despite everything, 4chan remains a unique online presence
/lit/ is commonly cited as the best topic board on 4chan
let's start a literary movement
There are writers who've posted in critique threads that are pretty forward-thinking. I google their posts and find tumblr pages. I won't post any cause I'll look like I'm self-promoting and discredit my own anonymous self and the writers of which I speak. But yeah, /lit/ has some top tier young writers.
Butterfree sat in her crib, crying again about how a slender girl with auburn hair would never plunder her treasure holes when suddenly the ghost of Feminister busted through her trailer. YOU SLUT! Suddenly they started to make out atop a stack of classical literature and both pissed in each others mouth because they're so ironic.
OP here. A movement has to do with style or form or content or theme or something like that.
>when suddenly the ghost of Feminister busted through
Just for your imaginations, this is what Femi said she looked like.
But with D cups
1. Does anyone remember a few months ago /lit/ was going to write a novel (which may or may not have explored ideas of 'collective consciousness'? If that had worked out it would have been great.
2. As >>5251525 said, there are a few of writers here who are quite gifted and foreword thinking. I know some of us were recruited from /lit/ critique threads and our works are somewhat similar, in the sense they all border around postmodernism/metafiction and try to make sense of the 21st century. I notice all of us seem to be between the ages of 18 to 23. It might be a generation scope thing. If any of us break out, I've no doubt the rest will follow and we could be considered the /lit/erary movement of the technological age.
We can start more than a literary movement. We could easily start a whole philosophical movement. The internet is on the threshold of doing so, anyways. The only obstacle to really surmount is the reflexive self-hatred and cynicism that the internet denizens hold (and the contempt for ideology that tends to accompany that). But a board like /lit/ is a good place to foster introspection which precisely can surmount these obstacles.
We already have a philosophical and political positions to pull from. In many ways, I think that the Pirate Party, and to a lesser extent Situationism, will provide the philosophical foundations for our next movement. We have before us the ability to move in a new direction as a society.
I think some will see my excitement as naivete, but on the contrary, I think if you are not excited, you are naive. Such a radical change in the popular medium of communication reorganizes the world of ideas, and the ideas which inhabit it must change with it.
she left of her own accord, because she got "ousted" by a slip-up.
she might be back tripping under another name.
Eh, I'm sort of doing the reverse by writing a memoir which is fifty per cent real and fifty per cent fiction.
Imagine if we were able to found a publishing house and publish our works as a collective though!
yesterday I have asked you about your relations to your male family members. The thread has been deleted already without you answering. Since I am unsure if you have seen my post I would like to remind you again to expresse yourself precisely. Furthermore I am still interested in your relationship to your male familiy members. Eagerly awaiting your respones ~Anon
i dont get why she would go into hiding. i mean, she could just make up all kinds of bs stories about why she posted what she posted.
btw, do you know for a fact she's a gril? because after that samefagging fiasco i'm not so sure no more
So many potential women on this board.
Yet, in real life, I've never met a female with more than a passing interest in literature. Closest I got was a chick who dug French films.
I guess I'm going to have to start leaving my house again. Bummer.
Well yes, the women I do know peruse the usual suspects, romance, 50 shades, etc. At most they imbibe feminist literature. I was hoping for someone more well versed in literature though.
So they can help my retarded ass understand.
Also I'm sexually attracted to women, and the thought of fucking one while she lays on the bed and thumbs through a novel, entirely disinterested in my thrusting...this is something that turns me on. A lot. Bonus points if she occasionally sighs and asks if I'm done yet.
>this is something that turns me on.
You've seen that /gif/ thread yet? >>>/gif/6411083
So. Of all the boards that can actually get things done without simply relying on apelike fury, /g/ obviously comes to mind. They hold identity politics responsible for the failure of OWS and so hate it with a passion.
Meanwhile, many movements with roots in the humanities won't touch 4chan with a ten foot pole. /lit/, however, is unperturbed by the worst 4chan has to offer and we are not nearly as insufferable as some other online movements. This is a rather unique position.
Ha, yeah I saw it.
I have a thing for Aubrey Plaza (and her schtick) for similar reasons.
My ultimate fantasy is to meet a cute lesbian who likes me, but isn't sexually attracted to me, for obvious reasons. However, she still lets me use her hole because we're friends.
There is someone on /g/ who spreads a metric ton of information every now and then about cyber security, cryptography etc. in the "cyberpunk general" threads. I don't know if these are still active, but I believe this poster has a healthy interest in fresh new movements.
Can we even create a reading movement when the nature of using this board denies us the act itself?
Your lust conveyed, so I complied
Stripped down, bared, and opened wide
Flowing haired and empty eyed
Hand unbound but ball gag tied
How on my farts your wings would glide
Strips me of my pomp and pride
How many camera angles for you, compound eyed,
As the curl within my lips you spied
And with a spinster's finger delved inside?
Every position and rhythm, which we tried,
I couldn't get off, though I heaved and sighed;
You seemed to me an endless ride!
Oh yes! Oh god is-! Oh no!, I cried
As the small death of my psyche chrysalised:
The truth, the fact, I had been butterflied.
Perhaps. We still have an advantage over, say, the entirety of identity politics. There are also some offshoot image boards based on /g/ but I have no idea how well they are doing.
Ideally we would get in touch with the sousveillance movement.
Actually it's quite simple. Go to /g/ or one of the offshoot image boards and promise you will support Snowden. Also, that you will completely rip to pieces any normalscum arguments that follow the "I don't have anything to hide from the NSA" line of thought. Discuss 1984 and Brave New World and so on and so on.
no thx i am reserved for butterfly or the cutie boy who works at the gas station near my work who pulled down a black pack of american spirits for me while only having seen me once before.
There's nothing delusional about knowing you're in the right place at the right time, part of a collective who all seem to be aiming at the same thing in a broad literary sense, and being aware of your own creative genius. There is especially nothing exceedingly grandiose about being able to see the potential for something different to occur should all three of those factors play perfectly off each other.
Alright /lit/, here is your homework. I have no idea which particular subculture will let us approach them or if they will even tolerate any amount of publicity outside their current sphere. That said, I might as well show the basic issue and give you something to think about.
"Lets do some thinking. Pretend I'm a normie. My PC runs Windows, I use Google Chrome and my only uses of the internet are Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Youtube. I've never even thought about online privacy or spying.
I want you to convince me that I should care. Why is the government knowing everything about me something bad? What real life problems could ever come out of my name, address, face, and everywhere I've been being on record? I've got nothing to hide, so why should I?
The reason I want to have this thread is because I want you all to think about why you're doing this outside of the purely ethical stand point. Because face it, the average Joe isn't going to give a shit about ethics and we all know it. If we want to have any hope of retaining our online privacy we need popular support, and to do that we need to convince normal people to care. This is a thinking exercise.
So, convince me."
I would have hope for this is /lit/ actually had good discussions of literature. I hardly ever see threads that discuss anything beyond topical elements of a text -- and even then, half of a thread is usually people just arguing if a book is good or not.
Thus I am forced to assume that most people on here don't actually have any deep comprehension of what they are reading. The philosophical discussions are even worse. While I'm sure there are people that browse this board that could write something worthwhile, I think most /lit/ posters fancy themselves smarter than they really are
Not anymore, new trips and new friends all ruined it. Have you seen how much traffic we're getting now? Have you seen how shitty the posts got?
/lit/ is for pseudo intellectual plebes now
I understand where you are coming from, trust me I do. The only basis I have for what I'm saying - and you're gonna have to take my word for it for conversation's sake - I can tell the difference between good and bad literature; I know how to interpret a text correctly. While the majority of this board can sometimes seem not as intelligent as you'd expect them to be, the collective I speak of is the cream of the crop. If anyone's got a chance at being published; at being a pioneer of some new movement, it has to be one of us. I only think so because our compositions are so different but also seem to be evolving towards the same end goal (obviously applying abstractions like that makes it sound somewhat unbelievable).
I understand everything I'm saying is coming off as egoistic/hyperbolic. That's sort of necessary when trying to spark interest in something as audacious as this.
Thank you anon, most of my fiction revolves around the philosophical idea that in order to survive adult life, one must salvage as much of his childlike wonder as possible. It's good to know I can communicate it through 4chan posts unintentionally.
anyone who uses the word "intelligent" is probably an idiot. that goes even more for the phrase "intelligent discussion."
a 4chan literary movement trying to be cream of the crop intellectual will be a joke.
why wouldn't you want to embrace the inherent forces here? there's a lot of stupidity and goofing and i love that.
The one thing I will grant you is that the person who ends up writing a successful treatment of this era will have probably visited (or even frequented) /lit/ at one point or another.
But there is another piece of me that thinks they wouldn't stick around very long. I'll believe your claims of your own abilities and the only thing I can really say is this:
Assuming there are talented people with potential to do great work on this board (and I know that there are), /lit/ is only going to hold them back.
The format of this website just isn't conducive for cultivating that kind of thing. It isn't just that there is no good discussion of literature on this board, it is that there can't possibly be any due to the nature of the forum.
Exactly. "Intelligence" is just another form of power, although it can be also used against power. Its value is based on context. However, "non-intelligence" is always the biggest part that moves things forward. That's why academics almost never get anything done themselves, at least not the "intelligent" part of them.
Well it's not that the form is wrong. It's that people shitpost all the time and things move way way way too quick. If we all took the time to write quality posts, we would actually be moving at faster speed. But now we're just spinning in one place.
Sadly you're probably right. The problem is that the biggest mass of different people is probably here, compared to other image boards.
Basically, we absolutely have the right spirit, but we lack so much discipline or willpower. I think this is nothing surprising if you think about it.
You see, this is what I'm talking about. I would never get this response on reddit, people behave too normalized there because of their strong reputation system. Their system is based on recognition. There I have to say something recognizable to get attention and points. Here I say something different.
You're misinterpreting my post. The only idea I can derive from some 4chan literary movement is this one I have of a story written in 'collective consciousness' wherein you have numerous authors all writing different pieces of flash fiction all linked together by the overarching theme of what it's like to.... to simple 'be' in the 21st century. See: green texting/stream of consciousness/unannounced switching between reality and the surreal. The type of stuff we discussed when the idea of a /lit/ novel came up.
I don't literally mean a /lit/-generated literary movement. You can't generate a movement, for one thing. They just happen and get written about afterwards. I mean i/r/t the next big thing - it'll be postmodern/metafiction; it'll focus on how overwhelming this world is and what one can do to find peace in it; it'll incorporate all aspects of sites such as this (and I'm not referring to green texting, I mean life philosophies or abstractions such as a collective consciousness formed by an anonymous image board).
Whoever said before me that the next literary movement will be sparked accidentally but will probably be the fault of someone who once upon a time visited /lit/ itself and was profoundly influenced by it - he hit the nail on the head. I'm just saying I think that very person could easily be found in the collective I've mentioned before, and could be done sort of breakout leader god the rest of our compositions, effectively heralding a new wave of internet-influenced writings.
Apologies if I didn't make that clear earlier.
It's not even the posters themselves I'm talking about -- there are people here with discipline and willpower. I'm just saying that 4chan itself is not the right medium for it. The Anonymity, the transience of any one post, the quickness of the threads, the fact that people from other boards can wander in and out (people with no background knowledge, potentially), etc.
It's not the site culture or the people that visit the site that I'm talking about. It's the technical qualities of 4chan as a communicative medium. You just can't do it. If you wanted to do something like what you are proposing you would have to move offsite.
yes I read too much McLuhan sue me
Oh right, I was going to post something about one of our strengths being the possibility of fluid collaboration but I got distracted and never posted in this thread
So I guess that's an idea
Reddit's majority is fucking retarded though. Whatever you guys said about the Donning-Kruger effect on 4chan, it's amplified a hundred million times on reddit. All you need to do is check the r/writing or the r/books subreddit. It's as if everyone there is fucking illiterate. I get angry just thinking about it. At least on 4chan people aren't afraid to tell others they're doing something horrifically wrong.
reminds me of this one short story from reddit I got linked with the promise it was really good.
It was really an exercise in how to bore a reader while having an actual plot that could be really good.
I'll try to find it.
I've thought of this before but I'm very conflicted on it.
On the one hand, there is a very big possibility that what I see emerging in American culture that lines up with what I see in 4chan is me just projecting and trying to satisfy my want for community.
On the other hand, it doesn't seem that far fetched to say that there are some aspects of American culture (maybe overall Western culture but I don't want to say that) that are becoming more related to what I see going on in 4chan. Those things being mainly many aspects of the internet and how the "millennial generation" are defined by it: we have quite a lot of information at our disposal, we are used to mixing cultures (hipster), we are used to post-modern apathy, we probably deal with echo chambers in a very different way compared to past generations, and we have this really weird way of dealing with social capital and the want to say that we were there when things got started.
4chan is weird though because of its place in internet history, and how it was at one point (maybe now I dont know) the center of internet culture. The only reason I think this is important is because 4chan might be a symptom of some culture that is now much bigger, so now more people and their culture might become like 4chan. I mean, maybe 4chan is just used to Japanese culture, a very urban culture, and the world is heading towards that?
Oh I've actually read that before. I can definitely see where you're coming from. The execution was not worth 5000+ up votes. AND if it were posted on a 4chan critique thread it'd get destroyed.
put meme in front of any reference to arrows in literature.
That very time I saw, but thou couldst not,
Flying between the cold moon and the earth,
Cupid all arm'd: a certain aim he took
At a fair vestal throned by the west,
And loosed his meme-shaft smartly from his l'bow,
As it should pierce a hundred thousand hearts;
But I might see young Cupid's fiery memeshaft
Quench'd in the chaste beams of the watery moon,
And the imperial votaress passed on,
In maiden meditation, fancy-free.
Yet mark'd I where the memebolt of Cupid fell:
It fell upon a little western flower,
Before milk-white, now purple with meme's wound,
And maidens call it meme-in-idleness.
>166 posts later and nothing is said about what this literary movement might say
It will deal with the problem of authenticity and sincerity.
It will deal with the breakdown and mixing of culture, where all cultures from the past and around the world are known and brought back to make new culture. Strong focus on the East, since its the strangest to the West while still being comfortably familiar.
It will be against the post-modern, however this is defined. It will be against boredom, incompetence, patience, and most importantly, irony.
It will justify the reemergence of the hero.
>critique the fuck out of this so we can go somewhere
We should start a literary movement called "cat-fishing" where we slowly trick unsuspecting victims into developing feelings for us in order to get info on and potentially physical contact with their cat/s. We can develop some kind of standardized series of messages that are sensitive to the type of person being cat-fished.
Can we talk about Howard Bloom?
Is he insane?
Have you seen some of those youtube videos?
I thought he was decent when I was like, 16 and still edgy enough to watch Amazing Atheist, but goddamn.
Was he always that bad?
I'm aware of that, that's beside the point. I was trying to say that the majority of these people on reddit are not only posting their compositions but also THINN IT'S GOOD. And this is A LOT of people we are talking about. And nobody ever tears them apart. Lots of casual readers pop in and say they're doing really well. It's a travesty of justice.
I've already posted about what it'll be - it'll be presented as 4chan, like the magic of greentexting, where you have no idea how many planes of consciousness exist; what's real and what's not; you just read and suspend reality. It'll deal with the irony of the 21st century, like how we all feel overwhelmed by pretty much anything - take for instance a Facebook news feed, but we keep refreshing it anyway. Boredom will play a huge part in it as well. The struggle for the technological age to find itself an identity will work as a self-referential meta fictional device.
when has literature been in the business of solving anything?
it's in the same business as everyone else: complaining about everything so that the people with the mad munz CAN solve it maybe.
Definitely a brush footed butterfly, you can tell by the stunted forelegs on the thorax above the more apparent middle pair. You're such a qt3.14 butterfly, would mount as individual specimen/10
You look like my ex, i didn't asked for these feels
Does somewhat, but I tried to keep it as common denominator as possible just to get something going. Also why I didnt bring up religion or politics
But as a solution to boredom, the solution has to be instilling passion.
Trying to be authentic and sincere is at least a challenge, that isnt boring. Having a mixed culture like I mentioned gives you options.
As far as what I personally think is a solution to boredom, it probably has to deal with facing death. I've had a near death experience, and it really made me care. About everything. One thing I no longer cared about, however, was my image and how people thought of me. For example, im sure someone reading what I just wrote might cringe, thinking something like, this guy thinks hes a special snowflake.
My reaction to this is not caring. There doesnt seem to be an objective perspective on the world, so being jaded or inspired by the world are both justified or equally unjustified. The person saying, stop lying to yourself about the world being beautiful or moving, somehow thinks that they know the truth about the world, which is flawed.
The above for me was the solution to boredom.
I didn't nearly die, but I had an extremely traumatic experience that temporarily made me have a fantastic outlook and want to do literally everything I could.
Then I stopped having to take tons of pain meds, sleep upright, and eat all my food pureed and all progress I made went into the shitter.
Actually the only things that remained permanent were my new-found firsthand knowledge of blunt trauma to the body and face, and my replacement of "thanks" with "thank you".
Well the theory I mentioned for beating boredom in the adult world of today involves hanging on to your childhood dreams and doing whatever you can to make them come true. That's passion of a sort.
I like the way you think, even though I disagree about /lit/'s potential to do anything creative.
Whenever I don't know what I should be doing, I ask myself "What would 7-year-old anon say?"
It's never led me wrong, except when it comes to eating too much candy. Kids are very good at being happy and well-adjusted.
Haha thank you. Kids see things very clearly. Wrongly but clearly. As we grow up we put obstructions in the way.
Anyway I really should go to sleep right now, hopefully this thread will be around in the morning.
What you're describing is the rejection of end-directed thinking. The idea that an activity is only worthwhile if it has a clear and intended outcome, and if not, it is looked upon with disparaging bewilderment or suspicion. Society is boring because people think there is a point to being alive, that the things we do are a necessary means to some end.
Looking at this thread, its pretty apparent that /lit/ cant make a literary movement
The only possibility if a writer makes it, and comes back to /lit/, or somehow makes it and discovers /lit/
Its just going to turn into tripfag nonsense or incompetence
i'm not worried. it's only /lit/ and i can't be too Adorish or else it'll backfire. just snoop around /soc/ occasionally
i'm finally starting to write again 2k words since i posted my behind.
/lit/ will have an invisible influence on a few writers; some directly, some indirectly, but obviously we're never really gonna be some kind of movement.
Look at gatheryourparty.com: they were the darling of /v/, and now /v/ is totally turning on them for basically no reason at all.
Communities change, opinions change, and /v/ in particular can't handle the fact that it never had a good idea in the first place.
>/lit/ is commonly cited as the best topic board on 4chan
Literally ever one thinks we're just /mu/ for books, and that really isn't far from becoming a reality with all the tripfags shitting up the place.
Holy shit, I gotta starting lifting again if it means looking like that. I stopped after a month because my lifting buddy wanted to stop and I was too much of a pussy bitch to go to the weight room alone...
Yeah I want abs like that. I'm going back. I will be strong and make my grandma proud
Lifting not only improves your body, but also discipline your habits. Helps you to eat well, stop smoking and improves mood. /fit/ really is helpful
Source: Personal experience
we're all gonna make it
i never understood the need to create a movement, especially a literary movement. if anything we should embrace the anonymity that 4chan provides. it prevents us from being labeled this or that, which is all calling something a movement really is. as soon as we become labeled as standing for one thing or another, the entire movement will be stone-walled and thus any sort direction the 'movement' was representative of will simply become a pigeonholed generalization. it will become incapable of changing or evolving once the flair of the 'new literary movement' dies out and become cosigned to history by, for lack of a better term, the superstructure. put simply it will lose all the power the anonymity actually grants us.
I want to agree with that
But considering we have half this thread full of namefag circlejerking and said namefags jump on every thread on this slow board my vote is put on hold
But yes I've read some of the funniest posts on here
We should tell the story about how butterfly is our janitor again. This time I think we should pretend she's a mod because that would make us seem especially important and nothing at all like a primitive backwater.
...smoking makes you cool,
And smoking makes you rule.
So just light up a smoke and you'll never go broke
And you'll be the most popular kid in school-
But only if you smoke Parliament.
P.S. I love the song you quoted, they are a terrific group and the frontmab is especially great, love all his stuff.
P.S.S I actually smoke Pall Malls, the classy way to kill yourself.
Yes, It's a funny place.
A board with the body as main topic is obvious that has "N-no homo" as regular meme
Insecurities. Troll culture brings it out in them. If he's not just trying to amuse himself, it's that he's trying to make himself feel superior. We can only hope they just bottle that false sense of confidence up before they spray it on people they know IRL.
If that's /fit/, is this /lit/?
There's nothing up with my cheek other than smiling and advancing age.
Here's a non-smiling non-dimple shot.
...Oh, this thread doesn't have long till the 300 cap
oh yeah sry i missed that post. i didn't really care for the one you posted recently on /lit/, kinda amateurish compared to what you had been doing previously, but it's good to explore different styles.
i'm kind of stuck creatively.
i thought you were someone i knew irl and was about to choke lol
okay, I'll become a hotshot literary editor, and the secret code word will be "movement movement." Stick it in your manuscripts and I'll get in touch.
You'll know me when you see me.
Yeah honestly I just sorta banged that one out, and I usually have to get into the mood by listening to old folk music and reading some whitman
I think I'll try to force myself to just write a few tonight cuz I'm trying to get back into writing
stay tuned on angusdagdasson.tumblr.com
yeah i follow you. do you read any of my stuff?
i'm starting to write a lot more creation-type prose. i'm really trying to get my memoirs down because i really feel like i've lived enough to do that at this point but it's hard because ptsd
Yeah I've read some of ur stuff, and I like the direction that it's heading in.
I'd like to read your memoirs because you seem like an interesting person from what I can decipher from your poems