Sword and sorcery edition
>what are you currently reading
>favorite fantasy protagonist?
>favorite adventure story?
Just read Lud-in-the-Mist, really enjoyed it. Its kind of the Fae meets Cthulhu taking over a town. Not really sword and sorcery, very different from most fantasy I've read. Anyone else read it?
There's an entire genre of urban fantasy. You'd probably enjoy Dresden Files if you liked Artemis Fowl, maybe even Monster Hunter International. I recommended Diana Wynne Jones in the last thread, but just anything of hers especially Deep Secret, the only non-YA book she ever published. Nursery rhymes and ancient curses and a trans-dimensional magitech empire, Britishisms and sci-fi conventions and floppy-disk computer programming. Tremendously fun.
Avoid "Fantasy Kitchen Sink", don't just combine features from each and every Earth culture.
Establish the technical limits of your World, don't keep having decades upon decades of technological advancement every story that are set weeks apart.
Religion is important, establish it exists even if it doesn't feature in your story, mediaeval atheism is fucking retarded.
I've never read something so boring and Slice of Life in a book until I read it. I suppose it's dark in the sense that if you stand in the middle of a desert which has a hole in the ozone layer and hold up piece of mostly transparent plastic it's quite shady.
Hey /lit/ newfag here, just starting to rediscover my love of reading, I used to love science fiction as a kid.
I was wondering where you guys download your books, i'm trying to find childhood's end but I can't find it anywhere.
Also, any good sci-fi books you recommend?
Sorry for newfagging it up.
It's cool that you're rediscovering your love for reading. I have two questions for you.
Did you look at the OP of this general? If not, go look at the URLs there.
And how good are you with IRC commands?
OCRs are not accurate. OCR'd books are books that someone has most likely debinded (usually destroying the book in the process) and manually scanned for you so you ought to be thankful that people have put in all that effort just so someone else can read the book (not all books are published digitally.)
Second type of book is retail. These are the type that are frequently found on Bibliotik and mobilism. These types of books someone has downloaded off something like OD or bought from Amazon and removed the DRM from. These ones usually have perfect spelling.
Third type of books are non OCR'd scans. These ones are basically just scans and are often enormous in file size because each one is an image.
When people produce OCR'd ebooks normally they must read through the entire thing and ensure there are no spelling groups. Often times there isn't as much focus on quality so a lot of misspellings and such tend to result.
You can manually spell check/edit in Calibre. Proofed OCR's are usually labelled as such by the downloaders.
IRC commands in some channels are one option to get books for free. I've had some success getting some out of print genre fiction from private torrent sites.
Just be careful and double check how you're grabbing your books.
Immerse yourself in non-standard influences, or nature, and write from that. Think like that. Forget the suppositions, the morality, that powers you now, and don't just forget them in a "omg imma convert to hinduism!" kind of way, don't just try to elevate your modern thinking, do away with it. Replace it. Find the greater height - not your greater height, because we're doing away with relativism. Find what needs to be branded on the world, and write that.
It's widely considered impossible to write from the perspective of another culture because of imprinting; Religious leaders from "exotic religions" have time and time again told Westerners they'll never understand, stick with Christianity.
>The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in a desolate landscape. It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing a strange, stiff banner. The visor of this figure's helmet was entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection, and nothing more.
Please tell me BotNS is like this all the way through.
What's you favorite Comfy series /lit/? Something you go back to and re-read every year or so. I just finished re-reading the Wheel of Time series. I know it gets a lot of hate, but I just can't help but like it.
>Why are books so hard to find? I feel like an idiot but I can't find basic famous books like Childhood's end
Nigga. Just search the title, author, and "mobi epub." There's a 98% chance it will show up. That book is easy as shit to find.
>what are you currently reading
The Thing Itself
>favorite fantasy protagonist?
>favorite adventure story?
Fantasy? Uuuhh, Bridge of Birds.
I don't have a comfy series, but I have comfy authors: Jack Vance and Glen Cook. Whenever I need a break I pick up a book by either. Luckily both were very prolific, so I still have plenty of material left.
Technological advancement of any sort is not allowed in fantasy. All societies must be in a fixed state for all time.
If you aren't willing to work within the confines of the genre then fuck off and write sci-fi.
Yeah, read Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell when it was being hyped to death shortly after its publication, but it was actually a good if sometimes slow novel.
Read the Magicians Trilogy in the last few weeks for the first time, really enjoyed most of it immensely, but I got distracted a few times by the inconsistencies in "power levels" if you'll excuse my DBZ-like terminology.
I adore TWoT, no matter what everyone says. Started reading it nearly 20 years ago, stopped after Winter's Heart because I wanted to wait till the series was finished. Reread the first few a few times. Then reread the series when the last book was nearly finished by Sanderson, enjoyed the whole experience immensely.
Doesn't this just cause a whole heap of problems? they weren't able to manufacture anything close to a airship in the renaissance; If they're able to manufacture airships why wouldn't they power them by steam engine?
>they weren't able to manufacture anything close to a airship in the renaissance
Remember when I said I couldn't find a copy of Babel-17 that wasn't riddled with typos and then I said I might buy it from Amazon and upload it here? Of course you don't.
Well I did it anyway and here it is: http://libgen.io/foreignfiction/index.php?md5=ccbdc44920efe9c430b008b1b0a522a0
This one should be of a good quality, though let me know if something's wrong with it.
most recent SF/F I read was 4 of Le Guin's Hainish novels (Rocannon's World, Planet of Exile, City of Illusions, The Word for World is Forest). good but not as good as the 2 all-time classics in that series.
reading a Culture novel soon, looking forward to that
So help me out here
What would you name an organization, or guild of humans, who uniquely have a metaphysical control of time
>Avoid "Fantasy Kitchen Sink", don't just combine features from each and every Earth culture.
Basing fantasy cultures purely off existing ones without any syncretic elements is a terrible idea. Firstly, you might as well be writing historical fiction instead of fantasy, since this suggestion is such a gigantic restriction on worldbuilding.
Secondly, it can easily be alienating for audiences who feel you represent their culture poorly, as opposed to an obviously fictional country that's merely inspired by existing ones.
Thirdly, PLENTY of franchises and stories have disregarded this "rule" and are successful. Star Wars is basically a story about nazi-samurai space wizards. The Dark Tower is a fusion between the Old West and Arthurian legend. The Wheel of Time (not a series I like, but anyway) combines European, Asian and even African cultures into a single setting, the Dune series does a similar thing with a pseudo-feudal future and middle Eastern elements. Haruhi Suzumiya was popular as fuck. The Marvel and DC multiverses cover almost every topic imaginable.
>Establish the technical limits of your World, don't keep having decades upon decades of technological advancement every story that are set weeks apart.
Genuinely good advice, unless you have a story that spans generations - something that's hard to do well.
>Religion is important, establish it exists even if it doesn't feature in your story, mediaeval atheism is fucking retarded.
How is it any less retarded than the current trend of colorful polytheism in fantasy when Medieval Europe was Christian to the bone? Don't listen to this dumb faggot. Your world doesn't have to be some Tolkein-lite bullshit pretending to be hard sci-fi. If atheism, polytheism, monotheism or whatever other religious belief suits your setting, use it. It doesn't have to mimic the social trends of history on Earth.
What are some good publishing venues for scifi short stories, maybe novellas?
I'm definitely assuming the market is oversaturated to hell and back, and that any halfway-professional outlet is either drowning in submissions from fanfic authors or retooling to be an exclusively YA vampire platform.
But is there any room for a traditional pitch? Any good trade secrets or pitfalls?
I have a couple shorts and I want to try to get them published. Not really concerned about profit or fame, but building a portfolio would be nice, so I'd rather not post them on scififorums.net or something.
That's weird, it still works for me.
Try this link: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1l2bryvsdg1nark/Delany%2C_Samuel_R_-_Babel-17_%28S.F._MASTERWORKS%29_%282010%2C_Orion%2C_9780575101838%29.mobi
That worked, thanks. Not sure what was wrong with the other link but it was probably on my end.
One of these days when I finally get my ebook library organized I'll have to zip it up and upload it for you guys. It probably won't have anything you don't already have but I've enjoyed reading from it so far.
>But is there any room for a traditional pitch? Any good trade secrets or pitfalls?
You aren't going to get any where unless you suck a lot of dick.
>so I'd rather not post them on scififorums.net or something
In a earlier thread we discussed how incestuous Sci-fi publishing in the West has become and how the industry has fostered a rabid hatred of self-publishing and web novels.
>Why is that?
Prestige. "Winner of the Hugo Award, Arthur C. Clarke Award, and the BSFA Award" sounds better than "Chapters: 122, Words: 661,619, Reviews: 31,302, Follows: 15,051, hundreds of thousands of views, are you even trying Tor?"
They don't even publish China Mieville's sales figures because of how embarrassing it would be to reveal how unpopular Scifi is. Some of the most popular authors in the fucking genre have <1M lifetime sales.
So I've read The Shadow of the Torturer (in translation) and while it was OK, from threads like this I'd been expecting something better.
One thing that is bothering me is how all of the characters developed close relationships in matter of hours; it made them unbelievable. Also I'm not a fan of the world Wolfe has created. I don't dig the aesthetics of it and I don't think the magic fits is. It sure feels as if the next books would clarify a lot, but I'm not sure if I care enough. Should I read them?[/spolier]
One thing that is bothering me is how all of the characters developed close relationships in matter of hours; it made them unbelievable Severian is a lying piece of shit
and its heavily implied this wasn't the actual case
>The only person saying this is you.
And all publishers, and the majority of readers. If your novel is going to be unsuccessful because you go against established principles of the genre then just post it on your blog instead of trying to get it published.
What genre? "Fantasy?" Ever heard of the Dying Earth subgenre? Vance? Moorcock? You may have heard of Terry Brooks, seems more your speed. What about Robert Jordan? Do the majority of readers reject his books because they start an industrial revolution in them? Brandon Sanderson? Yeah, he's just some no-name that can't get a book sold.
I don't understand, I'm so ridiculously bored of Sci-fi Communism; It's the most overdone concept in all of Science fiction, at least 80% of all novels published within the last couple of decades have non-capitalist governments. Why the fuck would you want more awful shit like China's Iron Council?
John C. Wright's Golden Age trilogy had this intensely capitalist future and it was incredibly fresh.
>protagonist loses all his money
>wakes up in an apartment so trashy he has to use a voice command to get his carpet to massage his feet
We're not a hivemind. And it's because he's a hardworking, slightly robotic author who produces hardworking, slightly robotic books, a true proletarian, and there's nothing Marxists hate more than real proletarians.
I don't hate Sanderson.
I think there are like atleast 3 Sanderson fans that continuously visit this general.
Why the others hate him?
It ranges from :
-his huge success in a seemingly short time.
There are people here who are older than Sanderson, and they were never published. Breeds dislike.
-his inability to "cuss like an adult", or include "one decent sex scene that doesn't take place with a married couple".
People hate that some of his religious beliefs bleed through on his writings, it doesn't bother me or the other two though(cosmerefag included).
I don't hate him, but I do dislike his books and I suspect most people just dislike him and are being hyperbolic.
He writes fantasy because he's a fantasy fanboy, because he likes the surface elements of fantasy, the magic, the character archetypes, the adventure. The result is that his characters, his world, his story and his magic are all shallow, though readable. They're DnD adventures in translucent prose. His books are at best just good controllers of expectations. He never really evolves a complete mythology to express his morality and philosophy, like the greats, say, C.S Lewis, Tolkien, Lewis Carrol, Phillip Pullman, George R.R Martin, Mervyn Peake, etc. He isn't grappling with anything in his books other than his desire to write a fantasy book.
He doesn't even really like anything other than the magic systems enough to develop them fully. And the sort of background lore hint dropping.
He's a 99 cent store Neil Gaiman.
>-his huge success in a seemingly short time.
>There are people here who are older than Sanderson, and they were never published. Breeds dislike.
>-his inability to "cuss like an adult", or include "one decent sex scene that doesn't take place with a married couple".
>People hate that some of his religious beliefs bleed through on his writings, it doesn't bother me or the other two though(cosmerefag included).
Those are both wrong.
Fucking kill yourself. There's been post after post about why Sanderson sucks.
What do you mean? The Mistborn trilogy was all about unintended consequences, when everything they do gets amplified a thousand times until they need someone to become a literal god to sort it out. Warbreaker's all sacrifice, everyone has to sacrifice something or someone, how there are good sacrifices and bad ones.
>He isn't grappling with anything in his books other than his desire to write a fantasy book.
And the question of why we should obey laws when there isn't a clear purpose for them, and how we can keep loving God when he's actually caused all the tragedy in our lives, and on whether heroism is a development of personal virtue or the pursuit of heroic norms.
He's a foreigner to you guys. Comes from a different world, different moral system. And what does GRRM grapple with, anyway? Pullman? Are you arguing that the bloated mess that was The Amber Spyglass has a complete mythology behind it?
Bibliotik has a retail tag and any non retail book is trumpable. To be retail on Bibliotik it must be hand ripped as stated in the rules. (Everything you download and rip yourself off sites like EBL, Ebrary, amazon, kobo and OD are technically retail however bibliotik has an additional rule that any calibre embedded metadata like the remembered page numbers and the like don't count as retail.) Bibliotik is currently down due to DDOS so all the invite threads on what.cd have been pulled but they'll be back in the invite forum once it's back up. Posts on what.cd imply that the admins are busy but they secured hosting for three months.
Books that are OCR'd tend to be slightly larger in size than retail. On bookzz has both, mobilism is mostly retail I believe (retail books are always easier to get deDRM'd; not many people bother scanning!) but I got a few books a few years ago that were OCR'd and icky.
#bookz appears to have both types (I think Bookz is an aggregator site for everything that comes into mobilism and then some). MAM has both.
I'd stick to mobilism and bib for retail stuff and if it's not there first you can always try other sites.
Just finished the first Prince of Nothing trilogy.
I liked it a lot, but I felt that Bakker was trying too hard to make Kellhus look intelligent by making everyone more and more retarded. Pic related.
You can't write characters more intelligent than yourself, and since Bakker was writing a guy who was basically a perfect genius who can predict the future via memes he had to dumb it down a bit. Also you have to remember people back then in Kellhus times were pretty stupid.
Help me come up with a story for it!
I originally thought of the hair things as a means of facilitating a race of alien emissaries that would represent the most generalized form of intelligence possible and that would, after coming into contact with another alien civilization, begin to parametrize themselves to be more in line with said civilization for the purposes of eventually acting as the go-betweens for the original manufacturers and the new group.
This was before the 3D ROM/genome idea, which lead to a more generalized version of the technology. Now it could have been more like some alien civilization's equivalent of the printed circuit board, ubiquitous in all of their technology and able to make anything from static objects to the original emissary idea depending on the genome used. That's just kind of back-story though, the story I was envisioning concerns itself mostly with the emissary part of it.
Damn that's some good shit and some new recs to me.
I don't know about that Vance though. Dying Earth is good, but it's not his best. You should put the Jack Vance Treasury on there instead. It's got the best excerpts from Dying Earth (Couple adventures of Cugel, Guyal of Sfere, Chun the Unavoidable) along with his other greats like Dragon Masters, Last Castle and Moon Moth.
I would also suggest Otherwise by John Crowley on there. Collection of his first three novels, all science fiction, The Deep, Beasts, and Engine Summer. The Deep is the stand out, but Engine Summer is also very, very good. Beasts is ok.
Is it me or is Speculative fiction a lot less mainstream then it has been in the past few decades?
Seems like that mosts works are published through the small press or self-published, only if you're a big name like GRRM, King, Gaiman, or Gibson will you get published by a big company and get mainstream recognition. It seems like the only new big author in recent years is Andy Weir.
Discussed in this very thread, a £3.4M, 13 Book deal; 10 year exclusivity deal is pretty evident that he doesn't sell particularly well.
Even he himself has voiced concern about his declining sales and how Tor might cut their loses and cancel the contract.
Got one for you senpai
gen lib rus ec
Stand on Zanzibar
Something that wouldn't print anything
Read Virginia Woolf, To the Lighthouse and read Nabokov. Wolfe is the only classically great author that wrote strictly genre fiction.
Martian's plot is for gullible and its prose is below illiterate.
But you see, that stuff was still being written when Speculative fiction was still popular with people like Samuel R. Delaney (Return to Neveryon was a fantasy series based on critical theory) and Joanna Russ was a feminist Sci-Fi writer who even criticized The Left Hand of Darkness.
Sure, maybe Sci-Fi has turned into a lot of bad political tracts (I myself am as equally annoyed with bad right-wing Sci-Fi with guys like Orson Scott Card), but it's not like Speculative fiction has never been this way.
>like Orson Scott Card
Did you just name the first right-wing author you could think of? Because it came to a massive shock when people found out he was a homophobic Mormon, he wrote Songmaster for fuck-sake and almost every book he writes has a diverse as fuck character list.
Probably because all the greats are dead, dying, or past their prime.
I would also like to add Dave Mitchell is a person everyone should be reading, he's a speculative fiction author who is definitely accepted by the mainstream.
Listen, I liked Ender's Game, but he's really has gone off the crazy train in recent times.
I remember reading part of a book he wrote involving liberals rebelling using mechas, it was laughable.
Also, this is coming from a guy who's a big Lovecraft fan.
Tried all my standard places, only copies I can find are 0 seeds/peers/fucking everything.
Only physical books I can find will take weeks to get to me, and God fuck it, I want to read it now.
Or, if any of you fine gentlemen can recommend me a similar weird as fuck tale of revenge, hopefully one more easily torrentable, that would also work.
Nabbed off MAM
>myanonamouse, bibliotik (when up ;_;), what.cd has some books which people scan/deDRM
>kat.cr, the pirate bay (less useful for books due to the utterly shit retention), btdigg for DHT searching, rutracker
>audiobook bay for audiobooks (I believe they have ebook bay too but that's probably shit because of retention)
>soulseek (sometimes people will have copies of stuff which is poorly seeded on public trackers)
>/lit/ might also have stuff in the archives. If you're after art books, sometimes /m/, cgpeers, exhentai, /ic/ have them too.
>There are also some tricky ways of ripping the original book from amazon trials (guides are posted on private trackers) or getting books from free by requesting a refund.
>You can also rip a bunch of books off overdrive which is what most trackers doo.
I check public trackers public trackers, #bookz, mobilism, MAM, bibliotik (if up), WCD, archives
Woah slow down
Yes, I have all his books. Slowly going through all of them.
Most (all?) of his stuff has been released as ebooks on Spatterlight Press (i.e., jackvance com) site. They use the VIE editions as the source.
Guys give me a list of starter fantasy.
If my autism is feeling particularly high, I will make a chart. Some anon made a sf list and it was upped, now another anon has made a list.
That is two new sf charts and 0 fant ones.
I have a few, tell me what you think.
The magic goes away - Larry Niven
Iron druid chronicles
Night angel -Brent Weeks(yes, yes I know, but we need dasy reads, that captures the reader's attention and imagination)
Oh man, it's been so long since I've read any good fantasy. I thought I had read it all years ago.
Thanks for the long list of suggestions, /lit/.
I'd like to suggest that The Redemption of Althalus is added to the fantasy suggestion list, by the way.
Not entirely sure how to categorize it, though. Probably misc.
There ought to be a children's fantasy/fairytale fantasy category as well, I think.
For stuff like
>The Neverending Story
>Ronia The Robber's Daughter
>The Brothers Lionheart
>The Little Vampire
>The Spook's Apprentice
Can you still lose yourself in fantasy worlds, /lit/?
I can't remember the last time I was truly able to, though the memory of that feeling is so fucking tantalizing.
So I finished the Hyperion Cantos. All four of the books were pretty great, though I felt like Book 2 stalled out a little... Anyway.
Can someone suggest something for me? Not necessarily Sci-Fi and not necessarily Dan Simmons, but something that provides that genuine warm feeling of satisfaction after completing the story. I was able to get very 'into' the Hyperion stories and almost felt a little bereaved after I had finished them all.
>All four of the books were pretty great
>leaving loose ends hanging is pretty great
>not providing an explanation to significant plot entities is pretty great
Huh. I honestly don't know what to recommend because I've somehow managed to forget most of the purely-shit fiction I used to read.
>this thread existing
Absolutely fucking pathetic, leave.
I love Brandon Sanderson's magic systems but his prose is horrid.
Any recommendations for fantasy writers with good prose/style?
What is some good post apocalyptic sci-fi.
Did some searching and Wool seems like it has an interesting concept. I think I might buy it.
Also considering starting another horror sci fi.
Last one I read was Whitley Strieber's The Forbidden Zone. Thought the first half was really good. I wouldn't say the second half was bad but it was way too repetitive and spread out. It started to pick up again near the end but when it finally did I really wasn't feeling the
happily ever after Disney tier ending.
Gene Wolfe of course. He started writing in the 70s and is still doing it. There's around 10 of his works worth reading.
Fifth Head of Cerberus
Book of the New Sun
Book of the Long Sun
Book of the Short Sun
The Wizard Knight
Selected Short stories
I think Sanderson's prose is fine until he grinds everything to a huge fucking halt to elaborate on how his magic system works, like a tutorial in a video game. I can't take him seriously.
In the Stormlight Archives, that's never. Everything's explained on the run, we see somebody doing something and see someone figuring that out later. I don't really know what you're talking about.
>I don't really know what you're talking about.
It is a classical fallacious argument known as a strawman, anon. In this case, people constantly bring up a topic while claiming that other people constantly bring up said topic.
Is there a recommended reading list for the Expanded Universe? I don't really want to wade through all the YA books, I just want to know what I'm talking about when I discuss things and I'm a glutton for pain.
KOTOR 1 and 2 and SWTOR apparently have most of the lore.
I'm more of a book person so I get unmotivated to play games really quickly. And as far as I know, there's no real novel equivalent.
Those are all RPGs. SWTOR I don't recommend for a variety of reasons, but both KOTORs are more like very interactive novels.
Also an aside, who's excited for Morning Star?
None of that shit is starter fantasy, except maybe Dresden Files.
Lord of The Rings
Game of Thrones
....off the top of my head. Starter fantasy should be high quality or otherwise well-known and typical works of the sub-genre
>otherwise well-known and typical works of the sub-genre
in my last post. For plebs and starters, GRRM is THE gritty low fantasy epic writer.
Use of Weapons is probably his best, but there are several others that are particularly great. Consider Phlebas is frankly garbage compared to his later stuff and I would never recommend it as an intro book to anybody. Player of Games is solid. My favorites out of the rest would be Excession and Surface Detail. If you want to try something that isnt the Culture novels, Feersum Endjinn is fucking amazing.
I read about 100 pages of it yesterday at midnight and so far the only character who seems to be vaguely interesting and has dimensions is the Inquisitor/torturer guy.
The rest of the cast apparently consists of Guts complete with chronic hero syndrome, a teenager who is in lurve, Wizard Gandalf and a corrupt bureaucrat who does nothing except corrupt bureaucracy.
Please tell me this gets better.
I found Never Let Me Go a little dry and a little too heavy on all the implied emotional suffering. Felt like the movie added a lot by making the whole affair more immediate and brutal.
Dry I get, and I might even agree with, but I thought the amount of emotional suffering was done very well. Haven't sat through the entire film adaptation, but the parts I did see seemed to be too much of a page for page remake of the book, which could work in theory, just not in practice.
Is this series all that good? I have Red Rising sitting on the shelf across the room from me, but I've always been put off by the comparisons to it and the Hunger Games people like to make.
I came here to say I appreciate you guys making a general thread rather then having it all over the catalog.
I'll just ask here because I don't know where else to ask and I don't want to make a new thread:
How does one write a horror short story that is effective in creeping out people? I know books cannot do jump scares or any of that cheap stuff that movies, video games, or TV shows do, but I'd like to give a creepy atmosphere with good descriptions.
I've read almost all of Lovecraft if that'll help me, which I think it will.
P.S. If the story isn't complete garbage where would I look to get published? Not even joking, I have lofty goals.
My best guess would be to repulse the reader(although this might be seen as edgy), make very descriptive chapters about your fucked up world.
For people like us who started 4chan in /b/, and thus are desensitized, it wouldn't do shit, but for a facebook normie....
You can't really creep out adults, they've got to do it themselves. The Ring was so successful because it's so dependent on your imagination; unexplainable feeling you don't want to look over your shoulder into the corner of your room? Sadako pls go.
Well I'm not really a horrorfag, i mostly read fantasy and some scifi now and again.
I read Clive Barker's Tortured Souls book and other than the sex scene, it didn't do much for me in the scare/repulsed department.
So if you had to compile the best Fantasy authors of all time, who would you pick? Looking for personal recommendations. I've been out of the reading loop since I was a fucking kid. So far I have the best works from
read Tolkien as a kid (like 7-12 years old) so I plan on rereading them now
lined up to read. Looking for comfy/complete/interesting worlds with great adventure stories told in them
currently reading "The Long Ships" and fucking loving it but it's just a historical fiction adventure novel, as excellent as it is
been playing The Witcher 3 and got over the initial love of ASOIAF and I have that sort of nostalgic longing for fantasy that I used to have as a kid
recommendations greatly appreciated!
Dank or nah? And should I try this first or Hyperion? I'm a bit new to Science Fiction
Honestly Fire upon the Deep had both. Hyperion wins in the cool-imagery department by a scratch, and it feels like it should be the more intellectual one, but it's more style than substance. Also FutD doesn't have purple sex scenes or the old Star Trek "famous person you know, famous person you know, future person so you know they're famous too" thing.
Not saying Hyperion isn't good. Silenus' hyperspace house is worth the cost of admission, and the Ousters represent everything awesome about science fiction. It's just not as good as transhuman Nordic zombies, alien mailing lists discussing the extermination of the human race, and everything about the Tines. Composite beings formed from wolf packs. Nature of sentience. Neat stuff.
Did you even read the Ender saga past enders game? I actually had to stop reading speaker for the dead because Card went in the direction of "all humans hate Ender the Xenocide because he wiped out the poor alien species that tried to exterminate us".
Lost Fleet is pretty solid on that front. I feel you on the human v human thing. One thing I'm looking for is fleet battles within the solar system, having it be this huge place with epic months-long flanking orbits, nations that control an entire planet being vast empires, that sort of thing.
Writing goes down, it's just bellow the level of the first one. Plot starts being overly complex, characters less defined, Elric duller... The whole thing is just much less entertaining.
Why do you guys seem to dislike Robert Jordan and his Wheel of Time series? Granted I'm new to /lit/ and have only browsed a few of these fantasy threads. I'm only on the third book, but am enjoying the series quite a bit so far.
Books 2-5ish are the best in the series so it's not surprising you're enjoying it so far. The plot comes to a standstill further down the the line. Also he is the worst writer of female characters in the genre.