When will you realize that there is no morality, no "the good people win in the end", just pure chaos?
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>>9696443
When will you realize there is no assured 'wrong' victory, there is no "this is final and won't change", just pure chaos?
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>>9696448
There is victory on a personal level, one man can live a far more rewarding and pleasing life than another
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>>9696487
>one man can live a far more rewarding and pleasing life than another
unprovable claim
Any suggestions for reading Chomsky?
I haven't read him before and am looking for any suggestions on where to start? I'd like to ease into it
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Syntactic Structures
His review of Verbal Behavior
Language and Mind
his politics is boring and meaningless
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Manufacturing Consent
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read michael parenti instead
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What Nietzsche to read after Zarathustra
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I am about to finish Thus Spoke Zarathustra and would like advice as to which Nietzsche to read next.
Let me explain what I'm looking for. I've read on and off throughout my life, but never very seriously. I've always had a vague idea that I really should read, but mathematics always entertained me more and so consumed my time. I was planning out a very long mathematics projects when I realized that I was hesitant because I believed that reading literature/philosophy was a better use of my time than advancing mathematics -- even though the entertainment of mathematics often lured me away from reading. I realized that to fully dedicate myself to the math project, I would need to first address my belief that reading was more important than mathematics. The only way I know how to do this is to completely dedicate myself to reading for the next few months -- and then to see what the outcome is.
I started with Thus Spoke Zarathustra because and old friend used to praise it. I enjoyed it because the life-affirming philosophy preached in it is very relevant in the face of today's more prevalent virtue-signaling philosophy -- but also because the line-to-line prose were fun and easy enough to enjoy when I lost the thread.
As per some advice I read here on /lit/, I think this is the right type of book to pursue right now: at least somewhat intellectually engaging while still fun and easy enough to get through when my still nascent reading comprehension skills fail me.
I also would like to stick with Nietzsche because I enjoyed Thus Spoke Zarathustra and because I figure continual exposure will help make up for my poor reading comprehension when it comes to understanding his philosophy.
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After doing some research, I have found that Thus Spoke Zarathustra is the only work that Nietzsche wrote as a story. I'm not sure if I should abandon Nietzsche to sick with stories or if I should abandon stories to stick with Nietzsche.
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>>9695750
read Beyond Good and Evil and Genealogy of Morality
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Autistic as fuck
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What are some books that will help me reconcile the evils of the world?
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I find it is worthwhile to combine a sort of nihilistic darwinian gnosticism to the whole endevor. We are in a flawed and uncaring void in which all interactions have become commitized. All expression has been uploaded to a hyperreality of online social networks such that all activities and creations are now used to created a false visage. We are in an era of unrestrained corporatism that turns all labor into a commodity itself and all individuals into consumers.
I would recommend some Foucault and Nietzsche. Through these you will see that not only is all interaction based on the flow of power and its utilization, but your own belief in the evils around you are based on the defition of those in power.
While delving into the naturalistic worldview you will also being to understand that evil is based on frame of reference, we are all complicit. If you are a westerner, most of our good and a great deal of our well being has been based on the exploitation of third world labor, becuase of this, the evil presented to others is seen as a good for the self. Original sin is no longer the fall of adam but the joys we eek from life through the suffering of others. The only reaction to this is to nihilistically reframe yourself as a Good Christian and be done with the whole deal.
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Don't reconcile Evil. Doing so only benefits it.
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Any good literature on the American Indian war, either fiction or non-fiction?
>inb4 Blood Meridian
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>>9695339
>He doesn't know about The Last of the Mohicans
I know it's summer, but come on man. There's a lot of good literature from/about that era.
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>>9695364
Then post more, faggot
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Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
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thoughts?
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>>9694275
lmao the guy's name was Faggot!
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>>9694275
I have the Michael Glenny translation.
*le sìgh*
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Can anyone convince me that the artistic life is superior to the life of attempting to gain as much wealth and power as possible (e.g. the life of a politician or businessman)?
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sad fact is that it's not worth it unless you become famous or successful and even then you gotta consider that it becomes increasingly difficult the older you get.
basically, life sucks.
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This isn't something for which universal principles can be established. People are different. Some people lay awake at night thinking about their big business idea or the big venture their company is working on. Then there are some people that lay awake at night in the world of their imagination, thinking about things that don't necessarily exist outside of their mind. I'm sure you know which one you are, and being authentic to that is what you need to be thinking about, not a false idea of superiority. It's possible to dwell in both worlds, like Wallace Stevens, who built up a successful career as a business executive at the Hartford insurance company. He kept working there in the position of vice president even after winning a Pulitzer for his poetry.
That dual lifestyle should be the ideal for writers today who aren't aristocrats. Even if you have artistic tendencies there can be great value to earning respect and money for something that doesn't depend on subjectivity and luck like literature does.
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>tfw I do both
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What is some powerful literature that changes your outlook on the world around you?
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>Atwood
>literature
KYS anon
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>>9692099
If this masterwork changes your worldview, have I got something for you
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>>9692099
The picture of Dorian gray
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>loved trashy middlebrow New Yorker fiction
>had no philosophical training
>was completely ignorant of classical, medieval, and most early modern literature
Hmmm... really makes me think that most of his "dismissals" were just him getting mad because he didn't understand a book
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The man knew his butterflies tho.
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>>9691378
He was a hack. Most of his opinions contradict with others.
> hates literature of ideas
Loves Ulysses.
> hates Freud
Loves The Metamorphosis (even Kafka in his diaries reads the story in a Freudian way)
> so buttblasted about Soviets that he encourages Nixon to gas the Vietnamese with agent orange
> prefers Madame Bovary to Sentimental Education
I mean, I could go...His opinions are garbage. His novels reveal an author who couldn't write poetry so he tried to smuggle it into his boring prose.
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As a teen he read
All of Shakespeare in English
All of Tolstoy in Russian
All of Flaubert in French.
Worked for ten years on the definitive Onegin translation.
Discovered a genus of butterflies.
>ignorant
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i've just finished it. what are your thoughts about this book?
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>>9690265
>Kafka never got to finish The Trial
it's a terrible feel. Still a great work of fiction
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>>9690265
Amazing, though I find the dialogue to be a little tedious at times.
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>>9690265
I completely agree with your views on the book OP, couldn't have said it better myself!
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How important is it for a writer to move to an environment that is conducive to his craft?
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If you really like to write, and desire to write, you will write anywhere. If you don't, the perfect writing environment will be wasted on you.
That said, peace and quiet is always nice.
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>>9689848
>That said, peace and quiet is always nice.
So, it helps to move away from the city, to a more remote rural area?
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>>9689865
I didn't say that. You can find peace and quiet in the city if you're good about it. Honestly, more than anything you just need a decent amount of solitude. You need some alone time to be a writer, at least that's what I've found.
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I want to write.
But I don't know what to write about...
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Write about what you
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write about how pepe memes are stale as fuck and identify you as a facebook/reddit poster
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>>9689431
I recommend human condition and capitalism.
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So I was reading Claire Tomalin's biography of Dickens and she recounts a story Dostoevsky told a friend in a letter of how he had visited Dickens in London in the 1860s.
Dostoevsky was a great admirer of Charles D and had voraciously devoured his works while in prison. When they met they talked a while and Dickens allegedly admitted to Fyodor that his "good" characters (Oliver, Charles Darnay, Bob Cratchit, Sam Weller, Nell, Tom Pinch, etc) were what he wished he was whilst his villains (Quilp, Pecksniff, Murdstone, Scrooge, Bill Sykes, Wackford Squeers, etc) were what he really was deep inside.
1. Was this story bullshit? Was Dostoevsky known to lie?
2. I've heard actors say it is more fun to play the villain - does any writer legitimately identify with "good" characters, or do they simply put them there for balance, convention, or to mask their real internal natures?
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>>9696365
I read a piece on this meeting on TLS (Times Literary Supplement) recently. Can post it via pastebin or something if anyone wants
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>>9696365
Dickens spoke English and Dostoevsky spoke Russian.
Like, whoa nigga, how could they have talked to each other if they didn't speak the same language? I call some BS on this one
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>>9696375
French?
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Even though my english is superb i really, and i am not underestimating the word, hate this language. I feel like leaning down looking into a brewing pool of intellectual decadence. English consist of wheezingly, wrongly intonated germanic whisping, through the crooked teeth of traiterous fish-munshing islandgerman halfbreeds and wrongly pronounced latin, very much of that, because its just so incomplete and moronic. ptahhh
I am german between, and after more than 20 pages of english I need some Luther or Nietzsche to cleanse my intellectual mind of that muddy gutter dialect.
Its not just that its a consistent reminder that you all should be my slaves and that i am vice versa forced to crawl in your filth ptahh.
Not even trolling
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Why are you writing like a drunk Serb?
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>>9696328
I just said my english is superb.
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germans are scum of the earth, good for nothing but target practice. fritz, i will destroy you.
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Do you want to just have a chat, /lit/? Doesn't need to be about anything even related to literature. Got something to get off your chest? Have a rant? Need a friend tonight? I'm up. How's it going?
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STOP COUGHING IN THE LIBRARY OR I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO COUGH ABOUT
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>>9696165
>Doesn't need to be about anything even related to literature.
fuck off, you cunt
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>>9696174
i think that's not what he meant with getting stuff off your chest...