Lets talk about the Bible, Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, Crime and Punishment and any other Christian literature you can think of.
I wouldn't say Dostoyevsky is trash, but I do think he can be a little heavy handed with his Christian ideology sometimes to try and make a point. The ending of Crime and Punishment made me want to puke
Does Tolstoy count as Christian? I mean in terms of his own personal theology, which was pretty idiosyncratic.
Also that pic is deeply saddening.
'We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.'
--Jonathan Swift, Thoughts on Various Subjects
Read "The Idiot"? For a bible thumper Dosto really lays out the cynicism towards Christian ideals in a secular society. Almost as if everyone is better off without any interaction with a (debatable) Divine. Maybe it was my translation, but the cruelty, muddy prose and grueling conclusion left me depressed at the idea of Christ than hopeful.
Maybe that was his point?
I don't think that a church excommunicating someone makes them not a Christian (except in the eyes of that church). But ultimately there is some criterion or line, even if it's impossible to determine on a human basis. And at least some of Tolstoy's writing would be generally considered Christian, I would think, at least in terms of aspects of Christianity it espouses or reflects.
Whatever, I'm a Christian so I get what he's trying to say I just hate those and he was saved and everything was okay forever types of endings. Seemed a little too neat and tidy for the story I had just read.
Yeah it's my favorite book of his. I kind of see it as the reversed inside out version of crime and punishment. I loved the ending of that one
He denied the divinity of Christ.
That's what automatically makes you a non Christian.
It's moralistic, with Christian morality of the time as a basis. It's not very, at least from what I've read, spiritual as in having faith, mysticism, spirituality and all that.
I liked the ending since Raskoljnikov had just about everything he needed and wanted for a decent life at that point.
Yeah I guess maybe I was a little hard on it. It honestly wasn't even that uplifting, just in contrast to the rest of the book it was. It was a little predictable though, but hey so is life
Just about anything Dostoevsky wrote after he got out of prison, really.
The Way of the Pilgrim
Herman Melville was more of agnostic, but he as very drawn to, and influence by, Christianity. Moby Dick and Clarel (an epic poem about a Christian who goes through a crisis of faith) are both very good Christian literature
Beowulf was written by a Christian and some aspects of it have been see as Christian allegory.
Jesus was pretty polite to sluts
East of Eden
A Tale of Two Cities
I really like works that try to focus on the Old Testament, since it reads more like an epic that sweeps through the history of the Israelites and then those amazing poetic, wisdom, and prophet books that give it such a grand resonance. Paradise Lost is my favorite.
just like the bible itself
remember when Lot's daughters got him drunk so they could seduce him in order to let him inseminate them?
"OF Mans First Disobedience, and the Fruit
Of that Forbidden Tree, whose mortal tast
Brought Death into the World, and all our woe,
With loss of Eden, till one greater Man
Restore us, and regain the blissful Seat,
Sing Heav'nly Muse, that on the secret top
Of Oreb, or of Sinai, didst inspire
That Shepherd, who first taught the chosen Seed,
In the Beginning how the Heav'ns and Earth
Rose out of Chaos: or if Sion Hill
Delight thee more, and Siloa's brook that flow'd
Fast by the Oracle of God; I thence
Invoke thy aid to my adventrous Song,
That with no middle flight intends to soar
Above th' Aonian Mount, while it pursues
Things unattempted yet in Prose or Rhime."
i had always heard reference to how christianity was basically neoplatonism, and always wondered how much truth there was too it
then i read augustine's confessions, and funnily enough, his moment of complete spiritual conversion to christianity is immediately preceded by him reading neoplatonist literature and getting into some kind of heavy trance and "everything finally making sense to him"
just a cool detail i guess
I say a novena everyday for the sins /lit/ commited one year ago today
Oh boy time to post my fav Christian troll image
Here of course is the representative for Protestantism.
O$teen is an utter charlatan