Hey /lit/, I'm slowly making my way through the Greeks, where's a good place to start with Aristotle?
Why does Fagles say in Iliad's introduction "Pope, whose translation is the finest ever made..."
If it's the best version why is this Fagles dude doing his own translation?
I am also needing guidance, is the republic by plato a good starting point¿
>>9660842
Don't derail my thread with nonsense. However, on the off chance this is a genuine question, if you are starting with Plato, don't start with the Republic, start with Euthyphro, then the Apology, then, Crito, then Phaedo, then Meno, then The Republic.
Just read this and I'm interested in reading some stuff from the other side. Are there any Persian/Asian sources of the Greco-Persian Wars?
follow up - is there any good ancient persian literature?
Barbarian niggers are shit, just read Thucydides
Are there any writers besides Borges and Calvino who are worth reading?
>>9660607
You'd like Flann O'Brien and BioyCasares
Bump for thoughtful discussion
>>9660607
Bolaño, Arlt and Sabato.
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/ARE NICK/ has published a new article at Jacobite!
I repeat:
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Get the fuck in here!
http://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/20/modernitys-fertility-problem/
>/ARE NICK/
dumbass
>>9660580
this is the 3rd nick land thread right now. Please try to keep it all contained.
>Sally Rooney gets published
>Makes a fortune
>New Irish literary giant
>Nobel laureate
What's the average/lit/izen's life trajectory like?
>Post age
>What you're doing
>What you wanna do
>Life trajectory hypothesis
>Rooney is 26
washed up hag doesn't even have a wikipedia page yet
>>9660775
smelly jelly belly kek
>>9660445
22
Programmer.
Programmer.
Programmer
>he believes in subjectivity
>>9660389
>listening to anything Poo G. Krishnamurti has to say
>ever
>>9660389
I'm an Aristotelian.
>mfw being deluded to such a level
What is the best translation of Aristotle's Poetics?
>>9660230
bump
>>9660230
The original Greek
mine (in latin)
>there exist mathematical statements that have no proof
>we can not be sure of consistency of scientific method
Are we just fucked and doing anything ends up on the same level as some cargo cult tribe.
>>9660095
No.
>>9660103
Arguments, or just fucking guessing again.
>>9660095
Worrying about science not being real is such an adolescent garbage mentality
You know what's not based in anything real? Contemporary philosophy.
Hint: If two people can reach the same new conclusion, and prove it beyond any possible refutation, without ever interacting, it's based on a good foundation. This has never happened in philosophy and never will because it's fucking based on nothing.
For a young man in the 21st century, J.K. Rowling embodies just about everything that he hates about his own mother, but can't outright say to her. An aging neoliberal single mother with an inflated sense of self-importance using twitter to cope with her increasing irrelevance. The sort of woman who hasn't seriously thought about any of her opinions, but feels the need to push them on to others and condescend to anybody who might think differently.
She is an archetype. Neither insightful nor funny nor controversial. She is a consummate mediocrity basking in the praise of similar mediocrities the world over who have projected their own aspirations on to her, satisfied that somebody like them is a billionaire. Her Christianity is an accessory. She takes everything that she's been taught by public school and daytime television and fashions a god out of it.
She conceives of public affairs in the nebulous terms of "love" and "hate". The fact that an action might fall outside of either of these two categories, or that something she deems "hateful" might in fact be the wiser choice has not occurred to her. Despite this, she is shockingly easy to bait into a bitter, spiteful rage. Furthermore, her generosity only extends as far as her personal comfort. At the end of the day, it's little more than virtue signalling and if social opinion undergoes some vast sweeping change then she'll fall in line.
In many ways, she's already missed the boat. Her brand of comfortable feminism has already fallen out of style. She just doesn't know it yet. The second wave man-hating sexual phobia that sees rape everywhere. Its frigidity is evident in her writing. Then the bizarre merger with proud slut queer positivity. The post-hoc declarations of characters' sexual proclivities. The rationalization of racial retconning. It's like she discovered a Harry Potter fan tumblr, followed a couple links, and incorporated whatever she saw, resulting in an incoherent schizophrenic worldview. That's probably exactly what happened.
Her name is fucking Joanne. Need I say more?
shutup frogposter
What leads a raging retard to create such a shitpost?
>Woman
>Writer
>Imaginative
>Wealthy
>All around better than you
Need I say more?
Based JK. Sending effeminate numale pomo loving leftist-but-2-kl-4-leftists on SUICIDE WATCH while cultivating a Hollywood actor harem through movie franchises. And being a billionaire encouraging globalisation on Twitter to speed up the world's decay.
In the past if you wanted to learn something:
>Read a book
>Study an old manuscript
>Read newspapers with long text, debates and feuds between peoples
>Go to a local discussion or committee
>Talk politics in the pub with locals and learn what is going on in your community
>Join a club
>Meet new people at school/university becoming life-long friends and develop together
>Write a journal and keep a track of your life
Nowadays:
>Sit at home watching shit TV and propaganda all day stuffing your fat face
>Images and footage cut in a particular way and removed of all context and history to give you a particular idea
>Propaganda news owned by big CEO's that can assert any agenda without opposition to make themselves richer
>Watch a shit documentary that can be summarised in a 5 minute Wikipedia article
>Podcasts take literally 2 hours to explain what a book could explain in 10 minutes with more fluidity and precision
>Societal depression arises out of bad news on tv
>One must be aware at all times of what is going on on TV/pop culture in order to fit in without learning anything new by meeting new people
Have you read Neil Postman?
>>9660066
>was the creation of film/television the biggest mistake ever to happen?
You're forgetting yourself, OP.
>>9660066
Printing press was more destructive than TV desu
A crinkle beneath the eye of someone who passes you by on the street, crinkles we have come to recognise as the effect of a genuine smile. Pleasantries, albeit phatic, all around. Niceties are nice, and niceness is nice… And nice, nice, nice… I am nice. But fuck me, I’ll never be one of them. They’re the same as every other fucker on the planet. They get mad, they get rude, they’re mostly passive-aggressive, but as long as they can smile and ask “how’s it goin’?” when they catch you off-guard in the morning trying to fumble a couple of coins to get your coffee, they’re nice.
I wish I could be them, the guy walking down the street with his headphones on, nodding his head along to the music conspicuously and singing too, although I don’t know how audible he was, as I was sitting in a bus, on the other side of the road… I want to be him. I like the airily ignorant ramblings of the people. The lack of self-awareness, the peppiness. But if I became them, I couldn’t point out The Great Canadian Lie: They’re not nice, they just smile and ask “how’s it goin’?” a lot.
Canadian utilitarianism was at its finest when Frank couldn’t believe I wanted to buy him a coffee. We’d not seen each other this semester because of class schedules. I’m from a culture of overtly self-aware, and painfully voyeuristic people, a cynic who cultivated a sense of meta-awareness of my own predisposed cynicism, which is ingrained in most Indian youth. But Frank here was giving me some stiff competition. He only really believed I was serious about buying him that coffee when he was almost done with it, and got comfortable around me. “There’s this Egyptian girl I…” That’s my cue to cut this conversation short and leave. I don’t know if I’m nice. I lied earlier. Maybe I bought him coffee to prove to someone, you or I, I don’t know, that I am nice. But it would’ve been nicer to listen to him talk… About things. Canadians aren’t very bright. Pussy, shoes; rinse, repeat. Cutting-edge, my words, I know what I sound like. Aspiring Camus, more like Tao Lin. But this goes somewhere, I promise. Just give me some time and don’t leave me to myself. We’ll be elsewhere in twenty minutes, and I will grow on you.
Through reeded bars of a cell too cold, a smile. It is a glowing, warm smile. Familiar, like the face of a mother, and distant, like the errant patriarch. Down a downspout: blood, metallic, dark blood. But blue. Like the tears of a horsehoe crab and its dew leaked from its mouth on a shore, a desolate shore, on a beach. On the raping surf. Every drop waters a wire. Through the stamen of a signal, a butterfly’s spur draws the wind in tempt of birth. Down the stamen of red cords, the pollen is sifted and stored. It is made through the sun and produces monoxide.
There are no gables to the rooms. There are equilateral axioms made remotely by manless men and automated wagons. How the droshskies have fallen. Every corner screams for some sort of freedom. One corner is hung over a skyline. It faces the impasse of a constraining sky. It defies a God mad. It weeps at the sight of birds. Alas, there are no gutters for weeping corners, only IV’s of plastic that pump white or the petrichor of the mocking rain.
>>9660064
Crinkle is certainly not the word you want there. Vulgar language kills the relatedness for me personally. Ending was nice though
>>9660220
Aesthetic AF
>>9660220
this is the worst prose ever written
How old are you?
http://www.strawpoll.me/13241002
>>9659959
non of your business
>>9660210
thanks for the bump
>>9659959
Old enough to remember that.
Niggers, I just finished Moby-Dick and holy fuck ...How much truth is there to Ishmael's story? The way he wrote was always heavily idealistic and self-confident, and now, he of all people, is the lone survivor in this tragedy?
I think one sentence fits the book quite well:"If you think this is going to have a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention"
it doesnt have a (((happy ending))), it has a natural and appropriate ending
also, i believe it all except that he's obviously filling in gaps using his own creativity. all of the whaling info is information he actually researched and shit after the events of the book had ostensibly taken place. The only other fake shit is that he told this all to some guy in a bar in one night
also fyi this book is a direct response to defoe's crusoe: "His name was Ismael"
>defoe's crusoe
which was, as you may or may not know, a work of fiction that was passed off as real (much like the scarlet letter, or any 18th cen. french roman a clef, albeit defoe was on a whole nother level)
hopefully that informs your understanding of moby-dick
>>9659655
isn't that a game of thrones quote
How to write a movement's manifest?
And what to do then if you are not part of a group?
>>9659616
You thinking about writing a manifest for an african movement?
>>9659635
Nop, a mexican one.
>>9659645
Start with
>a spectre is haunting Mexico...
be sure to put in some dialectics (preferably historical materialism)
End with
>Juans y Juanitas de todos los países, uníos!
aced it
is buying books pure ideology when all books are pretty much available to be read for free online? i am torn between the joy i feel at owning books as physical objects i can write in and place on a shelf as an instant reminder of all the ideas and feelings and my memories thereof inside & a self consciousness that i'm just being a good consumer and the desire therein to liberate myself from this means of slave morality control and further assert myself through action and ambition
tldr: is there any validity to owning a book collection?
Your library of hardcopy books might be all that's left of your culture after civilization collapses.
>>9659590
Somewhat unironically, this.
The books on your shelf don't give a shit when you can't get online for whatever reason. There have also been studies conducted showing a deeper connection and understanding of material when presented in physical form as opposed to electronic versions.
Being somewhat of an admitted materialist in that regard, I prefer owning physical copies of my books, albeit more expensive than downloading e- versions. I guess it really just depends on your own preference and reading style.
Plus, a shelf of books always looks nice in your home, desu.
This will all be over soon anyway. Where's the sense in minding so much?