I'm looking for recommendations on what to read after IJ. I've realized that I don't actually read people who are good examples of English writing; mostly I read translations, which doesn't help my English skill. There's a whole world of usage and grammar that doesn't come into play when reading Hesse or Dostoyevsky et. al.
Now don't get me wrong, my literary tastes are as prurient as befits my station in life, the only reason I'm asking is because my writing has been shit all year. I find that I don't have the skill to put ideas on the page in an aesthetically pleasing manner. As I believe that what we write is a regurgitation of what we read, in terms of style, I have come here for an expert opinion.
Read Charles Dickens until you can't read any more, and then keep reading until you become old Chuck.
>>9693948
Oliver Twist is the hardest book I've read in English. I didn't undestand 30%. Glad to know it is considered a hard read in linguistic aspect, otherwise I'd consider myself illiterate. Is Great Expectations on the same level or?
>>9693937
>prurient
I don't think you know what this word means
Is it possible for a book that is a tie-in to another medium to have any literary merit?
Depends on how they are. This book is cannon to the series so.
it is impossible for any book written after the 1700s to have literary merit
>>9693922
The Horus Heresy trilogy is pretty good considering its competition (Jurassic Park books after the first movie, video games novelizations etc).
This is a tough question however.
WE WUZ KINGS: The Series
>>9693897
Some of the themes and characters could be considered as literature as much as say Tolkien but it's clear the author doesn't give a shit so the works as a whole kinda suck
lmao
>>9693897
>box sets of an unfinished series
literally why
Give me a definition of fan fiction that wouldn't also include Paradise Lost and Dante's Commedia
Literature I don't like.
A fictional work created by a fan.
>>9693716
This.
write what's on your mind
>>9693668
Input: nonsense
Output: nonsense
>>9693668
check em
I feel like my relationship with God is more rewarding and satisfying than any relationship with a woman could ever be.
How did the Nazis manage to misread Nietzsche so badly? He's pretty much explicitly against everything they stood for.
>>9693666
Niezsche's sister was an antisemite nationalist and eventual Nazi in charge of his literary estate and systematically misrepresented him in the volumes published under her "editorship"
>>9693681
You mean her husband.
>>9693666
Everybody misreads Nietzsche.
Admittedly, I am a novice when it comes to literature and meme-literature, but I'm trying my best here
I began with DFW and I enjoyed IJ as I was reading it. After reading some of his essays, I've come to understand why people shit on him all the time saying he's a talentless hack, and to an extent, I've come to agree with them. Though this doesn't change the fact that as I was reading IJ, it was one of my finest reading experiences of all times desu senpai
So after a bit more of DFW's works, I got tired and I felt like it's time to move into Pinecone... and so I started with Inherent Vice, as most people suggest.
I mean, it's not a terribly difficult book but i found it hard to follow at times. Seems to just cut in and out of scenes without warning...just didn't make any sense. And for this reason, at times I would get frustrated. And I found it kind of lame the whole dude drugs lmao thing. Maybe I would have enjoyed it more when I was 19. (At least IJ's drug themes were far more real and not ~psychedelic maaan~)
And so I'm wondering...if Pynchon for me? If IV is "Pynchon-Lite" as many people put it, and I had a mediocre reading experience with his most "accessible" work, then is it even worth going more into his catalogue? Should I just stick with the Russians?
I started with GR, loved it, and never read another book by Pynchon. Just throwing that out there
>>9693569
You at all agreeing to call DFW a talentless hack is enough to say you are not intelligent enough to appreciate, or even contextualize and imagine why some may appreciate Pynchon.
depends what you liked about IJ. I agree with DFW alot and loathe Pynchon, GR was painful to read (so is DFW tbqh, desu)
HOWEVER, I enjoyed the movie of Inherent Vice alot. So what the fuck do I know
ITT: Characters who really pissed you off
Starting with a classic
You're just being cruel.
Fat cunt
How in the actual fuck are you supposed to understand Shakespeare?
Being fluent in English is probably a pretty good start.
>>9693467
I know this might come as a shock but you are semi-literate at best.
All those teachers who told you that you were smart growing up were not doing you any favors. If they really cared about you they would have told you the truth and helped you to improve. They didn't. They told you want you wanted to hear so that they wouldn't have to invest energy dealing with you.
Now is the time to recognize your shortcomings. Accept that you are stupid. Accept that you are uneducated. This is the first step on the path of bettering yourself.
>>9693467
>what is sparknotes
>tfw you spill coffee on one of your rarest books
>>9693350
>drinking coffee while reading
Yeah no, I'm not a walking cliche.
>>9693352
yeah you're just a walking fag lmao
>>9693357
have an le *upvote* xD
Why do you buy books from your local bookstore instead of just ordering it online?
Why do you order your books online instead of just downloading them for free?
>>9693286
$4 shipping a pop
>paying ~300% of the value of the book for (((shipping)))
>>9693287
Because you can get blind by reading on screen. And because you can't find all of them on the internet. Even if you find them, the translation will probably be shitty.
>>9693286
Because if I order them I need to wait 20 days for them to arrive. And there are some books that can't be ordered online.
HOW THE FUCK DO I PICK A NAME?
I've been doing this shit for hours and none of them are close to decently fitting.
Except like Alexander or something.
>>9693264
Lol, just use Alexander. The more you think about a name the worse it's gonna be. And names are not that important unless they're a significant allusion like Stephen Dedalus.
i find character names come to me out of nowhere, often when i'm walking somewhere with no character in mind i'll get a name, i'll jot it down on a note paper or in my phone, and later i find a character it matches.
what's important is to not let yourself get bogged down in writing by minor details, like names. keep writing your short story or novel or whathaveyou and worry about the name later. you can always 'find and replace'
Just think of the dumbest name you can imagine and roll with it. Shouldn't take your writing too serious mate.
What are your thoughts on the FSOG trilogy?
How can I have worthwhile thoughts on books I have never and will never read
>>9693086
Read all of lacan before I tackled that masterpiece. Was gonna write my thesis on it.
One time I looked up the hottest bits and jerked off to it but other than that I have no opinions.
Alright /lit/, so I'm a huge fucking casual when it comes to reading books, as I only read Harry Potter when I was a kid, and throughout my teen years, all I read was manga. I read The Odyssey for high school, and I really enjoyed it, and I want to read more good shit. Only thing is, where do I start? I know there's a ton of great books out there, but it all seems pretty overwhelming. If it helps, I really like themes of existentialism, and nihilism (edgy I know, but it's just shit I like)
>>9693019
a lot of young men get introduced to literature by dostoevsky because his characters tend to be broodlords that 20 year olds can connect with.
Try Crime and Punishment
If you like that read his other books.
At that point you will have seen some references to other Russians, try their works.
At that point you have a little foothold in european lit from which to branch out
>>9693028
Dostoevsky was a guy I was looking at, huge thanks, I'll go out and get Crime and Punishment later. Also, would you guys say it doesn't matter how to read books? Like is it better on paper, or can I just download a PDF to my laptop, and be better off?
>>9693041
Personal preference
For me i can only really focus with physical book because this is how it was done back in school + i get too easily distracted if its on my pc
Okay /lit/, for those interested in meeting other anons in NYC, we've settled on Thursday evening, July 6th. We'll be going to German beer garden in Manhattan.
At this point, we're just trying to get a headcount so we can reserve a table. Go to the Discord for details and to confirm that you'll be going.
https://discord.gg/7ypK4j5
Old thread for the uninitiated: https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S9684726
>>9693001
Can I come even though I don't drink
A-are there girls?
>>9693194
It'll purely be for white conservative males of the heterosexual disposition. Everyone else will be shown the door