Hey, taking requests, I've got the following:
- Books about Books
- Bread Pill
- British/Irish Literature
- Christian History
- Czech Literature
- Dante Translations
- Depressing Literature
- Drugs Literature
- Exit-Level /lit/core
- Greeks (different from the one posted)
- Japanese Literature
- Essential Leftist & Progressive Literature
- How to Get Into (Mostly) Western Occultism
- /pol/ Essential Reading
- The /lit/ Guide to Right-wing Literature
- Russian Literature
- How to Get Into Soseki
- Surreal Literature
This is actually sort of how I was planning to approach McElroy's works. I was going to read Actress before Cannonball, but aside from that it's pretty much all there. Thanks.
I know this isn't meant to be definitive or even eclectic, but has anyone read Coover? Yes supposed to be somewhat like Barthelme.
I never heard about Tolkien trying to convey catholicism with his works. Didn't he actually criticize Lewis for being too blatantly religious with his Narnia series? Or did he just criticze him for being too clumsy?
I never really got catholic vibes from any of the Tolkien I have read.
Its done... for now. I'll post this in a thread later so I can get input on it, but I'm happy with it at the moment.
>the average person is a scholar of Roman Judea, ancient Greek, and the old testament, and is therefore in a position to interpret the bible for themselves
This is what protestants ACTUALLY believe.
I would add alcohol, namely with
John Barleycorn by Jack London
Moscow to the End of the Line by Venedikt Yerofeyev
The Drinker by Hans Fallada
why? the first book deals with addiction ("demon alcohol") and prohibition; the second is very much like fear and loathing in las vegas but in moscow and on DT and the last is on rehab (in nazi germany). If anything it's wrong to put addictive and the non-addictive drugs onto one chart.
You can't just be the only one to get a meme and still call it a meme.
Currently reading John Barleycorn (in my country it is called "King Alcohol" because no one would get the actual title so it took me way too long to find the original title since I did not find anything like King Alcohol in London's bibliography.)
I really enjoy it, I generally like Jack London's style, though I only read Seawolf and White Fang. Where should I go from there?
The entirety of Lord of the rings is an attempt to put Christian truth into a different form. He considered it the best tale ever told so he chose to rewrite it. Frodo, Aragon and Gandalf are actually elements of Christ, him as a king, God and man. Silmarillion is also very clear about biblical parallels.
>He considered it the best tale ever told so he chose to rewrite it. Frodo, Aragon and Gandalf are actually elements of Christ, him as a king, God and man.
Any source where Tolkien actually said that, or is this just your personal reading of it?
>It's both him saying it
>just about everywhere around the internet.
I find a wikipedia article about the themes of the Lord of the Rings, and only a small part of that is about christianity, with no source of Tolkien himself stating the work to be inherently christian, just some light readings of lit profs.
Then I find a short essay about how there are not really that many actual christian motifs in the Lord of the Rings, rather some themes that can be read in a christian way if you want.
Then I find a whole bunch of christian websites that seem rather biased on the matter.
I don't really find anything nutritious about the Silmarilion, which is the book in question here.
I am not saying these books are not christian at all, because clearly there are some christian ideas within them, that is a given with the author being a devote christian, but I don't really see how they are written with the direct intent to spread christian thought.
Feel free to give me sources that state otherwise, I am actually interested.
You know people usually don't keep that kind of stuff in files?
I could right now look it up in the same way as you.
Christian sites are usually more interested in religion in literature. You could look it up there and assess the argument.
Well, you claimed Tolkien himself said that, I would actually like to read that myself. I find nothing that cites him though.
I've been skimming some of these christian sites, none of them make any substantial points above that wikipedia article, only that they present their conclusion in a much more factual manner (aka: "Frodo is a Christ-like hero." instead of "Frodo can be read as a Christ-like hero.")
And yes, christian sites are more interested in religion in literature, but they are also more likely to read relatively non-religious literature in a religious way. And that's totally okay. Basically half my circle of friends is christian theology students (I myself am studying literature and philosophy), and I often have talks with them and how they see more christian motifs in works where I see barely any. Books can be read in different ways.
You however made the claim that Tolkien wrote the Silmarilion (was that even you posting the chart?) with the clear and direct intention of representing christian ideals. I would like you to point out at what point he did confess that:
I read it somewhere, like years ago in a pretty long article. It was a part of discussion he had with Lewis prior to his conversion. It was quoted there, assuming it's not a false article that they both attempted to retell the greatest tale ever told.
Or maybe I'm just wrong. I'm not a big Tolkien expert and mostly like him for Silmarillion and Children of Hurin which I read a year ago. It's usually, at least as far as I know and I agree, as a work with heavy Catholic influence and generally a pretty good book so I put it there. Maybe should have gone with Silmarillion. But it's less recognizable and I went with mostly more known works of each author. One can after those easily read more specific works.
Silmarillion pretty much starts with his attempt to retell genesis and later on delving more specific into fall of man. He also has an impressive descriptions of God creating through song and Satan rebelling. Probably the best piece of his work.
>Maybe should have gone with Silmarillion. But it's less recognizable and I went with mostly more known works of each author.
But... Silmarilion is in the chart?
Anyway, yeah, it is my favourite work of his aswell, with Children of Hurin close behind. I find it fun how one of them imitates religious scripture while the other imitates greek tragedy. (Imitate might be the wrong term here.)
But anyway, yeah, the opening of the Silmarilion is very similar to Genesis, but I always just saw that as (like I said above) imitation: Tolkien intended the Silmarilion as some kind of universal work describing basically the story of his entire world, and like every world it needs to start with his creation. It only seems natural for Tolkien to write a creation similar to the christian one. I am not sure if that in itself inherently carries christian values though. Especially since only some of it is christian in form, a lot of it appears greek aswell, especially the way he builds up his pantheon. Tulkas being a particular favourite of mine in this regard.
But anyway, if you only read it in some article years ago and are not really sure you should not be going around spouting things like hard facts. If those posts >>7554224
>>7553537 (etc) were not by you I apologize.
I don't know if there is, but this is surely one of the films that women won't understand.
>mfw no qutb
I read and enjoyed Infinite Jest in like tenth grade so it isn't that hard to jump into. If you're hesitant about the size of IJ, you can feel out his short stories in Oblivion (Good Old Neon is widely regarded as excellent) or Girl with the Curious Hair. Broom of the System is a bit Juvenile and largely avoided. The Pale King is also much easier than Infinite Jest. But seriously if you make it to at least page 100 in IJ you'll probably start to get obsessed with the plot and finish it. I think I gave up halfway through my first read, but a few weeks later started again and finished the whole thing. I've read it a total of maybe 6 times all the way through
There was a thread posted her about a book some lit guys hated, it's about someone ho drinks a lot (and he is a bad person?) someone said it's "the lit version of NHK".
Anyone got an idea for what it is?
>All those films directed by men
>Adding the Ascent, the film on the list which probably least relates to the female experience, just because it's directed by the greatest female director.
This is literally fedoracore. Idealy /lit/ approved video games would put gameplay first which is also be the artistic essence of vidya if there is any..
Gameplay in Deus, Plancescape, and Deadly Premonition is shit to nearly non-existent.
Of course there's quality books aimed at "young adults"
Stupid question, really
Keep an eye out for the regular "post books you read as a child and consider quality to this day" thread
no that would be /v/ approved games. Just as a chart of /mu/s favorite games would ideally be comprised of games with good soundtracks, /lit/s approved games should be focused on writing. /lit/ should recognize that these may not be representative of the best games, but this is the only way to serve the purpose of having a /lit/ guide to vidya
>Most popular Catholic author of the 20th century whose goal was to convey the Catholic truth in most of his work?
Does anyone know where I can find a chart like this but for DFW instead of Pynchon?
this >>7568748 to be honest
He didn't write all that much either, maybe read some of his essays first if you want an introduction to his style or whatever
I've you've read a book before IE shouldn't be a problem, for example you already know Hamlet so there's really no need to specifically point out you should have read it by now, knowledge of arthouse film is helpful but not necessary as well
but really that's all stuff you know by now
Thanks, I'm going to read Permutation City now