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Did he write any good books?
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probably a couple.
I think writers should read him to understand how to pace tension for the plebs.
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>>9728856
But did HE write them?
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>>9728856
This.
Just because clancy is bad at many things doesn't mean he's not good at some things. A good writer should have control of pacing and narrative hook as much as prose style, character etc.
Red Storm Rising or hunt for red October are his best.

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>"And, in academia and the arts, to the increasingly absurd and dogmatic Political Correctness movement, whose obsession with the mere forms of utterance and discourse show too well how effete and aestheticized our best liberal instincts have become, how removed from what's really important - motive, feeling, belief."

he really is /Our Guy/ isn't he?
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>>9728643

Go on then, tell his pa, you haven't given the lad a choice here. He doesn't want to do it, it breaks his heart. He doesn't want to hurt his family or anyone else, so just tell him. It can all end with a bit of truth. You think he'd just consign to being a thrall for the rest of his life, at the behest of you? He won't, not that lad, he's too proud, too brave, too principled. Too stupid to survive. You'll end up killing the boy if you don't tell his pa what you've done to him. He'll go mad tryin'ta prove it, and he'll crash everyone he loves around him while he does it. The worst part is he'll be right. So, tell his pa, do the right thing. I know the poor sot, the lad just doesn't know when to quit.

Oh, and be good mods and try not to delete the thread this time. The lad's trying to get his message across.
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>>9728643
Sauce?
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>>9728664
https://www.scribd.com/doc/164736651/Joseph-Frank-s-Dostoevsky-David-Foster-Wallace

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post /lit/ pics
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Can there be inherent meaning without God?
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>implying god gives meaning
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>>9728216
If you're an idiot no.
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wtf is inherent meaning
aka wtf is God

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I'm interested in reading christian medieval european heroic myths such as the song of roland. I'm not interested in an academic dissection of them, just the myths themselves. when i look up for example the song of roland, the only books i can find are either just the very short tale itself, or an approach to it from an academic viewpoint. if you know of a good print collection of many of these types of tales i would like to read it
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The mistake that a lot of people make when discussing these subjects is to think of these things as 'books.' There may have been written versions of these things but they were multi-sensory experiences that weren't confined to the written word. In principle it's the same as reading Homer and ignoring the fact that Homer was performed, not merely read aloud. It's like wanting to just read the book for a musical when you could go and see a performance or better yet perform in it. Not only that but a lot of these epics are really only so important because of their impact on an archaic culture speaking an archaic language. If you want to 'read' them then you'll need to either settle for layers upon layers of interpretation or acquire the skills and knowledge necessary to decipher surviving texts from the period (to which I cannot point you so don't bother asking me). It's not hard to find Old English versions of Beowulf online. It's not like these are copyrighted works. Again, you're having trouble because you're making a category mistake. You don't 'read' a myth, you experience it with your five senses and your nervous system.
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>>9727975
wanker
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>>9727975
twat

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Are there any good book user review sites? Looking for something that isn't a normie trash site like goodreads (I'm essentially looking for a literary equivalent of rateyourmusic.com).
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>>9727931
rym is rym
there's not anything like this in any other form of art.
goodreads is the literally nearest to rym, i guess
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>>9727931
The closest thing I know of is Librarything. I heard about it on here a while ago and have used it ever since. While the community is slightly better than the Goodreads community it's not perfect and you still have idiotic people writing reviews and such. It's less of a social media site and more of a cataloging site.
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Sonemic will NEVER lunch

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Prufrock is one of my favorite poems ever, but I seriously have no clue what this is about. Please help me /lit/.
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http://www.shmoop.com/love-song-alfred-prufrock/summary.html

Just did your HW for you

But seriously it is one of your favorite poems and you've extracted no meaning? Why then is it one of your favorite poems?
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>>9727911
Sterility. Grail myths. Regeneration. Just read the Wikipedia article. A lot of it is stolen from The Golden Bough and his wife was nuts and he didn't like listening to London chavs in pubs
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>>9727932
This as in the picture in the OP, the Waste Land; which, by the way, sucks, and Eliot is overrated too. The Waste Land is probably the worst and most turgid and overrated of all his poems.

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I want to buy pic related but its $31.99 new and $25 on a budget. I've heard this version is the most unbiased but is there a cheaper one anywhere that is the same quality?
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>>9727650
read my twisted world it's better
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>>9727650
>>9727667
reminder to praise lord kek, white brothers
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>>9727667
I did a couple months ago. It was funnier than expected.

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I have created a new understanding of human nature that has incredibly important applications.

I did not write this book because I thought I could make a buck, or because I half-heartedly wanted to be a cool and famous writer, or thought that I just had some alright ideas. I wrote this because if I didn't, I would have killed myself. The feeling of pure torture that comes with watching society flounder, and my own life go down the tubes with it, while perfectly understanding the underlying human nature and solutions to eradicate all the pointless powerlessness and suffering is indescribable. It was this feeling of complete powerlessness that was the sole driving force within myself to write this book.

I do not know the best way to communicate what is explained in the book in such a short window. For now I will post the Contents and hope that people can ask questions.
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Contents:
Preface- Understanding the necessity of working with subjectivity.

Introduction- The Question: Should I continue to exist? Basis of philosophical thought in creating an existence that allows humanity to thrive.

Section 1: Welcome to Not Nothing- The duality of human nature- rejection and destruction, or acceptance and building given the
inherent structure of existence which is- "We have free will, we are not all powerful, we are not all knowing, and we experience the
universe with a biological framework and consciousness."

Section 2: Destruction and Building- Cultivating power, facing powerlessness. Path of destruction involves a lack of self-control,
courage, wonder, and/or humor, with the person succumbing to powerlessness through either wrath, depression, madness, hedonism, or
ignorance due to the lack. Path of building involves self-control, courage, wonder, and a sense of humor.

Section 3: Power, Biology and Society- Maintaining a strong society (and individual) through a balancing of the pursuance of our
animalistic nature completely with a complete rejection, and a balancing of the desire to obtain all-power and the desire to relinquish
all power from oneself. A society comprised of men and women pursuing an animalistic/hedonistic sexual nature will crumble. The polar
nature of masculinity in men and femininity in women must be upheld.

Section 4: A World Completely Off the Mark- Application of the philosophy into the areas of Government, Politics, Economics,
Agriculture, Environment, Science, Crime and Punishment, Mental Illness, The Media/Entertainment/TV/Internet/Porn/Advertising, Lack of
Freedom/Technology/Overpopulation/Overcomplication/Globalism, and The Exploration of Outer Space. Focus is in creating a society in
which people feel the most power, connection with one another, and connection with the universe.
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>>9727643
>>9727648
Looks like you've got it all figured out, huh?
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>>9727643
I am already dead, can I still buy/use philosophy or will it be a bad time to start for me can you tell me about children

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I recently bought a H.P. Lovecraft book and want to know more about him. How does /lit/ feel about this horror fictionist?
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FEEL? You're asking me how I FEEL about H.P. Lovecraft? I'll tell you how I feel. I
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>>9727474
Get out of the internet and start reading, then.
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>>9727474

He's really what you make of him. You can choose to see him as le edgy tentacle monster man, an evil racist, a BASED racialist, appraise his work from a politically neutral stance, approach it on his own terms, or simply fail to understand him and call him overrated because the Derleth pastiche you found in a garbage can was shit.

If you are an autistic over-educated NEET history buff with delusions of grandeur then his work should speak to you on a primal level

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*blocks your path*
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I have several images of Krishnamurti saved where he is standing around looking dowdy but he's accompanied by a very young woman, because I imagine that my reward for becoming a famous philosopher will bet that I can just wear schleppy comfortable clothes and look like a reanimated corpse but still fuck crazy twentysomething groupies until I'm 110.

I started doing it thanks to /lit/ but it's really taken on a life of its own. Every time I see a famous philosopher in middle age or up, and he's accompanied by a young woman or young women, I imagine that he has fucked all of them and I feel motivated.
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>>9727425

ug did not have sex after the calamity. girls offered but he refused
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Having krishnamurti as "your guy" and posting him on /lit/ incessantly is sooooo mediocre

>spend 20 years avoiding Wittgenstein because I think he's some final boss of philosophy
>decide to read up on him this week on a whim
>he was a literal meme retard
>Tractatus was B+ at best, same shit done by a dozen other guys in the 20th century except they actually worked out their ideas instead of just being a trendy celebrity with them
>Investigations is exact same thing, just read Heidegger ten other guys instead
>only a trendy celebrity because horrendous parody-of-themselves-tier analytics like Moore, Russell, Carnap greased the wheels for him to be famous
>would have been nobody if (also a shit hack totally derivative of Frege fuckup moron) Russell hadn't launched him to fame while at the peak of his own fame
>these famous analytics didn't even understand him, even HE thought they didn't understand him
>unpleasant as fuck, just a weird dude who acquired celebrity status
>beat kids constantly, kept beating kids all the time
>may have killed a kid
>every coverage of his """""""""ideas"""""""" is 90% composed of WASN'T HE QUIRKY???
>SO QUIRKY!!!!
>also faggot Cult of Logic & Latter Day Common Sense anglos sucking his dick every time he entered a room
>which was usually followed by him gesticulating and grumbling to no effect, and then they'd scribble down "His ideas come to us as if by revelation. He is a divine god and I want to suck his cock."
>literally a meme
>literally a retard
>just the analytic Slavoj Zizek of a bygone generation

Alright, no more joking around. Analytic philosophy people are fucking morons. Carnap, Moore, Russell, I kept forgiving and forgiving and forgiving you people for worshiping actual autistic children like these fucks, thinking Wittgenstein was going to be some top secret German spice like Frege 2 Electric Boogaloo. And it's just more shit. You are actually all morons.

This isn't banter. If you are an analytic philosopher, or a fan of any analytic philosopher, YOU are a MORON.
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agree with most of this, he would prob agree with you too
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get a brain morans
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>>9727441
>morans

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Does Oscar Wilde's deathbed conversion make him count as a Catholic author?
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>>9727377
who cares
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>>9727377
He was a fucking faggot, that's for sure

And who cares? Probably died of AIDS or something lmao
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>>9727472
He wasn't a faggot. He was 6'7" and would take your boipucci without asking. Also have you read De Profundis? It is quite a depressing read when you take into account the end of his days. Same impression while reading "Ariel" by Plath.

What actually happens in hell? What exactly IS hell?
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>>9727360
hell is us
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>>9727361

gay answer mate
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>>9727360
Greekified Gehenna

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What happened to the V. reading group?
Anybody still down for it?
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>>9727243
Was under the impression that it wd begin early August, but cd be wrong. I'm personally down for it anytime. Re-read for me.
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>>9727252
Yeah, most people wanted early August as the starting date.
Just made this thread so people don't forget and more /lit/izens can join in.
>Re-read for me
Same here. Already looking forward to the nose job scene.
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>>9727270
>nose job scene
Can you explain in spoiler format?

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