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>>10027240
I'm currently making my way through the collection and I enjoy it but it has many flaws. Anderson could have used a editor to clear up his writing and edit down some of the stories. "Godliness", the longest story in the collection didn't deserve to be as long as it is. I understand he wanted demonstrate the generational nature of Winesburg's central themes but by god does it feel way too overblown. It's weighed down by the hamfisted biblical allusions, odd pacing, and uneven characterization. Other stories are like that too in that many of the principal characters serve as a means to an end to get to whatever realization Anderson wants. It's the American and less well done version of Dubliners however much influence it put on the next generation of writers. I do appreciate him incorporating psychology into his writing and the land of the lotus eaters feel he imparts on Winesburg.

>>10027274
this is so precious lol

>>10027296
should I make it my goodreads review

>>10027031
They went to the same uni and he saw Hegel rising up the academic ladder, becoming recognized as the new philosopher king and getting a lot of tail.

Meanwhile, Schopenhauer stayed an unrecognized sexually frustrated loner battling melancholy and depression. He'd go alone to the theater on the weekends to see Wagner's plays or stay in his room and read Indian Epics.

>>10027031
Muh Idealism and Progress

>the virgin thinker
>THE CHAD PHILOSOPHER
This sums it all up; Schopenhauer was the former.

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eh kid, nice bait
but if dfw was so smart
why is he dead

"Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation."

he was an entitled snowflake and didn't get the recepetion he felt he deserved so he took the pussy way out to kill himself.

DFW is the most overrated author and only pretentious English majors like him. And they don't even like him, they just say they do..

I'm in a Greek classics class that focuses on ethics and introduces Plato/Aristotle right now, going good so far

>>10025046
In order of excellence:
Plato - upper division
Wittgenstein - upper division
Aristotle - upper division
Philosophical Writing: Personal Identity - upper division
Ancient Philosophy - lower division
Logic - lower division
Modern Philosophy - lower division
Metaphysics - upper division
Chinese Philosophy - upper division
Theory of Knowledge - upper division
Modern Political Philosophy - upper division
Philosophy of Society - upper division

>>10025046
history of philosophy, both ancient and modern
ethics
logic
currently in a german idealism class and so far this is the best

>t. can't appreciate atmosphere

>>10024231
>DUDE IT'S FUCKING RAINY AN CLOUDY AN SHIET LMAO I VISITED ENGLAND ONCE
Wow, bravo Howard

OP is a contrarian.

>>10022070

I'm sure some do, but I'd call anyone who needs external motivation to conduct their work a hack.

Artists do art because they have to do art to be themselves, not because of some other person.

You are my muse, /lit/

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>>10022070
No, because women used their newfound freedom to embrace ignorance and vulgarity. Essentially, they became men. When they still had a sense of femininity it was possible to take inspiration from their quiet dignity and compassion. But now that they are crude and loud and greedy, there is very little to appreciate

I suppose it is still possible for a very feminine man with low standards to take inspiration from women, but even they are eventually forced to acknowledge the deep inadequacy of modern girls

brilliant post

very Kafkaesque

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Sage in all fields.

>>10030744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSzck6pV9sY

>>10030754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOMEVerNySw

these sort of guys aren't even bright enough to keep up with vacuous tertiary educated sophists. stop spamming posts about this dunce.

>>10030681
>gay
Well, it definitely doesn't help your vocabulary. You can generally figure out a word's meaning, but it always helps to be specific; for example asking, pleading and begging are similar, yet have a very different degree of urgency.

Are you this autistic? There are many words. You cannot know all words. To learn about new words and how they're used, you have to see them employed and study their definitions. What is so difficult about this? Learning new words is part of the process of becoming a better reader, writer, etc. The fuck are you on about?

Yeah it's pretty gay, but in the same way that heterosexual couples are gay because they are weak for giving in so easily. There is definitely a non-gay way of going about the world and looking up words is not one of them.

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sorry that was Woolf which was also trash. this is your favorite writer Murakami. I think you guys are trapped in some weird ass 20th century 'degenerate = art' mindset.

>>10030656
seems like naturally flowing dialogue to me, what's your criticism?

>>10030638

you're missing the point of Lovecraft
no one thinks he's a good writer
he has good and unique ideas and that campy "so-bad-it's-good" execution is certainly part of the appeal
mind you, a lot of what he wrote came from terrible dreams of these figures, so imagine being faced with that in a dream, i'm sure you'd wake up talking about "the indescribable horrible monstrous thing!"

>>10030638
Honestly I agree I'm a huge fan of his stories but the more self contained they are the better. When there were references in stories like The Mountains of Madness to other stories I found it more destructive to my suspension of disbelief than anything.

Maybe it was the translation but the writing didn't do it for me
But the philosophy behind it still highly interests me

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consider the importance of a good translation, especially in a long work such as the brothers karamazov. constance garnett—for all the good she did—had terribly dry prose and sucked all the sensuality out of dostoyevsky. i thought her C&P and "fathers and sons" were serviceable, if not good. the popular translators for russians today are, of course, pevear and volokhonsky. i cribbed this blog to highlight the differences between them.
https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/01/the-pevearvolokhonsky-hype-machine-and-how-it-could-have-been-stopped-or-at-least-slowed-down

>I forgot to mention the bawdy song the innkeeper’s girls sing just before Dmitry’s arrest. It’s a good test for any translation, because one of the rhymes is left unfinished—the narrator breaks off halfway through the second line and simply says, “There followed a most unprintable rhyme.” Even P & V realize that a literal translation won’t do in this case. The English version has to imply how the verse would have ended , leaving the translator no choice but to decide what he thinks the missing text is, using context clues and his own intuition (mostly the latter).

>The song is about a series of men who come courting the singers, and their reasons for accepting or rejecting their advances. The gypsy, for example, is a no-go because “He’ll turn out to be a thief / And that, I’m sure, will bring me grief.” The businessman does better: “To the wealthy merchant I’ll be wed / And a queen I’ll lie, all day in bed.”

>The unfinished couplet is about a soldier. The original Russian doesn’t give a translator much to go on: Google Translate renders it “Soldiers will pack carry / And I for him . . . ”

>P & V make a decent attempt, managing to work in a mild profanity:

The soldier boy will pack his kit
And drag me with him through . . .

>But we must concede the superiority of the Avsey version, which, unlike P & V’s, makes me laugh:

The soldier will march to seek his luck
And leave me dying for a . . .

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for those anons deathly insecure over their lack of knowledge, a more in-depth guide to starting with the greeks.

>>10030608
Pope translation? Wtf

Story of the Eye

The Bluest Eye

>>10030544
But that's Harry Mulisch.

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>>10030505
Nice try, bud.

>>10030505
>Tfw Virginia Woolf wasn't even the best female writer

>>10030505
>not posting Flannery O'Connor