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What's it like having parents at all anon?

>>9650574
They don't exist, yet they love blaming the younger generation for their "ignorance".

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>>9650574
>my son read "On the Road"
>ask him how the job search is going
>can hear him typing on his mechanical keyboard as I am trying to sleep in the next room

define pleasure

BOOM QED NERD BET U NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT

It is actually very classical/medieval to regard happiness as illusory as far as considering it attainable in lifetime. Happiness was something you get after death either religiously in terms of the afterlife or by proxy of those still living who regard your life as exemplary.

>>9650287
Wow that guy is a fucking idiot

>>9650119
In last nights baudrillard thread, I posted the following suggestions for starting places.
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I suggest starting with America or the Transparency of Evil. Both are essentialy collections of aphorisms. It'll give you a good feel for him.

If you want to get into his theory on simulation, then Simulation and Simulacra, followed by The Perfect Crime are what you want.

Impossible Exchange is a good half-way point between simulation arguments and aphorism.

IF you want commentary on current events, then The Spirit of Terrorism, The Gulf War Did Not Take Place are good.

Passwords is a short book that functions as a Baudrillard Glossary of sorts. It's not a bad place to start and is really brief.

>>9650119

I never watched this and I never will lol

>>9650119
Before you dive into his books, I recommend The Jean Baudrillard Reader, edited by Steve Redhead. Baudrillard's views appeared to evolve during his career, and he wrote on a diverse range of topics; with the reader, you can find what most interests you and follow that.

>>9650102
>"real philosophy"
Do you mean the way that academic departments try to argue for their own existence?

>>9650104
gosh, i guess it just is higher levels of ruse all the way down...thank you for helping me develop this better understanding

Majoring in philosophy is a mistake

Get into writing angry letters to the editor

Copy favorite passages from favorite authors.

>>9650053
Just fucking write you fucking faggot holy shit

>>9649604
How many times do people like you have to be told?
She was part of a rich jewish family in Russia. When the bolshevicks took over the government came and took all their stuff away. She got pissed about and went and wrote Atlas Shrugged.
It's that simple. Nothing more nothing less.

why can't we just kill the poor?

>>9649604
Because there are conflicts of interest among rational men.

i too would like to know these things

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this has my attention tho

>>9649506
I've read his enquiry concerning human understanding a while back, I think I'm going to reread that and Descartes meditations real quick before i start kant

Yoruba lit is pretty cool.

>>9649474

many African works were written in the language of their colonizers, which means English, French, and Arabic

the patrician African language is kikuyu

Not op Are there good general or definitive works (in philosophy as well)

It is good, you moron.

Where'd you find it? I'm not seeing it on their website

That is just their generic ebook cover. Not final one (I hope).

you got it, my friend

welcome to modernity

Anon, I think you are asking important questions. Though I don't think it's really about what "makes sense", because even a bad method produces sense to us(in fact, that's how we delude ourselves). But you are right in asking the questions. I think the breaking point that can make you see the issue you are raising is in "speculation".

The verb "to speculate" is connected to seeing, to observing. When you speculate on something, you look from afar and take notes to yourself on what you are looking at is about. The word "perspective", interestingly enough also has the same -spec- inside of it, as in lens or mirror, also connected to seeing. All of this to say that to speculate is to stand by your perspective, you are still merely looking and thus you are limited to understanding things depending on how you position yourself towards the thing. Yes, speculation is conditioned by our perspective.

What I think is missing here is that the object is not necessarily unreachable just because you haven't reached it yet. Whereas we so often stand by the scientific and analytical position to stand back and look at what we are studying without interfering, there is another dimension of approach that is neglected in that. That is to talk to it and to hear from it, the dimension of hearing. I mean it in the sense that if there is this unknown dark place of what is outside your perspective, you can enter it, you can poke it, you can address it directly. That would alter it and you wouldn't know what was there before you poked it, but you will hear something, you'll hear a response from it (and even no response is a response). The price you must pay in other to do that, you must suspend speculation. That is, to stop projecting what you think there might be there and just go there.

I hope this is not too abstract for you to hear my point.

You have to be really disingenuous to claim you don't acknowledge that things exist absolutely outside of your mind

>>9648945
>imaginative literature
No. He was a very cynical man and he hated the idea of merely "imaginative literature". You can only read Gurdjieff and take something of value from it if you are serious about it and his ideas have already caught you in some way.

You start with Ouspensky's In Search of the Miraculous.

Then, you can read Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, then Meetings With Remarkable Men, then, if you so wish by that point, "Life is real only then, when 'I am'" (a long and uncapitalized title, which is why I put it all in quotes)

BTTHG should be read several times as Gurdjieff suggests in the beginning of it, but it's immaterial if you do that before or after reading the other works. It's just that it's impossible to fully understand it without reading it about three times, as Gurdjieff suggests, if not more.

watch the movie and see if u still dig it:

http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/meetings-with-remarkable-men-gurdjieff

it's a fun trip, although i have no idea if it really has much to do with his books. i sampled a little of beelzebub's tales and it just seemed like some wacky occult shit, which is some people like, but to me is like the pro-wrestling of philosophy/religious studies.

He's as esoteric as it gets. All the "fiction" in Beelzebub is just a filter, he straight up says this.

decent bait, will probably get a lot of (You)s

Infinite Jest is not a hard book. I got it as a teenager

It's an insecure book. It tries to cram as much clever fluff in to distract from the relatively superficial exploration of social theories

Contrast Gravity's rainbow, whose irreverent nature and layered imagery is actually part of the point, thus making you directly engage with it. Infinite Jest is a Xanax to make you think you're smart and feel comfortable with that

infinite jest is just a very clever and inventive comedy routine. nothing more. it's not hard to understand, but sometimes it can be kindof hard to read because of how different the prose can be at times than standard writing.

You read and you read and you read good literature.

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>>9648731
and what about epic memes?

nobody wants to read it

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Liberal jerking to themselves about how great their order is

>>9648562
Pulp nonfiction written for the lowest common denominator

>>9648562
A waste of time at best.

Isaiah Berlin
Charles Taylor
Michel Foucault
Jacques Derrida

In that order

>>9648549
unironically Georges Bataille

>>9648549
The greeks
Not even memeing