I've been reading philosophy for 6 or 7 years now, some years more than other, however today ive decided to follow the advice: start with the greeks.
I have read most of the big philosophers partially, some more than other, but now I want them to read in the order academia reads them, so I can get more out of it.
Can you provide me with some links, how to start with this project?
Or is there someone who studies philosophy here which can give me a overview of the order in which he read them?
Damn, what philosophy 'have' you been reading then?
Anyway, skip the pre-socratics (>inb4hate) then:
Plato - Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Meno, Phaedo, The Republic
Aristotle - Nichomachean Ethics, Politics, Physics, Metaphysics
>Anyway, skip the pre-socratics
Without Heraclitus, Parmenides, Pythogoreans, and Sophists you won't understand where Plato's coming from.
Pre-socratics are important to read precisely because all our philosophy is based on Plato and Aristotle and not on them. They're a blind spot for most people. Even Aristotle didn't understand the Ionians anymore.
I read parts or secondary literature of descartes, kant, hume, nietzsche, small bits of hegel, plato (republic), two history of philosophy books, wittgenstein (tractatus and philosophical investigations), foucault (history of madness), heidegger (but didnt understand a thing so mostly read it using secondary literature, same with derrida) and probably some more which I forgot.
Most dumb thing I did was the fact that I skipped hegel and kant (just some wiki) and did them really late, so when I read them I finally understood where all the people after them were coming from
I got this on that philosophy test thing, know literally nothing about it.
Should I just start with hobbes then?
>read philosophy for 6 or 7 years
what the actual fuck
Start with the Iliad and Odyssey, they lay the foundation for Greek Philosophy and are mention enough in their works so you need to know what the heck they are talking about.
>skip the presocratics
>not understanding the pythagorean influence of Plato
>not reading the beginning of metaphysics with Parmenides and his traditional contrast with Heraclitus
>not mirin' the ancient materialists who anticipated modern scientific theories
This is the only answer that makes sense; start with Homer. There is no coherent writings of presocratics to actually study. Things we know about them comes from mostly Plato and Aristotle quoting them.
I actually don't know of any english collection of sources on the Presocratics that's comprehensive as Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker by Dieos. Am I missing something? Oxford's The First Philosophers is pretty good, but there's much less.
Yeah, sorry, there's isn't a comprehensive one in English, at least I couldn't find one in the past. I think the ones available should do perfectly fine for a start though. You'll be interested in having all the fragments possible only later after returning to them.
There might be complete fragments for some of the individual philosophers though. For Heraclitus there's Kahn's which also includes pretty good commentary on each fragment individually.
Oh I can get Diels from a library so it doesn't really matter, I just find it strange that i have a better source as a eastern european than the English apparently. I'm surprised there isn't a translation