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>be Catholic
>read Les Miserables
>the values espoused in the novel are quintessentially Catholic
>it turns out Victor Hugo hated Catholicism with a passion and the whole book is a satire of everything the Catholic Church wasn't at that time
Has anyone else had a similar experience in liking a book for all the wrong reasons?
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>>9605783
Not really, but Les Mis is one of the few books that made me feel genuinely sad.
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>>9605783
I remember reading Fahrenheit 451 thinking it was a criticism of censorship and loving it when it was actually a criticism of the western devaluation of literature.
I still do love the book though.
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First time I read "The Name of the Rose" I was completely unaware of the historical and philosophical references, and just enjoyed it as detective fiction in the Middle Ages.
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Hi /lit/
I am a student who seeks to accelerate their progress in English literature
What are your recommendations? Books, talks, tips and hints. Anything at all.
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>>9605560
You should read my diary duse-dseu-desu
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Start with the GREEKS and the FUCKING BIBLE
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>>9605560
What do you mean? Are you trying to learn how to read faster?
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>My life truly was an infinite jestWhere can I read his suicide note?
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>>9605527
your diary desu
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>>9605527
I was wondering the same thing. Where can I read his suicide note?
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why bother reading someone who couldn't even live with himself. the only sincere moment in the life of David Foster wallace was when he kicked away the chair. the rest of his life was a lie, the new sincerity was a joke whose punchline was the creaking of a leather belt around the rafter.his literary career was a menagerie of self help lies told to keep his depression at bay. the audience pussy and drugs were the ghosts at that feast of hypocrisy. the depression was warranted because behind all the gimmicks and the self awareness and the bandannas was no discernible talent
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His books contain more profound and human reflections on existance than most "literary" fiction I see coming out today
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I note you say "see" and not "have read".
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>babby's first ebin bait
Go away, summerfag. Pratchett is delightful, but not profound in any way unless you're severely underage.
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Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged does a much better job than Pratchett's children's books on the world economy.
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In three separate threads today, anons have stated that they "fell for the Moby Dick meme."
Friendly reminder– your opinions on the text are retarded, ill-informed, and based on nothing. This isn't a bad thing. It's merely a fact.
Your opinion does not matter because you are stupid and uneducated, because you are lazy and unwilling to give the text the attention it deserves. You have always been this way. You will always be this way. I have always been this way. Become aware of your ignorance, and then, for all that is holy on this earth, be quiet.
Most people do not deserve a voice, including you. If you've reduced Moby Dick to a meme to fall for, stop reading. Stop voting. Stop participating. You have nothing to say. You are another expendable glob of useless flesh being tossed around by the world. Wake up, go to work, shut your mouth, go to sleep. Repeat.
You're flooding the airways. Give up.
https://youtu.be/xFt59_E_g5s
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moby dick is a meme
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>>9605180
>he fell for the Moby Dick meme
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i agree OP.
and also, why does every pleb think that "art is entirely subjective" is their own unique thought that needs sharing
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>tfw the American academy is not teaching the literary giants that its country has produced over the past half century (Gaddis, Barth, Coover, McElroy, Gass, DeLillo, Pynchon, Mccarthy, Vollmann, Wallace) to professionally explain the golden rule over and over again.
seriously, wtf. I know you guys like to meme and make fun of the memes as well, but you really cannot deny these authors are doing/did serious work and deserve to be studied over the bullshit they crowd their program with now.
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>>9605114
I thought this was a serious post until I saw Pynchon in that list
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>>9605114
i know for a fact that both harvard and yale have had classes on most of those authors
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>>9605114
>serious work
Good luck qualifying this faggot, I'll see you on the other side of the river that begins with Kant and ends with Flusser. In all seriousness though, remove DFW and you've a fine list whatever that means.
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>for years I've been calling everyone under the sun a dilettante
>mfw I've been pronouncing it incorrectly
https://youtu.be/1qwJQtmIt98
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Actually its pronounced like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhZ_TjbGj5U
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>>9605043
Italian loanwords sound gay out loud so just pronounce it however you want
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Does epistemology have any practical uses? Reading some of the skeptical claims in Meditations and it seems like even if it was true it wouldn't make a single difference to anyone
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>>9604866
>Does epistemology have any practical uses?
Do you like being deceived?
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>>9604870
no
but even if I was deceived it wouldn't make a difference
If I was just a brain being stimulated to believe the things I see, or some demon throws up an illusion around me, there's nothing I can do about it to either stop it or escape from it.
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>>9604894
Nevermind, then, enjoy your fake news and do what you're told.
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>mfw the only worthy piece of spanish in literature in Don Quixote
>mfw the rest is trash
>mfw
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That's not true. Just look through Borges' recommendations
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you're trash
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>>9604847
You said what we're all thinking.
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Hello, i am in dire need of guidance.
I've been reading Marx lately, as one of my exams revolve around Marxism (or well, one of the questions, and i chose Marxism. I can still change it tho) specifically The German Ideology, part 1, Idealism and Materialism + The Illusion of the Epoch.
The problem is, i understand close to zero of it.
My native language is not English, but this one course is in English, and the texts are all similar to this.
How do i understand this/actually read it? Atm. it's like i read it and then i just instantly forget what i read because it's written so advanced... Help
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>>9604473
Get a traduction in your native language, and use it to understand what the english text means.
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>>9604473
If you're lost try reading the SEP article on Marx and the small works it discusses.
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Check out marxists.org and https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/marx/
did u know this guy wrote shakespeare and maybe don quixote?
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UH YOU WERENT SUPPOSED TO TELL ANYONE? KYLE??? BAKA TEXT ME
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He is not a black woman though.
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>>9604467
My distant reading techniques think otherwise
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Please leave this board and never return if you agree with any of the following sentences:
>you read any form of genre fiction
>you barely know your classics
>you tend to believe that if you like a given work, it is justified on an artistic level
>you think everyone's opinion should be accepted and respected
>you speak a single language
>you read contemporary versions of Shakespeare or Milton
>you read for the plot
>you read for entertainment
>you rarely read nonfiction
>you don't have a solid grounding in philosophy
>you do not at least have some understanding of the Three Tragedians and Homer
>you have little to no understanding of literature outside of your cultural horizon
>you have little to no understanding of literature within your own cultural horizon (muh african authors)
>you mostly read contemporary literature
>you believe 'the author is dead'
>you make your literary analysis proceed from ideology
>you think intricate prose is 'pretentious' and that the author 'should just get to the point'
>your rarely read poetry
>you think Rhythm and Rhyme is just useless rules and laws restricting creativity
>you have a hard time explaining why you like a given work
>you have a hard time forming structured and relevant literary criticism
>you tend to refuse to judge works for yourself, rather relying on the opinions of literary authorities
>you rarely read for more than one or two hours straight
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Hello Tallis.
Fuck off.
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Okay, I'll leave.
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Agree with 11 - how bad is it?
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Is this the pinnacle of literature?
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>>9603781
It's smarter then 90% of people on lit. that's not a very high hurdle to pass but is might mean something.
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No, this is
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>>9603781
desu these books captured my imagination as a kid. do they play with tropes in a way which teaches kids to think in some kind of, dare i say it, postmodernist, framework in later life?
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I read the Theban Plays by Sophocles before Oresteia by Aeschylus. Can I continue with the Oresteia now or did I fuck it up?
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No you will find it physically impossible to open the book now that you've read Sophocles.
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>>9603687
Why? If this genuine?
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>>9603692
*is
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Anyone else read this? I enjoyed it
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what is it?
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>>9603668
a book
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>>9603668
It's hard to think of something I'd compare it to. Science fiction, for lack of a better descriptor.