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>>9735511
Elrond Hubble. Look him up, mindblowing ideas

This is a really bad thread.

>>9735570
>>>/pol/

>>9735490
>he hasn't read Letters From the Earth

>>9735494
>he's so close to the earth he thinks he sprouted from it

top kek, this is what manlets truly believe

>>9735490
Mmmm, being tall for his time? I'd say growing up on the Mississippi explains more than his height.

>>9735438
dumb leftists, violence is caused by racial inferiors

Violence can be caused by anything but maybe its worse with the current system, should i read zizek or just stick with other lefty writers

>>9735439
Violence is caused by class, race is a fucking spook

>>9735331
I wouldn't fucking care
who cares if the Iliad/Odysee was written/sung by some old dude or a black transgender woman it's a fucking masterpiece
The problem is when black transgender women don't get judged on the quality of their work but are only read cus of their identity
Shakespeare could've been an albino gay man for all I care

>>9735331
Source?

only the odyssey?

It's alright for a starter book and has a few good messages about fate, but as far as war goes Nietzsche said it better when he said war brings us closer to nature and every once in a while we need to be awaken from our hibernation.

Interesting you mention Forrest Gump because I recently re-watched that (haven't watched a lot of movies lately) and I thought Zemeckis did a beautiful job with the idea of fate. It's painted everywhere in that movie.

>>9735320
that's the point tho
I think after Dresden is bombed he even says that you can't put these experience in words / can't find the expression to describe this catastrophe so he uses this detached/black humor style to cope

>>9735358
I get that was the point, but I feel like the tone completely subverts that.

Like, I don't think it's fair to write an entire book in a very specific tone, then at the end say "oh that tone that you became invested in? I actually meant the opposite ;)"

Like I said, I know I missed the point, but I feel like missing it was a bit justified.

Zizek is just for memes, Buzzfeed-tier leftism, even Chomsky is a little better

Eventually everything that goes up goes down. I think the people have finally woken up from their Zizek intoxication and see we need to innovate the left

>>9735287
cultural marxism is the logical development of economic marxism: singleminded fetishisation of equality. never forget that Zizek is a marxist and marxism entails cultural marxism. Cultural marxism entails in the due course of things, biological marxism, that is elimination of racial differences through mongrelisation and elimination of gender differences through transgenderisation.

>>9735193

>What order did you read him in
I read Crime and Punishment in high school, followed by a couple of aborted attempts at The Brothers Karamazov (I was young). Years later I picked up The Possessed, Notes from Underground, some short stories, and eventually all of his published fiction, chronologically, ending in successful completion of Karamazov (I was ready)

>Favorite work

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The Brothers Karamazov > Crime and Punishment > 'The Dream of a Ridiculous Man' > Demons >
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The Gambler > The Double > 'The Christmas Tree and a Wedding' > Notes from the House of the Dead > 'A Gentle Spirit' > 'The Heavenly Christmas Tree' > The Idiot >
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Notes from Underground > Netochka Nezvanovna > The Insulted and the Injured > The Village of Stepanchikovo > 'The Uncle's Dream' > 'White Nights' > 'A Faint Heart' > 'The Crocodile' > 'Bobok' > 'A Nasty Anecdote' > 'The Eternal Husband' > 'The Landlady' > 'The Little Hero' >

>Least favorite work
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'Mr. Prokharchin' > 'Polzunkov' > 'The Honest Thief' >
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Poor Folk > Novel in Nine Letters > The Adolescent > 'The Jealous Husband'

>Preferred translations
I consider two general categories: older/vintage, and modern/contemporary. For the former, I really like David Magarshack. He was more careful than Constance Garnett in his work. Garnett reads very nicely in English, insofar as it's very much Victorian British in style and as much a product of Garnett's sensibilities as of Dostoyevsky's. Some excellent revision of Garnett has been done and is worth finding, in particular the work by Ralph Matlaw and others on The Brothers Karamazov.

For more recent translation work, the most focused is that of Ignat Avsey, who only translated Dostoyevsky. Andrew MacAndrew did a very good rendition of Karamazov. David McDuff is good as well if a little stiff. Oliver Ready and Jane Kentish are also worth looking into.

>Additional comments/insight
I found it interesting to track the development of his writing. One thing I found surprising was that he seemed to try for awhile after his arrest etc. to try to be the same writer as he had been beforehand, and it seemed to take awhile for his experience to show in his writing, maybe as if the trauma were buried for a time. House of the Dead must have festered inside him until he couldn't contain it any longer. Lately I've been (extremely slowly) working back through his bibliography in reverse order, looking for the seeds of what came later.

As I mentioned in another thread, I'm saddened that he never finished The Life of a Great Sinner but relieved in a way not to experience what would have happened with Alyosha. Also something I wonder about but don't have a firm answer about is what a collaboration between early Dostoyevsky and late Dostoyevsky would've looked like, and how much of his earlier self he would've evidenced if he hadn't, for example, been at war with Turgenev (closely aligned with his earlier self)

>>9735297
Which Avsey translations did you read?
Great reply, btw

Im about 70% into crime and punishment, getting pretty bored though. It's the first book i've read in a long time so maybe it was a bit much to jump into.

not really

We all are

define being

go and read it then you fucking cretin

>>9735174
Within you there is a great reader waiting to surface. You just need to let him out! You are great!

>Started reading a month ago
Maybe I'm a snob or something but this concept is so bizarre to me.

>>9735154
I haven't, but I'm not super well read in religious studies. It's certainly interesting. What book was it, if you don't mind?

>>9735154

What culture/nationality was the person in the book?

On some occasion I did see the use of Roman numerals for chapters, yes.

Googling "Matthew xii,24" shows both 19th and 21st century writings in English featuring such notation.

The "Book chapter:verse" notation that you see all over the place is from The Chicago Manual of Style, clearly whoever is doing something else is not following it.

Secret tip just for you Anon: Buy real books faggot

>>9734984
I can't afford a kindle and you want me to buy books? Sorry pal.

I live in a small town in France, for french books i got my local library, but for Russian, German, English, American literature i want the original versions instead of the translations that i have here.

>>9734976
kindle app is free

>>9734899
The Entire Western Canon

all the Redwall books

>>9734899
>read
You don't simply read books. Now, start from the beggining

>>9734893
>liberals uniornically believe Barack "The Cuck" Hussein Obama was a good president

Let that sink in for a moment.

Only good thread on /lit/ right now

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>>9734857
I read the Haddaway when I read it for University.
I went to pretty good school, which I wouldn't mention otherwise but it seems you want some factor to make you decide, so know that the Haddaway has the approval of some good scholars I guess?

I see your point, like understanding that Michelangelo's Moses statue with horns was due to a mistranslation.

Treat Burton's as an original work that carried great influence.

Which do you want to read, Burton's work or an accurate translation? What's more important to you?

>>9734857
Well what are you reading it for?
For fun? For inspiration? Burton I guess.
For it's literary value? For scientific purposes? Haddaway I guess.

Source: I'm German, only own a Spanish translation and haven't read the work in any language.

>>9734784

How close can you get to the image of a red windmill in your mind if you really focus on it?

What are you doing if you think about a photograph you saw the other day?

>>9734805
nothing i've never seen an imagine in my head , i remember descriptors of thing so the easiest way to put it is if your memories are a play while yours are the performance mine is the script ( comes in handy now and then i remember details well because of it )

>>9734810

That's very interesting. Do you think something overly descriptive would work for you, like Tolkien banging on about every kind of flower the lads pass on the way? Or something epistolary maybe, Read "Autobiography of Red" a straight beam from God just told me you'll love it.

Are you on the spectrum? I feel like it would be hard to relate to people being like that.