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>inb4 my diary desu
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>>9644164
An abridged totality of X's works.
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>>9644171
Simple but still interesting.

I thought maybe "An Old Man in a Dry Month."

Feel free to post memoir titles too.
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>>9644164
Unironically, 'My Twisted Universe'

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>I have always bought books
>I always bought books

Grammatically I know the difference, I think, but you're still saying the exact same thing, aren't you?
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It seems to me the first is continuing and the second has ended.
As in the first one implies you still always buy books, and the second that you used to always buy books.
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My understanding is what >>9644127 said.
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Neither sounds correct to me desu
>I have always been buying books
>I always used to buy books
t. ESL

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What's the best translation for Goethe's Faust?

I have David Luke's translation in my hand right now, should I comp or nah?
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>>9644034
The image says:
>Luke
>Arndt - Critical
>Kaufmann - Accessible
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>>9644041

What does "critical" means? As in he interprets the work, or as in he is essential?
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curious german reader here; do they keep the translation in rhymes or do they just translate it to prose?

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I'm currently planning to write a book about a guy and his friends that started going to the university, with focus on their lives, feelings, and projects
I'd like get some advice from you, because I'm new in the whole creative writing thing.
I'm not forcing myself into this, I didn't just wake up and say "hey let's write a book", it's a story I always wanted to bring to life
It's not going to be yet another tumblr girl book: irony is going to be an important element of the whole novel, it doesn't have to be something heavy, but instead it should be enjoyable by people from 16 to 24 years old

So, long story short: any suggestion for a newbie writer?
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>>9644014
You don't plan literary devices. You write meaningfully then artistically mask your own meaning
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Learn the elements of plot. Use them.

Seriously, the first mistake newbie writers make is forgetting about plot. You don't have to follow some paint0by-numbers bullshit outline. But give your readers a fucking story.
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>>9645098
t. insufferable peanut-brained genrepleb

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>4250 pages for a creepypasta-tier loop ending
>Prefacing that shit ending with an explanation of why he's about to fuck it up
>Having Roland's archenemy put up a less exciting fight than a tunnel worm
>Having a minor character simply erase the fucking Crimson King.

Why would anyone do this? ;_;
Where do I go from here?
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I really liked the first book, which was originally written as a series of short stories, because the ending was open and because it didn't try to answer every single question.

I bought the next three books, which were written straight out as novels, and I fucking hated them. Worse, I later read that SK went back and altered the first book so that it was in line with the later novels.

So the only one I own today if the first book, and it is the version first printed before he revised it.
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>Where do I go from here?

Block him on twitter then move on to actual literature.
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about 250 pages in an hour
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7 trillion
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30-50 pages per hour.

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Niggardly
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>>9643881
They would probably own 19th century philosophers in a debate.
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>>9643960
The language barrier would be too great. There would be no debate.

Hello, brothers!
Here we formed a small dispute about Weird Fiction.
I am told that there is such a genre, and I reply that this genre has too blurry frameworks. The adepts of Weird Fiction are enrolled in this "genre" of all in a row, they rake in Edgar Poe, Akutagawa, Machen.
I understand that they are based on Weird Tales and Lovecraft, but fuck, Lovecraft's influence is dispersed throughout all the horror writers.
In my opinion, this term is erroneous. Too many different genres, too many different writers.
Am I right or not?
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Genres are arbitrary categories, anyway. The only true differences are between the literary forms that distinguish novels, poems, plays, operas, religious texts, anthologies, short stories, scholarly works, etc. If we're going to be this nitpicky about applying this descriptor then we have to be for all others. You're not right. You're autistic and you misunderstand the parameters whereby a class of literature comes into being. A class of literature is not itself a book or groups of books, it is a category into which these books fall. As long as people are thinking of these books in these terms, the category will exist. Lovecraft and Poe get pretty weird; they write fiction; why not apply this adjective to their fiction? It's not like either is a straight up Gothic writer; there's an undeniable strangeness to what they write that is at the heart of their style. The general associations that people make when they hear Lovecraft's name are associations with weird things. Weirdos also tend to like Lovecraft more than normal people. Poe is more normalfag-friendly but he's also an objectively superior writer whose name hasn't been tarnished by the same kinds of nerds as Lovecraft, most of whom think that Cthulu is funny or oh so randumb or something. Once in a blue moon you'll find fiction influenced by Lovecraft that goes beyond the level of the 'weird,' but it rarely happens.
You're wrong, basically. Genres are social constructs moreso than most social constructs.
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Yeah 'Weird fiction' is a sort of nebulous category that began with cosmic horror but seems to have extended into stories that are sort of surreal, absurd or even philosophical. I think if Borges was writing now and Magical Realism was never a thing, he'd be categorised as Weird Fiction.
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"Supernatural fiction"

but "supernatural" conjures up images of ghosts and werewolfs, which is not always what we're going for. We want to attract post-goths as well as goths.

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I'm about to finish Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I'll be done by the end of the month. I've loved it, although I think there's a lot of it I haven't understood. It's the first Nietzsche I've read.

The part I've liked the best is what I understand as the meaning of the term "beyond good and evil", namely- looking past a moral code and looking for what that society, or that person, value(s). It is from attributing value to something that good and evil grow. And a creator is someone who dares assign value, rather than just follow those that have been created by others. An over-man is he who dances with ease over the spirit of heaviness- it is someone who looks through what gives heaviness weight and refuses to be held by it.

I would like to read more about this. Maybe this question answers itself, but I figured there's no harm in asking: first of all- would you agree with my understanding of the over-man? And second: is the book "Beyond Good and Evil" where I ought to go if this is what I like best about Nietzsche? Frankly I like his style in Zarathustra a hell of a lot too, it's a beautiful and fun book to read, really a great read. That's something I appreciate about him too. Is BGaE similar in style?
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yes read beyond good and evil next then on the genealogy of morals then the will to power to gain a better grasp of what he was trying to say in thus spoke zarathustra

thus spoke is written completely unlike his other stuff. the 3 texts I mentioned above are al extended essays that allow you to understand him much more easily.

>would you agree with my understanding of the over-man?
I don't think you provided an understanding of that, you just used some of the same words he used. its the meaning behind those words which are important and you can get a better sense of that meaning by reading his other works
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>>9643832
the origin of it all eludes me, where the will to power would come from. what's the point, so to speak. from Zarathustra I get the impression that that is *his* heaven, not a generalized heaven. Being a creator is what he values.

do you think Nietzsche was a believer in free will? do you think he thinks there are basic, common evaluations, such as hunger being bad, or is it all created by us at some point? maybe that's part of what the other texts talk about.
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>>9643855
>>do you think Nietzsche was a believer in free will?
no, he explicitly rejected it.

>do you think he thinks there are basic, common evaluations, such as hunger being bad, or is it all created by us at some point?
you seem to be confusing practical evaluations with moral evaluations. his focus was on moral evaluations.

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Anybody read this ? This is my first book from Gardner btw.
As a philosophy teacher myself (France, high school teacher) I kinda recognize myself in the character although I'm far from being as fucked up.
The atmosphere & writing are really beautiful and ominous, I agree with the philosophical views. The intellectuals quarrels depicted are still very much up to date, especially the disdain of the analytical faggots against "classicism". Mickelsson's melancholy when it comes to his classic heritage, especially when it comes to his grandfather, is interesting and well done too. I wonder how much of this is autobiographical...
Is Gardner read a lot in the US ? He's barely known here.
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>>9643796
You've come to the wrong board froggie.
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>>9643796
Grendel is read pretty frequently. On Moral Fiction has its followers but it was much more influential back in the 1980's than it is today. I haven't read Mickelsons Ghosts.
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> is Gardner read a lot in the US ?

High Schoolers typically read Beowulf and then Gardner's novel Grendel; beyond that, his works are not read here.

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i want to read instead of 4chan like harold blomb

is pain and suffering the only way?
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>>9643685

no reading books is the only way
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>>9643688
but it causes me pain
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It would be very painful>>9643688

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Hey, /lit/. Just wondering if anyone could recommend me some great books on psychology/sociology/social science and leave a sentence or two about the subject matter of what you posted or why you chose it. Thanks to those who post you are greatly appreciated!
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Just get a buncha text books
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Civilization and its Discontents remains my favorite book on why we can't have nice things, and the shortest introduction to psychoanalysis
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>>9643521

Explain, in a cognitive way, what is the meaning, how it is proceeded and how to manipulate it.

Some knowledge in Peircean and Greimasian semiotics is required.
French language

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Why is self destruction so romantic?
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>>9643510
Because you're 15.
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>>9643510
LOL anyone else imagining the cat saying this?
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>>9643510
It goes against the norms and got a flair of rebellion about it.

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Does anyone else think that intellectual pretensions in art produce nothing but bullshit? lit is kind of horrific. Everything related to Literary "Theory" is post hoc trend spotting or unfalsifiable extrapolation.

And lit is so taken with this and the laughable veneer of intellectualism that academia gives, it starts denigrating books that don't write about "worthy" topics (inb4 "but e Pynchon pooo"), or are written in certain ways, or don't have "allusions" or rim the cannon or, in short, facilitate the pretensions of Literary Theory and pseudo intellectualism in general, among authors and readers.

The concepts of fun and enjoyment are denigrated. I guess that's because boring things are associated with intelligence, such as boring things in education, but also because, at the most general, fun maybe relies on novelty, which is probably outside any "theories" asserted by academics and pseudointellectuals, or is maybe just a badly understood process.

So here we are. If you say you don't enjoy gigantic amounts of Pynchon rambling in Gravity's Rainbow, you're allegedly an idiot. If you don't like non sequitur filled post modernist books in general, that are written for English Literature majors to deconstruct, you're allegedly an idiot.

It's funny that these appeals to intellectualism and wide reading never ever extend themselves in to fields that require numeracy or rigour.
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Sophistication of craft has been supplanted by sophistication of theory. Just as there are very few masters of craft there are very few masters of theory. I don't really care about the people who don't 'get it'.
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Absolutely. I'm not an anti-intellectual either. I support academic philosophy 100% even if it's not all great.
But lit theory is a cancer filled with delusional frauds and authentic crazies.
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Sorry I am new to this board, but are fanatasy novels and sci-fi also included in /lit/?

Also what are the reasons some people like Shakespeare or authors like that that are completely outdated and are incredibly hard to understand? I am genuinely curious.

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>>9643443
my diary desu
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