Why is nihilism always portrayed in some negative, cartoony sinister fashion? Is there any literature that portrays it realistically?
>>9656113
Fathers and Sons by Turgenev
>>9656113
You're right: It's hard to find much (culturally) that doesn't present it as a kind of self-interested posturing. Perhaps it's just hard to explain something that [...]
You guys probably get these threads a lot, but I'm merely an embryo, so don't be too harsh.
I've heard to start with the Greeks, but I've never heard the reasons WHY to start with the Greeks. I'm not saying there isn't any reason, or I'm against doing it, I'm just curious about the benefits of reading them and why it's such an essential thing to do. What's so important about them? Enlighten me..
As a side note, which "starting with the Greeks" reading list do you recommend? Me personally, I have a lot of other things I'd like to read so if there's a sort of abridged or barebones list that'd be great.
>>9655995
Why are you entitled to an explanation? How about you make an educated guess or two as to why that's the standard advice and we'll go from there
Their a very interesting culture and are the foundation of of western culture, so help you understand a lot of other works that come later.
Pare it down to either Edith Hamilton, to get a nice preview or just skip to Homer's two (start with Fagles)
The philosophy majors will get you into all them, but Epicurus is the most sensible.
>>9656027
>The philosophy majors will get you into all them, but Epicurus is the most sensible
How did I make it so long without filtering your shit posts
where did archetypes come from? how do you know for sure they exist?
>>9655994
Jung's imagination. They don't.
>>9656004
and yet most of cinema follows archetypal patterns. how do you explain this?
>>9656023
It's great for characters but not real people
>Great Writers of Imperial Russia
Tolstoy
Dostoevsky
Lermontov
Turgenev
Gogol
Pushkin
Goncharov
>Great Writers after the collapse of Imperial Russia
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>>9655864
Pasternak, Gorky, bulgakov, Solzhenitsyn, Babel, akhmatova, Grossman, platonov, olesha, ilf & petrov, bitov
Nabokov
Is this a good book?
Any other good self-help books?
>>9655746
It's fine, but it's not a cure for autism. It's more about how to act charismatic and persuasive in a business environment.
>>9655763
What's the cure for autism?
>>9655824
Unironically death
Please recommend books to make me see "modern art" in a new way.
>Walking through MoMa in NYC
>Oh look, a pile of mangled street signs on the floor
>Oh wow, a white canvas painted white by a white woman
>Oh look, garbage painted black (not exaggerating)
>Oh gee wiz, a fucking green carpet hanging from a wall.
>Oh look, a bunch of nails in a bag
>My oh my, is that a few gallons of mud water in a jacuzzi?
Fucking Jesus Christ. The only stuff in that entire museum not worth burning is the post-impressionist exhibit and the Magrittes.
Show me the light.
>>9655718
Does the MoMA still have the Picabia collection up?
What you are describing is post-modern art. My secret to its enjoyment is trying to appreciate just seeing some crazy stuff. Where else are you going to see a jacuzzi filled with mud?
>>9655718
it's great to walk through for a laugh.
there was a great thread on this, it was regarding the fashion industry as a whole, and some of the ridiculousness that came out of it.
i was a staunch believer that art has been torn down by post-modernism, but i was somewhat convinced by the passion behind certain aspects of the opposing argument. the idea wasn't to astound with aesthetics, the pursuit of beauty, but rather as set pieces for a story to be told or perspective. in a way, modern art has changed that garbage painted black into an interpretation, a story starter, a literal coffee table book. it's no longer pursuing truth or beauty. those things have become overwhelmingly dull in a world where abstracts have been deconstructed into meaninglessness. instead, we want provocation, perspective, a thread of conversation or complex ideas.
i don't necessarily agree with the direction that leads, it feels to me personally as cheapening art, but i had to change my opinions on art to understand it better. i look at art as a communication, instead of mimicry. all art would be mere mimicry if it weren't for this transformation. all art is merely a shadow of god's ideal. that may be something of a ridiculous proposition, but it helps me to accept a more reasonable pursuit for art. the attempt to communicate is something so powerful that it could never have a limit to its manipulation of the world around us. naturally that even applies to garbage on the floor that's been pissed on by a bum and sprinkled with lotus petals. if you look at it as communication it makes sense. the other way it helps is to ensure you know that they have nothing to communicate but bullshit. empty minds will still lack the ability to confer a message through shitty art. it's a question of equity i guess, is one man's art equal to another? is the deconstruction of painting or sculpting an attempt to even the playing field? if so, why is it that something inert as a trash bag when held by a man with a message, and placed in such and such a way, can transcend the trash bag of another man? because art is itself cannot be deconstructed into meaninglessness, and value can be found in it despite attempts otherwise to cheapen and destroy.
>>9655739
Mud wrestling at my step-dad's house
Experienced professionals? They have dragged out their life in stupor and semi-sleep, they have married hastily, out of impatience, they have made children at random. They have met other men in cafés, at weddings and funerals. Sometimes, caught in the tide, they have struggled against it without understanding what was happening to them. All that has happened around them has eluded them; long, obscure shapes, events from afar, brushed by them rapidly and when they turned to look all had vanished. And then, around forty, they christen their small obstinacies and a few proverbs with the name of experience, they begin to simulate slot machines: put a coin in the left hand slot and you get tales wrapped in silver paper, put a coin in the slot on the right and you get precious bits of advice that stick to your teeth like caramels.
Sartre, Jean-Paul. Nausea (New Directions Paperbook) (Kindle Locations 1374-1380). New Directions. Kindle Edition.
#people who I wish were still around today
As a lawfag who has been struggling to continue writing after my youth, this fucking hurts. A lot.
>>9655651
That is some nice moral posturing from a misanthropic manlet who sold out his soul for the Soviet Union.
What's your reading speed?
varies between 20-40 pages per hour
but i do really long sessions (3 hours)
>>9655533
100Mph
C
Is non-fiction better than fiction?
>>9655509
Apples and oranges
>>9655509
>better
Better how? For what purpose? This question is essentially meaningless.
>>9655509
Are non-books better than books? You decide.
>be right wing Trump supporter
>read this
>become a #HillMissile
How does he do it? And she fucking won.
What are some other books for extremely high IQ (155+) people?
>>9655453
>HillMissile
>She fucking won
Are you talking about Hillary?
None of the above won, she came in second. But this isn't a democracy.
>>9655453
Reading this might make you more of a Trump supporter or less of a Trump supporter, but it would never make you a Clinton supporter because she is part of the narrative-creating digital establishment.
>>9655478
Clinton is the real president. Yall are living in an alternate timeline.
There seems to be a lot of faggotry and untoward feminine tendencies on /lit/.
In keeping with the base literary theme, I put it to you that this man had the drop on women - and queers - and was right all along:
Aimer les femmes intelligentes est un plaisir de pédéraste.
To love intelligent women is the pleasure of a pederast.
La femme est naturelle, c'est-à-dire abominable.
A woman is natural: that is to say, abominable.
La jeune fille, ce qu'elle est en réalité. Une petite sotte et une petite salope; la plus grande imbécile unie à la plus grande dépravation.
This is what a girl really is. A little fool, a little slut; the greatest idiocy united with the greatest depravity.
Prove him wrong, /lit/.
Protip: You can't.
Just proves homo is the patrician way of life.
>>9655185
where did you get that out of? you just find a dumb woman, can't be too hard can it?
>>9655202
Why would I want the greatest idiocy united with the greatest depravity? A woman is abominable so steer clear my friend.
Where's the part where he BTFO queers?
So after leaving my room for once I met this normie who actually never read a single book, not even for school. As a result I now feel the sudden urge to start reading again.
What are some good books that won't bore me? I tried reading Kafkas Trial but I stopped after a few chapters kek. This time though I promise to buy a physical copy and trudge through whatever you suggest.
>>9655173
just ask yourself, what would Coil have read?
protip: the answer's obscure and degenerate lit
>>9655182
Honestly I enjoyed the Ape of Naples but Coil is just a massive faggot. Untrue though, now that's a fucking album.
Posting to acknowledge your good taste fellow patrician.
I'm writing a short horror story about Vampires in rural America.
The feral non-human type of vampire, not the cliche angsty fanger vampires littered in today's media.
Any tips?
make sure you accurately depict his accent in dialog. Like
"Hey mufucker! I'm'bout shove these damn ol' fangs right up you's ballsack, suck the shit-eatin' life right out your shit! I ain't playin' round here asswipe!"
Looks a the mockumentaries of Finding Bigfoot, have the vampires contempt if they should feed on these humans since they come across like crazy persons.
>>9655555
Okay I was poo-posting from phone, let me clarify my get, on my laptop:
>Bigfoot hunters come by, do the crazy calls, smack trees with wood, whistles the whole thingamaging.
>Vampires contemplate if they should feed on them because they've seen some crazy humans and had slightly bad/weir experiences with them
examples: Very drunk moonshiner -> hangover
Meth-junkie -> vampire infighting
Heroine addicts ect.
Paranoid pothead who stuffed a pound of weed up his arse to because he thought they were police
>>The vampires feast usually on the whole human, including flesh eating, anus eating ect.
>Though they are not as 'smart' as high IQ humans they can read (old as fuck, lots of time ect.)
>Oldest one warns them just when they are about to strike with a encyclopedia storie/article about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease) or more accurately https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Jakob_disease or just Rabies.
They conclude that these humans are most certainly outcast by society because they ate other humans and went mad.
>Hunt them down and set them on fire, to preserve their livestock and they don't want to get they blood on them
what am I in for?
>>9655148
a book
>>9655148
Memeses
>>9655148
looks like something called "Mimesis" by Erich Auerbach
Having never read Hegel, is Stephen Houlgate's introduction the best way to proceed?
What would be the prerequisite reading in order to comprehend Phenomenology, or Science of Logic (the texts I'm primarily interested in)? Are there any good lectures on youtube to help understand his philosophy and works?
>>9655128
According to Hegel, the only thing you need to read the Phenomenology is desire to think clearly. It's designed as a didactic text, to take the reader through the history of the self-consciousness of consciousness to the present moment of Hegel's attainment of the System, or Absolute Knowledge.
That said I like Findlay's commentary, Hegel: A Re-Examination for a read-along
Start with his lectures.
>>9655128
>mfw Trump is literally the incarnation of the World Spirit
What do?