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ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy spooky!!!!!!!! DEEEP!!!!

Cervantes compared to Foster Wallace

>>9646277
What does that even mean in this context, you babbling idiot?

>>9646213


We are the whore
Intellectually spayed
We are the queer
Dysfunctionally raised

One more pill to kill the pain
One more pill to kill the pain
One more pill to kill the pain
Living through conformity

One more prayer to keep me safe
One more prayer to keep us warm
One more prayer to keep us safe
There's gonna be a better place

Lost the battle, lost the war
Lost the things worth living for
Lost the will to win the fight
One more pill to kill the pain
The going get tough, the tough get debt
Don't pay attention, pay the rent
Next of kins pay for your sins
A little faith should keep us safe

Save us
The human, existence
Is failing, resistance
Essential, the future
Written off, the odds are
Astronomically against us
Only moron and genius
Would fight a losing battle
Against the super ego
When giving in is so damn comforting

And so we go, on with our lives
We know the truth, but prefer lies
Lies are simple, simple is bliss
Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat, live in decline
Be the victim of our own design
The status quo, built on suspect
Why would anyone stick out their neck?

Fellow members of
Club "We've Got Ours"
I'd like to introduce you to our host
He's got his, and I've got mine
Meet the decline

We are the queer
We are the whore
Ammunition
In the class war
We are worker
We love our queen
We sacrifice
We're soilent green

We are the queer
We are the whore
Ammunition
In the class war

Holy shit man

>>9646228

I know, its not mine though.

people call me a genius but i tihnk it's just cuz i'm aloof and creative.
i'm actually pretty dumb by most standards and i dont really believe in the idea at this point.
some people are weird, and some people work hard. that's about it.

>>9646179
I met Temple Grandin one time, she's a diagnosed autistic savant. She gave a lecture about ethical slaughter of animals. We had a brief conversation about animal rights and their distinction from human rights.

I also met Liza Lou, an artist who received a MacArthur 'Genius' Grant. She probably wasn't a real genius, in terms of IQ, but she had some neat opinions on the distinction of art and craft, especially as it is seen by traditional craftsman in Africa.

>>9646184
in other words, no

Socialist tradition is based on some kind of scientific basis of studying history or something.

>>9646167
They identify problems and not solutions

>>9646429
>socialism
>scientific basis
lmao

Yes.

Duh.

>>9646163
Nietzsche

OP here, I've come a bit closer to answering my own question. I think one of the cruxes of my misunderstanding has to do with the exchange value of labor not being what labor is "worth".

It's obvious that the laborer adds some kind of value to the process. Steel > iron + carbon; the disparity is labor. What wasn't clear to me is that a workers wage includes ONLY its exchange value (the amount required for the workers subsistence) rather than his exchange value + whatever he added to the value of the finished product. But, when considering the C-M-C process, it seems that commodities are usually only bought for what is required to produce them, so a worker being paid only what's required for his subsistence wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary. So perhaps the worker is being shafted because he's being treated like commodity in a C-M-C process even though he's engaging in a M-C-M process.

But I'm still not entirely clear on what to do about the specialization aspect I mentioned in OP. It seems like there are two competing theories each of which adequately explain the same datum (a commodity being sold for more than the worth of the sum of its parts).

>>9646155
This is pretty much correct, but a question just popped into my head - why does this labor have to be necessarily human or socially necessary? Be reminded of the definition of work in physics - the transfer of energy by force. Couldn't this surplus value be accounted by the energy needed to make the process of production happen (whether this energy is mediated via a worker working for wages or a machine that increases his productivity or renders him redundant in the process) rather than socially needed labor?

>>9646155
I don't particularly care to defend Marx's theory of value, but I have read Capital vol 1 somewhat recently.

>The exchange value of a commodity ends up being greater than the sum of the exchange values of the commodities and instruments of labor that go into its production. Assuming all raw materials were purchased at fair prices, the disparity must be accounted for in the amount paid for the labor the capitalist consumes.
Since socially necessary labor-time determines value, you don't even need to point to the cost of labor-power in particular to explain the increase. The labor required to produce the finished product from the materials itself bumps up value, let alone all the labor required to reproduce the worker's labor-power.

>what I don’t understand is why the exchange value of labor power is NECESSARILY less than the use value
I'm not sure if this makes sense given Marx's conception of "use-value," which is an object that can satisfy some need. The disparity appears when the worker produces more value than his labor-power is worth. Also, the value of labor-power is not *necessarily* less than the value the worker produces (this depends on how much/long the worker works), but the capitalist will make sure that the worker works enough to produce surplus value.

>>9646223
>What wasn't clear to me is that a workers wage includes ONLY its exchange value
This is just a consequence of the labor theory of value, applied to labor-power itself. Assuming a free/fair market, the average price of labor-power fits its value, and its value is determined by the socially necessary labor-time to reproduce it (labor-power). Labor-power is then used to produce more value than that of the labor-power bought. That's just what surplus value is for Marx. And for Marx, that's where the exploitation happens -- in the extraction of surplus value by the capitalist via the surplus labor of the worker. There's a whole bunch of dispute among Marxists on what it is about the extraction of surplus value/labor that makes it exploitative/bad (e.g., must it be coerced? etc.), but it's a clusterfuck and I wouldn't bother.

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>>9646151
Can someone make a VALIS one?
I'm not in my PC, and I couldnt find a pic that described what I got
Is making me go nuts

ESL here, how don't you understand the line? It seems pretty obvious to me. The minstrel (ie, the narrator) is destructive and nihilistic, so he laughs at the people who work, he is scornful towards their efforts and he is weaving webs around people's legs - metaphorically he is saying that he is undermining their work, causing them problems.

>>9645995
Scorn rhymes with corn and feet rhymes with wheat, that's what he is saying.

>>9646106
I don't think he's laughing at them. Scorning isn't the same as mocking. I'd say he's a necessary part of life and aware of that rather than being proud of it or happy about it.

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>>9645685
Read Flaubert's sentimal education, it's basically the same thing as this side of paradise (down to the almost exact same MC) except it's french and there are more horses

>>9645964
Thank you, anon. I'll read it.

No, it's been quite highly rated for centuries.

No, it's considered foundational and the main if not only literary work of note from Spain

>>9645620
How is it underrated? It's commonly cited as one of the greatest works of art in the history of civilization

epic owned
how will plato ever recover??

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>two thousand some years
>be me
>notice plebs who never read plato having the exact same conversations
>realize that plato is still the only one who got it right

>>9645578
Did Plato invent Xenophon too, you flaming homo?

i started forcing myself to never drop a gf if she takes black cock behind my back. you would be surprised how many blacks you hate turn out to have sweet tasting cum. start doing it tomodachi

why is she such a qt?

>>9645601
but I've been here since the dawn of moot I'm wtsnacks.

>>9645562
Leave this board and never return if you:

>make threads like OP's

>>9645757

came here to post this, except it was going to be

>if you post copypastas

also saged

>>9645757
>>9645770
>came here to post this

>>9645556
the dictionary is there in the book for a reason they will not be explained.

The dictionary is in the back of the book and explains most of the terms
Ill monitor this thread if you have any question that it doesn't answer

Why does everyone complain about the terms? It's just really intuitive fantasy speak.

>I'm god so just trust me
How do we know for a fact that a "revealed" knowledge and religion isn't the work of Satan himself and god is merely cringing for eternity because the devil convinced us to leave paradise to suffer and then convinced us he was god and convinced us that suffering was part of his plan. How do you know that when you pray that demons aren't intercepting the prayer energy and converting it into wet fart sounds before it reaches the ears of God? This to me is what The Castle was about.

>>9647750
>How do you know
we don't, hence leap of faith

don't think your theological scenario has as much weight as Milton's

>>9647800
I don't know about weight but I prefer The Castle to Paradise Loft as a theological comment anyway.