i thought you guys said stephen king was bad
>>10015462
Most of the people here are college kids who only read "serious literature" and think they're too smart for King. He's a fine writer and IT is a pretty enjoyable book.
>>10015462
He's not bad, he's just not that good.
>>10015462
IT has some good ideas but in the third act turns into random nonsense that seems to have no connection thematically.
Plus, the rules of IT are never really understood, because it seemed like there were dozens of times he cold have killed the kids individually when they were terrified, yet he doesn't.
Has there been any great British/English novel since the mid-20th century?
>>10015380
Yes. I could name them, but I won't. Just because wittle baby boy wants to be sponnfed by mommy doesn't mean he will be
>>10015384
You just can't think of any.
>>10015384
Jokes aside though and not memeing I really am trying to find some good 60's/70's/80's English lit.
hey /lit/ I have only entry level knowledge of literature (pic related is probably the best book I've read) and I was wondering if some more well read anons could post examples of truly great writing, the best in your opinion. It can be just a short excerpt if you want, just something that displays masterful skill in prose and stuff like that.
I want to see what the best writing in history looks like.
>>10015372
It's Ulysses, but you might not be able to appreciate it yet. You might want to start with James Joyce - The Dead (Dubliners)
You act like it's on a scale or something. Read for five more years and you'll realize how stupid the question is.
>>10015391
Are you saying that Dostoevsky is not better than JK Rowling? Or that David Foster Wallace is not better than John Green? Are you seriously falling for the "art is subjective" meme anon
Pretty much any text you read from anciet times, be it Greek, Egyptian, Christian, Chinese, Latin...Always they have pages and pages dedicated to lineage and who was born from who. And they are obsessed with saying "character, son of x". Why? What is the obsession? Did people back then really refer to each other as "son of X" all the time?
>>10015272
Ever tried the redpill? We're more conscious about our white past, heritage, and tradition than ever. Don't ever forget the whiteness of your ancestors
Well first of all, the ancient world understood "nationality" in terms of descent and lineage. It's in the Bible, it's in both Greek and Roman history, it's in many other things. Modern semites are just descendants of Shem, son of Noah; his other son Ham, who went to Africa, is the reason for the naming of the "Hamitic" languages. Common lineage was how people understood the world in lieu of explicit racial categories, and no concept of a modern state or nation.
Early polities especially would have been beholden to a strong family (say, the descendant of a founding dictator, or a nobleman who originally led this group of people to found a colony there), or set of families in stable aristocratic tension. In Homer, you read constantly about "guest-friendship," which was a major aspect of their culture. Because there were no states or polities outside of the personal domains of nobles, strongmen, and tyrants, and the cities they tenuously controlled, you secured safe travel by knowing a guy who knows a guy in the city or country you want to visit, and he does you that favour because your great grandpa did the same for his great grandmother when she was exiled. And maybe while you're there, you take a wife, and end up founding a new branch of the family. And around each prominent person would be a network of relatively less prominent people, clients, who came to him for favours and returned favours when he asked. This would be seen as being a client of the such-and-such family, which was itself a position that could last generations in your family and lead to very close ties.
Guest-friendship was maybe the central social institution of many of these civilisations, including when it became prominent again in early feudalism in medieval Europe, suggesting that it's a natural human tendency and way of making sense of the world. It was mediated by gift-giving, oaths of honour, bonds of friendship and loyalty, etc.
Obviously such connections become semi-legendary after a few generations of being maintained only by the collective oral memory of each family. Obviously families are going to claim descent from prestigious ancestors, and if those prestigious figures (say, the founding tyrant) themselves claimed divine descent, bam, on top of being a prestigious and ancient family whom everyone knows and respects (and fears), you can now claim to be the founders of your town, and even to be related to the ancient heroes and gods.
>>10015272
I have literally been wondering the exact same thing all day, thats spooky as shit my man, spooky as a goddamn shit
Nobody on 4chan is able to deb8te me.
>>10015248
What if it's just that no one wants to
>>10015248
>deb8te
the t & the e (you) employ to conclude this fashioning of a verbal idea are superfluous. Just sayin'.
Who was Best Girl and why was itSonya?
>>10015172
War, what is it good for?
Pierre
>>10015172
My Valentine's Princess Marya.
Stuff similar to the works of Pessoa, Cioran, Mainländer, etc.
Caraco
Giacomo Leopardi
Pascal, Saltus, Zappfe, Schopenhauer
The only way to understand the Tao is by taking LSD
>>10015067
Everything makes sense on LSD dweeb
>>10015067
Sleep deprivation works too
>had first LSD trip
>spend the day from noon til midnight having one life-changing revelation about consciousness after another, never once stopping the flow of thought
>imagination/creativity basically becomes laser-focused
>go to bed expecting to be a completely changed person the next day
>wake up
>can't remember ANY of the thoughts that I kept to myself
>only have a few scraps I wrote down
>no more LSD and no clue where to buy more
I guess I just need to write everything down next time
which is best?
>>10015050
Writing
>>10015050
Whichever one you like is the worst.
>doesn't use the Mindbuster to beam information directly into mind
I heard I need some Nietzsche in my life.
Would you recommend Genealogy of Morals or Beyond Good and Evil?
Geneology
>>10014932
yes
>>10014943
>>>/reddit/
Take two autists with similar lives. One plays video games as a significant hobby, the other reads novels. How different do they turn out?
This experiment has been done with me and someone similar to me, with me as the novel reader who got bored of vidya after a certain age, and somehow I am much less of a neckbeard (no beard at all for one).
Where the fuck does this rick and Morty, PC gaming, Reddit etc. shit in your early 20s come from? It is disgusting because I see myself in this person, so it's like seeing an alternative me.
I may insults lit's pretentiousness but at least that implies a lot of reading. The opposite is just disgusting somehow. I feel like I have elevated reading to the level of basic hygiene.
Cool
>>10014906
/lit/ is garbage, we all know it, but compared to many other places on the Internet it's an inexhaustible well into which no bucket descends without coming up with gold and goodness.
>>10014906
Rick and Morty is a decent show, it seems like only self-conscious contrarians hate it
What makes good allegory good?
The quality
The goodness
Alle the gory details
General thread: Thoughts? When is his next book coming out? Are there any other active writers that you like in same vein?
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
>>10014789
1. What?
2. When?
3. Who?
>>10014804
1. Yes.
2. Soon.
3. Yes.
So I watched the TED Talk “How to have better political conversations” by social psychologist Robb Willer. He begins with the divide between the left and right which has increased over the years, as we’ve likely noticed. And the research confirms this intuition. More and more the left and right don’t like each other, e.g. left-wingers don’t want to go on dates with right-wingers and vice versa. So, what kind of movie is this political divide most like? A disaster movie? Or perhaps a war movie? No, it’s more like a zombie apocalypse movie. People move around in packs and don’t think as individuals, but they think in a mob mentality and try to spread their disease. We probably think we’re the survivors in this movie. However, everyone’s probably thinking the same thing, that they’re the good guys and the others are zombies. What can we do to help with the polarization problem? The political divide is fundamentally a moral divide. The right and left have different values for certain things, e.g. the left value equality and fairness more so than the right. So, when we want to speak with the other side we should appeal to what they value most. For example, if a right-winger wanted to persuade a left-winger they should appeal to the left-winger’s moral values, i.e. connect a policy with the opposing ideology’s moral value. Maybe this isn’t actually a zombie apocalypse movie but a buddy cop movie. At first the cops don’t like each other, but later they become buddies and feel better because of it. However, we’re the ones who need to bring us together. And he ends saying we must give one another empathy and respect. Any books on this feel?
>>10014762
>literature
fuck off to >>>/pol/
>>10014766
Did you not read what I wrote? This is related to literature.
>>10014766
You fuck off to leftypol. OP should fuck off to the movies section.
ITT: writers that are literally you
Pic related
Thus OP is a faggot
>>10014730
woah... btfo...
>>10014730
kek