>>6021300 Well, Iron Pill was created by /pol/ because they couldn't handle /x/ making fun of them with Green Pill comics, whereas Golden Pill is the Tyrant who will save the universe from the Ixians and the Tleilaxu, along with launching a new age of exploration and expansion upon his death
>>6021603 Understanding of the counter arguments to the world-views of those extremely partisan texts, while Wallerstein is somewhat decent in this regard he is a sociologist so if you're going to give people a critical understanding of economics you should have at least one non-neoclassical economist. On the politics side you have three consensus political thinkers and an ancient historian, a critical perspective like that of Habermas' would be helpful.
>>6021612 Don't get me wrong, I hate teenagers too, but for some reason I find 50 year old coots with shrivelled up genitalia talking in articles and books about how they hate their children about as narcissistic as them if not more.
reading habermas' essay response to receiving the adorno prize will fill you in on how obscurantist his style is. One can't deny he's a massively intelligent critic but his ideas are not nearly as complex as the means by which he presents them.
>>6021545 For some reason, the one book out of that Chart that I decided to read was Motorman, which turned out to be an excellent choice and one of my favorite short novels. The only other thing on there I have any interest in is Stoner, mostly because it's set in my college town.
>>6023506 >modern day Bismark Ayy mi negro, are you actually serious? Have you ever read a history book? Vietnam, Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay are examples of his "incredible" diplomacy. >muh imperialism
But nowhere near the level of success and skill of Bismark. The man might have been good at salvaging bad situations but he hardly made any brilliant moves that suited the US in the long term, closest you have is arranging the visit to China by Nixon.
>>6028843 This and coldsteel are entirely riotous. This boards memes make me laugh so hard sometimes. Not our average shitpost memes any board has versions of, but these kind of threads. Only tip-top /v/ satire even attempts to rival it.
“The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen." - Arthur Schopenhauer
>>6038636 Funny thing about this: I've read 3 books there, just received A Void today, saw New York Trilogy in a bookstore once, liked the cover, and had forgotten it's name up to now, PKD and Borges are two of my favourite authors and yet I have no idea what "Brain Candy" is supposed to mean (english is not my first language, so I might not be familiar with the expression)
I notice no fellow Brown pills ever really post. We are there. We are just silent, stoic observers. Watching everyone and always learning. We don't need to state it but we know we are the wisest of all pills.
>>6032338 Bullshit. The working-class Brummel initiated the trend of the dandies, ultimate embodiment of deliberate mannerism. How to into gracefulness in 7 steps:
>be poorfag >dream of richfaggotry >meet actual richfags >see how they behave >behave as an enlightened parody of them as even the richfags have no idea of what they're doing >??? >don't profit because you get to stay a poofag all the same
>>6044397 >Star Wars has moral realism No it doesn't. Tolkien has a strict and rigorous definition of what makes evil evil, while 'Star Wars' is just aimless fapping to people who look and act like James Dean.
> and Christian themes There are no Christian themes in 'Star Wars'. Christian themes is when themes of free will, divine grace and mercy are explored. 'Star Wars' has none of that.
>>6044415 >No it doesn't. Tolkien has a strict and rigorous definition of what makes evil evil, while 'Star Wars' is just aimless fapping to people who look and act like James Dean. Whoa there. The Dark side as an imbalance in the force is very important as the defining evil in Star Wars.
>There are no Christian themes in 'Star Wars'. Christian themes is when themes of free will, divine grace and mercy are explored. 'Star Wars' has none of that.
Free will: Vader chooses to help his son despite saying earlier that it was too late for him to will himself to good.
Divine grace: what is: the Force?
Mercy: Very much explored, although from a negative angle: the lack of mercy is a defining characteristic of the dark side, Anakin goes several breaches of mercy on his journey. Therefore the Force, without imbalance, is merciful.
Anakin was also born of a virgin and conceived by the Force, and functions ultimately as a Messiah figure whose coming is foretold by prophecies.
>>6044397 Not the the other guy: sure, the original trilogy at least, EU is the interesting area where things get gray and more complex than hurr vs durr (Kotor 2 best example I can come up with on the spot). LOTR is infinitely more explicit in its good ol' traditional storytelling whereas in SW the lightsabers and life support armors distract from it, making the former more accessible to your average reactionary.
>>6044424 >The Dark side as an imbalance in the force is very important as the defining evil in Star Wars. No, the whole movie series is about fighting the Empire, and the Empire isn't evil because of 'imbalance'. (In fact, Lucas doesn't even bother to explain why the Empire is supposed to be evil.)
> Free will: Vader chooses to help his son despite saying earlier that it was too late for him to will himself to good. No, Vader chooses to help Luke because family keeps after its own, not because he wanted to be 'good'. If Luke went over to the Dark Side it would have been perfectly acceptable to Vader.
> Divine grace: what is: the Force? The Force isn't grace, it's a mystical something that can be trained by willpower. This idea is antithetical to Christianity and would be considered heretical.
> the lack of mercy is a defining characteristic of the dark side I don't see that. The 'good' guys there lack mercy just as much as the bad guys.
> Anakin was also born of a virgin and conceived by the Force, and functions ultimately as a Messiah figure whose coming is foretold by prophecies. Literally every single mythology has that stuff, nothing Christian about it.
>>6044487 >No, the whole movie series is about fighting the Empire, and the Empire isn't evil because of 'imbalance'. (In fact, Lucas doesn't even bother to explain why the Empire is supposed to be evil.) I'm guessing you haven't seen all of the movies, but the empire is evil because the Emperor is the Dark Lord of the Sith.
>No, Vader chooses to help Luke because family keeps after its own, not because he wanted to be 'good' *cough* No, dude. Luke was his son and that was an important part of it, but his love for his son is what turns him away from evil at that point. Evil was Vader's *religion*. Vader feels guilt here.
>If Luke went over to the Dark Side it would have been perfectly acceptable to Vader. Not after he disposed of the Emperor, it wouldn't.
>The Force isn't grace, it's a mystical something that can be trained by willpower. The Force has a will of its own that the Jedi seek to follow.
>I don't see that. The 'good' guys there lack mercy just as much as the bad guys. I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan would not have approved of Anakin killing the Sand People or Dooku.
>Literally every single mythology has that stuff, nothing Christian about it. Nah, most mythologies do not involve virgin births of Messiahs. They might involve a woman fucking God, but that's not the same thing. Only other parallel with a virgin that I know of is Buddha supposedly being born of a virgin.
>>6044509 >I'm guessing you haven't seen all of the movies, but the empire is evil because the Emperor is the Dark Lord of the Sith. No, that's not why the Empire is evil, the two facts are incidental. What would have changed if the Emperor had no magic powers? Pretty much nothing.
> No, dude. Luke was his son and that was an important part of it, but his love for his son is what turns him away from evil at that point. Exactly. Vader is just trying to get closer to his son, he doesn't care about 'good' and 'evil' as long as family relationships aren't involved.
> I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan would not have approved of Anakin killing the Sand People or Dooku. Not committing heinous murder isn't mercy.
> Nah, most mythologies do not involve virgin births of Messiahs. Yeah, actually they do. Read up on it.
>>6044564 > The "balance of the Force" is the central concept of both movie trilogies. 'Central'?? No, not central. The central concept is kicking ass and not bowing to authority. The balance crap is incidental and mostly ignored.
I could never work out how the jedi who are the good guys seem to be perfectly happy with slavery (especially when it comes to sentient driods, but the prequels show that they've no problem with biologicals in slavery either), but the empire seems to pay robots, and doesn't keep slaves.
The whole Darh Vader thing could have been avoided if Obi-Wan or Kim-Jong Quin had just said "Watto you cunt, slavery's well out of order, we're taking the kid's mother as well, and if you don't like it you can talk to the lightsabre". Instead they're all "well, we've got to respect the rights of human trafficking, so let's leave Shmi here to be bought and sold like Cattle that has a handy rapehole".
>>6044593 >No, that's not why the Empire is evil, the two facts are incidental. What would have changed if the Emperor had no magic powers? Pretty much nothing. Pretty much everything. Palpatine's raison d'être is to assert hegemony of the Dark Side in the universe, the whole reason he becomes emperor is to this end.
>Exactly. Vader is just trying to get closer to his son, he doesn't care about 'good' and 'evil' as long as family relationships aren't involved. That's prior to actually saving Luke. After he saves Luke, he says, "Tell your sister you were right about me," as in Luke had faith in Vader's goodness even when Vader did not. That Vader turned back to good is firmly illustrated by the appearance of his spirit at the end.
>Not committing heinous murder isn't mercy. It is when the person you're murdering cut off your hand and was trying to kill you, or they kidnapped your mother and tortured her to death for the lulz.
>Yeah, actually they do. Read up on it. Yeah, I've seen Zeitgeist too. Also those mindblowing info pics atheists like to post. My point stands.
>>6044614 Well, if they did that then Watto would probably have complained to the Hutts, who would have demanded the Republic hand over the Jedi (officials of the Republic) for punishment, which the Republic would have refused to. possibly leading to war between the Republic and the Hutts.
Not to mention Watto has tracers in his slaves and can blow them up.
>>6036055 Why should we take someone seriously if they are proposing an obvious false dichotomy.
People can be proud of dozens of things including their nation, it has absolutely no bearing on their own quality. Some of the most capable, driven or accomplished people in history sincerely loved their countries.
>>6044679 >Droids aren't self-aware, they're just quirky due to imperfect imitation of humans.
The same couild be argued of humans.
Regardless of hair-splitting, Obi-wan and his gaffer leave Anakin's mum in slavery because "meh, fuck that bitch" and this directly leads to the Empire.
Their evil is the root cause of the "evil" of Vader, who is motivated by the sufferings of his mother to overthrow the corrupt slavocracy of the Republic and subsequent counter-revolutionary forces attempt to return the system to it's antebellum status.
Vader is the good guy in Star Wars, trying to bring progression to a stagnant and degenerate system which has held back the galaxy for millenia, backed up by their psychic superhero bullyboys from the jedi council who use their enormous power to ensure the continuance of Status: Q.
Also, the destruction of the second death star is a war crime. Skywalker should be facing charges in the Intergalactic Criminal Court (probably still based in The Hague), not recieving medals from princesses.
The republic is a stagnant talking shop, built on pillars of eras of oppression, cruelty and indifference. The jedi are no better than ISIS.
>>6044785 >>destroying armed and hostile enemy vessels and bases in war is a war crime
no it's not.
>destroying military bases that are under construction and full of civilian contractors
that is a war crime or terrorism. It's what the IRA used to do in Ireland to stop builders and the like working with "occupying forces".
Blowing up the first one was probably legit, but the second one? Nah m8 - war crime/ terrorism.
I bet the people who flew those planes into the skyscrapers a few years back in New York thought they were hitting a valid military target as well. What ever happened with that btw? You hardly ever hear about it anymore.
>>6044795 So you think the moral choice is allowing a power mad lunatic access to a machine that can destroy planets at a whim and which cannot be stopped by anything they can throw at it once finished. Good to know.
>>6044804 The pill thing is not a lit thing now. It's a minor meme and it's misused. The red pill used in The Matrix was to wake Neo up to fight a sort of revolution, but pol turns it into a red-state symbol. Putting people to sleep.
I was just ranting last night about General boards and how they could help make /lit/ a better place for all, but if we're going to go with becoming a /pol/ punching bag...
>>6044852 Started off as a /pol/ thing, but drifted to /x/ and exploded into this>>6038515
The original red was person in on /pol/ shit, knowing about the truth behind government conspiracies, etc. And Blue pill was basically sheep or mindless drone. Then after hitting /x/ blue pill remained the same but red pill turned into a mind controlled tool of the Demiurge unaware of a greater conspiracy while caught up in smaller ones. Green Pill emerged as the new enlightened pill, which was based on Gnosticism and other esoteric traditions and frequently fought the demiurge controlling blue/red pill.
After this emerged Purple and Brown pill, who were both in on the demiurge/yawhey conspiracy and the new world order, but took opposite stances. Purple pill was evil essentially, and was likely a willing member of the new world order or working for the demiurge. But Purple Pill was not a mindless tool like red or blue pill, he was enlightened. Brown pill was enlightened but took an aesthetic nuetral approach to the conflict, inspired from taoist and hermetic tradition.
Then emerged Iron Pill from /fit/ and /x/ which took inspiration from Euro-Pagan gods. Green pill and Iron pill are typically viewed as the heroes in pill comics.
Then there were some more smaller pills like black pill (Inspired from beserk, demon slayer) bread pill which was basically just an ebin christian may may, and a bunch of smaller minor ones.
Yes it is more autistic than I could possibly describe.
When the so-called "power mad lunatics" also has access to a fleet of star destroyers, trillions of troops and other elements of a military infrastructure and god knows what else which can be deployed galaxy wide, then yes.
There was little military value in destroying the death star in the first place, and the second one doubly so, since it constitutes targetting the civilian populace.
death star = WTC rebels = al qaeda
>help us Osama Ben Kenobi-Laden, you're our only hope.
>>6045101 >There was little military value in destroying the death star
It destroyed a significant officer class, wiped out whole squadrons of military crafts, and took away their ability to fucking blow up planets which they had done before and were in the process of doing so when it was destroyed.
So? If al qaeda blow up the entire pacific fleet, it won't overthrow the empire behind it will it?
note to FBI: I do not advocate the destruction of the Pacific fleet, nor do I support the representation of the glorious US and A as an evil empire. All content is for the purpose of analogy and does not represent the opinion of the author. Please, I don't want to go to Guantanamo.
>>6045715 Why does it matter how 'efficient' it is? They already murdered several billion people with the first one and were more than willing to do it again with the second one.
Its also a pretty decisive weapon in a fleet engagement since once finished no ships could hope to defeat it. Or do you think the rebel capital ships casually blown up by it were 'symbolic' as well? If one country had a naval vessel that could not be defeated by the combined naval forces of the entire planet that would be a pretty big deal even if its main purpose was nuking anybody who got uppity.
>>6045712 The US is not a literal Empire, killing the president won't make the US collapse into factions and allow a return to a previous form of government.
You've never read anything Tolkien wrote, did you?
He goes on for FOUR books describing how much machines suck because they're evil and they destroy trees and foul up the environment. He then goes on to honestly suggest to the reader that goblins were behind the industrial revolution.
Tolkien's a monarchical-primitivist. Just like the unabomber, Tolkien believes that, like the ents in The Two Towers, we should tear down the entirety of the industrial apparatus and go back to the way things were in jolly old England in the Dark Ages. That's literally the definition of reactionary.
>not being a newfag >falling for worst bait in history >using the word "unironically" unironically >thinking it's edgy and cool to browse 4chan >not realizing how much of a fag you are for basing your identity on the websites you visit
The Two Towers are actually based on some factory chimneys near where he grew up outside Birmingham. The forces of evil in LoTR could be interpreted as the spread of the city and the imperilment of Tolkein's beloved suburban "idyll".
>>6043391 You can definitely classify Inferno as reactionary. If you want to simplify it you can read it as Dante bitching about all the corrupt fuckers who conspired to get him exiled from Florence, and also bitching about a lot of other people.
I mean, not all of it is politically charged, Limbo and Lust for example aren't really. But Treachery, Fraud, Violence are all definitely so - especially when Dante himself actually gets angry at the poor fuckers and steps on their heads and shit.
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