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Is this book a warning?
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no, this is a warning:
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get off my lawn
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yes, stop being a pseud it says

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>But what Adorno saw in Schönberg's twelve-tone serialism was exactly a strictly ordered way of advancing contemporary music as a guard against the new free form improvisatory styles of jazz. These new improvisatory styles, especially in their radical free forms, was in general embraced by the European art vanguards from the surrealists onwards.

>Adorno hated this 'degeneracy' and wanted to save classical composition, a semi-reactionary position. He is very much contrary to the general avant-garde movements.

Whoever you are, you're so completely wrong that I can't let it stand. Adorno endorsed and fraternized with Schönberg well before the twelve-tone system was designed; at the time of the Vienna avant-garde Schönberg's compositions were simply atonal, although Adorno would later acknowledge that within atonal composition, twelve-tone systems act as a "gravitational pull" toward systematization of what is essentially an improvisational form, even if the improv doesn't unfold in real time as with jazz.

As to jazz, you're also completely wrong about that. The jazz Adorno was going after was Tin-Pan alley mass produced gunk, not the kind of music we associate with miles davis or ornette coleman; that was largely unavailable to him. Adorno went after what we would call Muzak today, and it was dominated by rigid 1-5-4-1 chord progressions, and what you call improv scarcely had more variation than a child's first keyboard solo. In short Adorno saw "jazz" (it needs scare quotes now because his target is also closer to what we call pop) as stultifying, demanding rigid, formalistic conformity, while at the same time through the solo perpetuating the myth of its free-formedness. Not to mention the focus on the individual performer at the expense of the band or orchestra was perfectly instrumental for capitalist-consumerist ideology.

You're historically ignorant. Read up, reactionary bitch.
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>taking music seriously
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Ok. I don't wanna talk about Adorno anymore than that, i wanna talk about Schoenberg, why is he so underrated?
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>>9645490
He lived to witness later jazz and it didn't make him change his mind.
>>9645871
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEY9lmCZbIc
>worthless garbage
yore the carbatch

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Who is your favorite right-wing writer?
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I am
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>>9645459
>wearing suede in a place where it snows a lot
no wonder he killed himself
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>>9645459
DFW is /lit/'s guy
Fantano is /mu/'s guy
Mike and Jay are /tv/'s guys
/v/ has no guys, because video game "culture" is full of imbeciles.

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>Its been two weeks since I've read a book /lit/
>I feel like shit
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>>9645388
I definitely feel more impulsive, emotionally unstable and mentally weaker if I haven't read in a week or so
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>feel that I have quite specific tastes in genres
>have read nearly all the well regarded books in those genres

My motivation to read has hit rock bottom recently. Feels like I have nothing left to discover whilst at the same time knowing that that is due to me not being willing to diversify to genre tastes.
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>>9645479
Keep searching. Most of the books I've enjoyed have been at least somewhat obscure. There are countless masterpieces waiting to be discovered. Once you realize this for yourself your problem will be that you don't have enough time to discover them all.

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How many books do you have to read to be able to say you're well read?
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Depends how well you read them.
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Just read the synopsis of 1000 books and you'll be ahead of most people.
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>>9645383
None, apparently.

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Does anyone else feel this way? I'm sure I'm not the only one but I want to hear other people's thoughts. Are there other books that deal with similar themes that don't suck btw?
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Yeah, I agree with Mencken, who called it a glotified anecdote. Read Tender is the Night
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>>9645292
>The Great Gatsby is Overrated
Wow what a strange and weird statement to hear on /lit/! I bet no one here will agree with this!
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>>9645292
The pity is that this great book is wasted on high school students, who resent having to read it, like Conrad is as well.

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Is it weird that I just intuitively "get" what Joyce was trying to do in Finnegan's Wake? I mean, I don't even have to puzzle over it. The first time I read it I couldn't believe the people who said it was "difficult", it seems like something I would just think to myself but written down.
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>>9645263
you're a pseud desu
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>>9645263
everyone has an author that they "get". It just happens that the one you get is a genius schizo that no one understands
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>>9645263
I want to intuitively "get" the source of that image

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Does isolation foster creativity or hinder it?
I have stepped outside perhaps 15 times since Christmas. I feel as though I should be miserable and jaded, but it's neutral. A bit bleak at times, but it's neutral. When I think about my agoraphobic situation, I become extremely depressed and realize how truly sad it is, but during these moments of anguish I realize that my reclusion allows me to develop an understanding of myself without interference of the perception of others. This is likely dangerous and it is definitely unhealthy.
When I force myself to go out, my writing and artwork becomes more lively and optimistic, but very plain. When I coddle my anxiety and choose to stay inside for a year straight, my writing is dark but much better and more dynamic than what I write when semi-active.

Are there any essential books about reclusive individuals that I should check out, maybe even written by recluses? I've been avoiding fiction for so long to focus on continental philosophy. I need a refreshing retreat. I just want to be able to relate to a book for once. Being so controlled by anxiety is hellish. It rules my life. I don't really want to read anything about slightly awkward guys who have social anxiety. Is there /any/ book about extreme, unrelenting anxiety and loneliness?
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>>9645225
This is a slow board, you don't need to bump it that often.

Why would you even bump it without checking how far down it's fallen? If you'd lurked for any time at all no doubt you'd have found an answer to your question without having to make a thread, even. Twat.
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>>9645220
you're a faggot
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i recommend ''un homme qui dort''

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Is World War 2 the Trojan War of our time? It informs much of popular media, and has been doing that for the last couple of decades.
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No, it's the WWII of our time. The Trojan War is the Trojan War of our time.
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>>9645214
Yes and Harry Potter is our Odyssey.
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Yeah sure. Except the Greeks would start making up their own facts and characters and blamed the gods for it all.

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What is essential Egyptian literature?
The Sumerians are older and I want to add the Egyptians in between them and the Greeks.

Yeah yeah start with the Greeks, but I'm aiming at historical timing to figure out when philosophy's come about. How people viewed life in each empire...
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>>9645212
I dont think theres really anything to read in between gilgamesh and the greeks my man. And if there is, i dont think its been published. Could be wrong though.
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hymn to the aten since that's the first mention of the god the jews started worshipping when moses (high priest of the aten) was exiled after the return to polytheism following the early death (murder) of tutankaten (better known to plebs as tutankamun)
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Pyramid Texts
Coffin Texts
Book of Going Forth By Day
Book of Gates
Dialogue Between A Man and His Ba (suicide letter!)

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What are some right wing proposals of a political and economic system?

I read into the whole dark enlightenment/moldbug thing but he is just an edgy libertarian and Evola only criticized capitalism for being too materialist but never proposed anything different
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>>9645123
Check out Corporatism (it's not crony-capitalism, like the lolbergtarians who bastardize the word would have you believe) and syndicalism. A good tl;dr on the Corporative system is "The Coming Corporate State."
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>>9645236
Is rightist syndicalism very different to leftist syndicalim?
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>>9645123
Distributism, as espoused by Chesterton.

>According to distributists, property ownership is a fundamental right,[12] and the means of production should be spread as widely as possible, rather than being centralized under the control of the state (state socialism), a few individuals (plutocracy), or corporations (corporatocracy). Distributism, therefore, advocates a society marked by widespread property ownership.[13] Co-operative economist Race Mathews argues that such a system is key to bringing about a just social order.[14]

>Distributism has often been described in opposition to both socialism and capitalism,[15][16] which distributists see as equally flawed and exploitive.[17] Thomas Storck argues: "both socialism and capitalism are products of the European Enlightenment and are thus modernizing and anti-traditional forces. Further, some distributists argue that socialism is the logical conclusion of capitalism as capitalism's concentrated powers eventually capture the state, resulting in a form of socialism.[18][19] In contrast, distributism seeks to subordinate economic activity to human life as a whole, to our spiritual life, our intellectual life, our family life".[20]

>Some have seen it more as an aspiration, which has been successfully realised in the short term by commitment to the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity (these being built into financially independent local cooperatives and small family businesses), though proponents also cite such periods as the Middle Ages as examples of the historical long-term viability of distributism.[21] Particularly influential in the development of distributist theory were Catholic authors G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc,[17] the Chesterbelloc, two of distributism's earliest and strongest proponents.[22][23]

>Chesterton believes that whilst God has limitless capabilities, man has limited abilities in terms of creation. As such, man therefore is entitled to own property and to treat it as he sees fit. He states “Property is merely the art of the democracy. It means that every man should have something that he can shape in his own image, as he is shaped in the image of heaven. But because he is not God, but only a graven image of God, his self-expression must deal with limits; properly with limits that are strict and even small.”[39] Chesterton summed up his distributist views in the phrase "Three acres and a cow".

Looking for a specific kind of book here, lads. Something that has lots of different creatures from lore either being hunted / killed or just living in the world, interacting with eachother. Stuff like fae, ghouls, goblins etc. Fairytale creatures are fine too. The more diverse the cast of creatures, the better. Ring any bells for anyone? The only thing I can find that is close to this is the "Monster Hunter International" series, but that is clearly just pure and utter schlock. Would like atleast some semblance of competent writing.

I read some stuff like Perdido Street Station and The Rat King by China Mieville recently, and want something like that, but with actual established creatures / monsters / lore / whatever.

Also, any books set in the medieval times / middle ages that are primarily horror / spooky shit?

Have a cute korean girl for your efforts.
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by "The Rat King" I meant King Rat, of course.
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a-anyone?
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>>9645072
Not sure this is what you're looking for, but The Castle of Otranto by Horace Walpole is supposed to be kind of spooky.

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brazilian writers: are they underrated? do you have favorites?
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perhaps
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augusto cury
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quite possibly

I'm looking for some books about sailors. Do you have any recommendation ?
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william falconer
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>>9645044
David Cordingly, if you're looking for non-fiction
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>>9645044
Moby Dick

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how do i become authentic, /lit?
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Try LSD and find out.
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That is the most absurd question to ask other people.
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you are lying to yourself, so stop that. Once you think you are honest with yourself, you are still lying to yourself and need to stop. Rinse and repeat.

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