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Recommend western philosophy or literature dealing with:

>the Tibetan idea of the bardo/intermediate state of the soul between carnations
>Characters remembering a past life
>Your favorite arguments for the Soul

Someone died and I need to explore this stuff at this time.
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>>9655119
Pic related
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i'm yet to hear an argument for the soul being anything other than subjectivity, unless we take subjectivity itself to be evidence of the soul.
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Lincoln in the Bardo-George Saunders

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Is this actually worth studying? Seems it would take weeks just to skim it, probably years of continuous work to even remotely understand it. What's the point? Is it better to study one really convoluted tome of what seems like nonsense in the same time I could read dozens of sensible history/science/geopolitical/art books and actually learn something practical about the world? Should I expend such a huge volume of effort and relinquish my precious man-hours to understand ONE person's obscure vision of the universe when I could learn about hundreds of normal, useful, communicable, applicable ideas in the same time?

Do I really "grow" "wiser" reading one guy whose ideas are impossible to communicate and have no effect on my life? Aren't I "smarter" if I understand how actual humans actually behave in the actual world around me, rather than "understanding" how "beings" "be" in "the world-as-being" for the sake of "being-unto-being-for-beings"?

inb4 "Philosophy isn't about communication or having an effect on your life" and thus "If you're asking what the point is you're not smart enough" which seems to be the standard philosopher's defense of convoluted nonsense that's impossible to explain or defend to anybody
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heres how philosophy works

if youre a natural thinker you come to a questions in your life, and you turn to others who have asked these questions before you. theres no badge of honor in reading anything once you leave college.
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I sure do wish y'all would stop inb4ing as OP. It's really bad form.
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The fact that you are asking yourself if it is "worth" studying and "precious man hours" implies that you are still thinking in a modernist sense of time as value. Which is exactly what Heidegger was out to undermine.

After you finish there's no reason you can't go back to thinking life/time/capital in just this way. In fact you may well choose to double down on that process. But understand that the lingering doubt you are feeling that has prompted you to ask this very question - Do I Have Time For This? - is something the man from Messkirch understood very well.

>huge volume of effort
It's not as complicated as you think.

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Most likely, but no one cared about saving what was written in them, so we don't know about them today.
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>>9654869
This, or maybe some of the things we consider classics were considered pulpy trash back then and we just think they're great because they're old. Just think of all the political cartoons from Marie Antoinette's time, they're considered important historical documents, back then they were just, well, political cartoons. Or the graffiti from Pompeii or on the Hagia Sophia, there's some really dumb/pointless stuff there, but it's old, so now it's valuable
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Undoubtedly there were some, but remember that mass production of books is a fairly recent thing, previously anyone could produce a book but it would only be a single copy. To make many copies you'd have to pay a very large amount of money to somebody who owned a printing press (or if you go back further, to have it copied by hand which was even more expensive). Generally they only made copies of books if there was a demand for it, or if the person who owned the press believed there would be great demand for copies. Because the labor and time involved in the process was very high.

So it's unlikely those terrible books survived, because the only way ancient literature survives is by being copied over and over again, and the standards for something to be copied were much higher the further back you go.

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What are some god-tier short stories with few characters and limited locations?
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A Perfect Day for Bananafish
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The overcoat
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>>9654939
This.

Also the Mezzanine

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>bookzz is down
BOOKZZ IS DOWN
NOW WHERE AM I GOING TO GET MY BOOKZZ?
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calm down thom

http://libgen.io
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DISCORD

WHERE IS THE /LIT/ DISCORD?
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>>9654858
THANKS ANON!

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Before finding out about /lit/ I've read mainly books from my language (Montenegrin/Serbian) and few Dostoyevski books.

Also few high school books like The Trial, The Stranger, Hamlet,...

After coming to /lit/ I read some "starting level" books found in some infographic that you guys upload:

Lolita - good book, expected more honestly

Catcher in the Rye - decent book but a little childish

Ham on Rye - pretty bad, like reading a cartoon comic or something, somebody told me to read whole Bukowski trilogy but I can't return to those books

Old Man and The Sea - decent book, a little bit boring

Siddartha - fun to read but pretty naive message in my opinion, don't know how can anybody consider it a classic

and lastly Catch 22. I've had doubts on reading it since I don't have much time for long books and also don't like war thematic, but oh I was so wrong.

Catch 22 is my personal best book ever, my favorite writer is Dostoyevski and I loved his books before but Catch 22 just topped them

Catch has everything, it's entertaining, it's funny, it has love stories, friendship stories, it is doubious at some points, it has quirky parts ( that dreamy sequence when Yossarian is in Rome nearing the end of a book).

I don't want to ask anything , just to thank the board for recommending me this book multiple times.

I might read it again right away, or consider watching a 1970 movie about it.
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>>9654832
Protip: No matter how many people say"Oh, you like Catch-22? Try Slaughterhouse V." DO NOT. It is garbage trash on its own and comparing it to Catch-22 is just insulting.
also
I sexually identify as Nately
>Lolita - expected more honestly
>Old Man and The Sea - decent book, a little bit boring
You should be hanged for such opinions.
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>>9654852
>"Oh, you like Catch-22? Try Slaughterhouse V." DO NOT.
This.
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>>9654832
>it has love stories
instantly turned me off

any good philosophy that discusses these things together or separately? not looking for stoicism or anything like that - more like gass's book about the color blue, or adam phillips on tickling.

russell has a book on idleness, but it's not good plus he's a cuck.
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"my diary desu"
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>>9654805
Heidegger briefly discusses anxiety, boredom, and other negative states of mind in Being and Time. His ideas that they should be held onto for as long as possible in order to reveal the existential possibilities available to us, in my opinion, has been a very powerful insight in my day-to-day life. Getting through the abstractions and the terminology to appreciate Heidegger's discussions on mood and how they reflect upon the ontological state of affairs requires a lot of philosophical dissection at first, but I think it's well worth it even if you decide that Heidegger isn't your cup of tea.
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>>9654805
>>9654845
I have to preface this recommendation for the likely retarded /pol/tard OP, however, because Martin Heidegger was also a cuckold despite being a prominent member of the Nazi Party. Even though Heidegger ended up closer to his bastard child than his biological child, who later ended up passionately managing his estate, you may not find his philosophy worthwhile as a result of his dysfunctional marriage.

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QUICK LIT

I'm going on a kindle date and I've stupidly told the girl that I'd read "War and Peace" by Tolstoy. She was quite impressed by it and I'm sure she will ask me something about it. The closest I've been to Napoleon was playing the homonym Total War game.

Give me some talking points.
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What's a kindle date?
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>>9654782
You set the girl on fire if she doesn't give you the succ
It's an ancient tradition in the middle east
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>>9654779
It's unironically about world war and world peace. If you watch the news you'll know.

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man imagine going to jail. I would get so much reading done. it would be like a godsend. I would be so dedicated. read, eat 3 meals a day, get to read outside for an hour a day. don't have to worry about anything. that's the life.
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>>9654766
and free sex too!
Actually Prison sounds kinda awesome.
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Only if you live in Norway.
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I've been to jail, and unless you really like Clive Cussler and James Patterson, you're going to be disappointed on how much """reading""" you can get done.

What do you guys think of Jack's prose?
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It's not a literary event at all. Bye /pol/.
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>>9654659
Where do you rank his prose among the greats?
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>>9654666

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Will and decision making don't come from nowhere so they can't truly be free, okay, but don't they exist? Aren't I making a choice by posting here instead of throwing my laptop across the room so I can actually do things? Am I just pre-destined to do all of the things I do until someone or something that was destined to happen changes my path?
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>>9654599
>Aren't I making a choice
To say it simple to you, since you are a retard who can't research something as famous as this, you "make choices" but you have no say in it so guess what that fucking means
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>>9654616
You didn't have to be mean about it.
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>>9654628
>mean
A thread died because of yours, and on top of that there are more then enough replicated threads on the same topic.

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What are some books about failing your language course and anxiously browsing channel 4 instead of being in class with the girl of your dreams?
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The course starts in half an Hour, Should i go there and beg them to take me in?
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my diary desu
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>>9654517

Did you eventually get her senpai?

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About to read this. Thoughts on it?
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Hope you enjoy poo and farts jokes
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>>9654724
This is what happens when you read it in translation. Not that the historical or philosophical subtleties are all lost if you can find them to begin with, but the book gets a more superficial tone.
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>>9654487
>that typo

Wow how could you get 'E' instead of 'And' fucking morons.

/lit/'s thoughts on writing/reading on psychedelics?
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>>9654353
DUDE
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Psychedelics aren't for that. At best dictate into a voice recorder. Make sure it is turned on first.
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>>9654353
I cant stand to read when im stoned even, the Idea of reading while tripping had never even struck me
Music will always be the best tripping activity for me, it's like half the reason I do it

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Rank Pynchon's bibliography
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>Mason & Dixon
>Gravity's Rainbow
>V.
>Inherent Vice
>Against the Day
>Bleeding Edge
>Vineland
>Lot 49
>Slow Learner
I've only read 2 Pynchon books
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>>9654296
>tfw halfway through lot 49
>in love with it
>we can only go up from here
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>>9654306
Lucky man

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