS will happen with skull knight and the whole city gets sacrificed. it will be soo sick dude

>>7563471
Not so sure about that last part, but I'm sure Skull Knight isn't too happy about Falconia for a couple of reasons

>>7562070
The writing doesn't need to be strong enough to stand alone. It is a graphic novel because it uses the graphics, and the artwork is as much part of the overall piece as the writing is. Moreso in most cases.

>>7563196
I think all the "characters" were subroutines in abandoned computing complex, so it made sense to me when they developed not a bit. possibly I overthought things and he just isnt a great writer.

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>>7562047
They make good coffee table books. I like looking at the art and if I have people over they might enjoy looking at it too

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>>7563741
this is a better page

>>7563741
>>7563748
what is this shit

>>7563760
Pretty sure they're from Achewood

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>>7563748
A comic vice puts out
https://www.vice.com/tag/punk%20animals

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>>7563778

>>7562071
That wasnt very good
Nicely drawn though

>>7563778
>>7563748
>>7563741
these are so fucking terrible i don't even know what to say

>>7563778
>>7563784
Yeah. This is definitely Achewood.

>>7563778
meant to reply to >>7563760

>>7562047
Basically everything under the Vertigo imprint is worth reading. Manga like Berserk, Vagabond, Eden - It's an Endless World and Planetes can be as much as - or more - satisfying than most of the fiction literature we have nowadays (and have their literary merits, of course).

>>7563792
What don't you like about them?

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anyone else here like american splendor? i feel like that comic would be a must for a lit goer. what with all the literary references

>>7563176
If you only count Golden Age then yeah

>>7563230
Black Hole is an amazing read, I come back to it once a year. I wanna read X'd out but I'm not paying £60 for three hardbacks totaling 150 pages

>>7564371
Peakar is too pathetic even for me

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>>7563467
Listen, I still love From Hell and Killing Joke is good too. Swamp Thing makes Sandman look even worse than it actually is and is a good example of how someone talented can take generic capeshit and turn it into something interesting. But as his popularity grew, so did the need to spout his solipsistic/occult mumbo jumbo and try to peddle it as an original thought. I have no idea why the whole Brit wave I mentioned ended up in post-Crowleyana, I really don't. I suggest you read the whole pic related, it's so embarrasing that I'm starting to favor Warren fucking Ellis over him.

The mad genius of comics would have been booted out of epistemology 101. Even A Camel Rides Again (which I thought was a joke for the good part of reading it) sounds like a philosophical work after Moore gives you a piece of his mind.

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>>7563176
>>7564389
In my opinion Conviction Arc is the best storyline in history of the medium and it probably transfers to the art too. Been on the steady decline since.

If you anons haven't, try Slaine because it's the Euro equivalent in terms of glorious art style.

>>7563302
>Anything but the vn
Disgusting.

>>7563392
Was Asterios autistic?

>>7565206
>and try to peddle it as an original thought
When did Moore ever do that?
Also, I fail at guessing what point of dogma of yours could be strained beyond tolerance by that pic

>>7564389
>>7565215
People only think it's on the decline because there hasn't been quite as much violence or melodrama and the character progression has been more subtle. In reality, the art is even more beautiful now than it's ever been, and the seeming relative slowness of the plot is clearly just a calm before the storm.

>>7565401
No.

>>7562115
Transmetropolitan doesn't have that great of a plot but the humor of the Hunter S. Thompsonesque main character makes it worth reading. If you're not enjoying it after a couple of issues then drop it and move on.

>>7562159
I consider Vertigo Comics to be the HBO of the comic world.

>>7565814
Meaning it's for people with conventional mediocre tastes but who want to appear more intelligent and cultured than the average person?

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>>7562047
I like Craig Thompson. He does a good job of really letting the words complement the pictures, without overdoing either one.

>>7565831
Yep, thats me douchebag.

>>7563778
tumblr tier trash

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I still re-read Batman stuff from time to time.

Other than that? No, not for years.

>>7565831
Show me better tastes.

>>7564462
X'd is good but depressing as hell. Black Hole has a little more sunshine at the end of the tunnel. If you like Burns, give Big Baby a look-see. El Borbah is also good, but a little more difficult to find.

http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=31

>>7562071
http://www.ryan-a.com/comics/nothing-is-forgotten-chapter-1.htm

>>7566615
In comics or TV shows? (neither of which is art ofc lol)

>>7566778
Jesus fuck that's hipster: the comic. Panels have no pacing compared to

>>7562071

Worst thing is when 'indie' fag tries to imitate Hollywood tearjerkers.

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>nobody reading the GOAT current mango
>all this entry level pleb shit like Clowes, Thompson, Killing Joke

>Not even mentioning Gabriel Moon and Fabio Ba, the GOAT literary comic

/lit/ truly is the pleb board

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>>7567292
Pic related, go read this now you plebs.
Still waiting on my copy of Two Brothers to come in, Ba and Moon are the GOAT

>>7563392
I remember when this came out and everyone went fucking nuts. Great book, not sure what happened to my copy, might rebuy it eventually. Did he ever do anything else?

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i read mainly Italian and French comics, some indie american comics like Stray Bullets and some manga like Wet Moon by Atsushi Kaneko.

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>>7567300
and pic related is my favorite italian author

>>7567300
Oh man, that's beautiful. Is any of his stuff translated?

Would buy for the art alone, based on this page.

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>>7567335
the page is from the comic unastoria, i think its availabe only in italian

>>7567304
>Sergio Toppi
Read his "Collector" (Le collectioneur) a couple of days ago. It's still on my desk, actually. The art was really dank, but the story was like a second-rate Corto Maltese.

>>7567540
Read Sharaz-de and Nuovo Blues, they're his best works

>>7567574
>want to search local library database to see if they are available
>database is down
fug

You're Italian, right?

>>7567610
Yep

>>7567626
Do you read Alan Ford?

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>>7567641
nope, never had the chance, but i love Magnus

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yeah i read comic books, people on /lit/ dont tend to like them because /co/ recs are really abysmal. all average as fuck stuff like hellboy, cerebus, prophet, alan moore or grant morrison

if anyone thinks comics are shit pls try these recent / current essentials
-kramers ergot (series)
-lose (series)
-1-800 MICE (graphic novel) <-- this one is very pynchonesque
-arsene schrauwen (graphic novel)
-eightball (series)
-acme novelty library (series)

>>7567669
I looked at every one of those on Google Images for about two seconds each and Cerebus is better tahn any of that shit fgt

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>>7567692
lel seriously tho check them out

>>7567300
Thank god you specified which Wet Moon.
I googled it and got some sjw diversity bullshit western comic by some other author.

>>7567717
Lol. I hate SJW's.

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>>7567298
batman year one and he had a series called rubber blanket

>>7567669
As a hipster I feel bad for not keeping track of these guys but they're just so all over the place...

They're still way millenial cartoonists though, don't shit on Moore.

>>7567744
hes average, he has made some really great comics but in every single case he was carried by a talented artist like gibbons or williams.

and no clowes and ware are not millenial cartoonists.

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Anyone read this by Gregory "Seth" Gallant?

>>7567753
Sorry. I just really fucking hate millennials. Can't get over 'em. Millennials! My God.

>>7567753
You've obviously never looked at Moore's scripts. If anything he's the one carrying artists, not the other way around, and that's why what he puts out is more than merely well-planned text partitions. What do you know of Gibbons' other works? And Williams makes no secret of who influenced his layouts, there's an anthology you can look at if you want to see the shift happen in his art for cape publishers throughout the period he worked on Promethea.

>>7567850
This
Frankly, the only thing I really don't like about Watchmen is Gibbons' stiff art style.

>>7567883
Well last night your mom really enjoyed my stiff artstyle though if u know what I'm saying

Alan Moore is better than Dostoevskij.

>>7568571
hello reddit

>>7568594
ok

>>7563795
no. it's not

does anyone care to give some manga recommendations? thanks

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>>7562047
ITT

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Ey fuccboi's, how do you keep up to date on all the shit that gets released?

I'm tired of randomly stumbling upon stuff.

>>7568571
Even Alan Moore wouldn't agree with this.

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>>7565761
>the art is even more beautiful now than it's ever been
True, the battle for Falconia didn't words.

>>7569126
Even Alan Moore wouldn't bite this bait without some self-deprecating pleasantry to justify it
what's your excuse newfags?

>>7562047
No but I want to.

>write a story
>this is shit; tl;dr; bored
>draw a story (that's modest)
>this is very good anon-kun
>/lit/

>>7562071
>Comic turns out to be based in the post-apocalypse.

I'm done. I hate those settings.

Comics can never be /lit because they are made for people who need visual stimulation with their stories. Get the FUCK. OUT.

>>7569845
So if Dostoyevski made a comic for those people, wouldn't be considered /lit/, is that what you're stating?

Tbh "Fante Bukowski" by Noah Van Sciver is a good one that i think a lot of peopleon here could relate too.

>>7568954
I know, but it's nice to see there's still someone here who reads Achewood.