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To be, or not to be- that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer 1750
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them. To die- to sleep-
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks 1755
That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die- to sleep.
To sleep- perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub!
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, 1760
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despis'd love, the law's delay, 1765
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would these fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life, 1770
But that the dread of something after death-
The undiscover'd country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns- puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of? 1775
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry 1780
And lose the name of action.- Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia!- Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins rememb'red.
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oh shit
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>1750, 1755 ...
was it autism
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>>9789535
is this a roleplay?
if it is, i'd like her to play with my roll, know what i'm sayin' here?

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I'm using this chart as a guide, someone told me to get the phoneix early greek series or some oxford books that are hard to get these days.

Any recommendations for my shopping cart?
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Are you completely new to the greeks?
You've read homer and plato right?
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Hackett Thales to Aristotle
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>>9789489
only homer

Let's speak simply about our conceptions of utopia. Or, forgetting all the cultural-historical baggage that goes with that word, simply the kind of world you'd prefer to inhabit if your imagination could become a reality for yourself.

Lay it out plainly you winefizzling ginsizzling booseguzzling existences! Come on, you dog-gone, bullnecked, beetlebrowed, hogjowled, peanutbrained, weaseleyed four flushers, false alarms and excess baggage! Come on, you triple extract of infamy!
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I can accept the necessity of acceptance, but can acceptance accept the necessity of non-acceptance?

Tell me now. I am my own man, I desire what I desire, I envision the world I wish to partake of, and you,
oh eternal principles, how shall you judge me? By what standard? Through what esoteric doctrine shall the
things I say now be undermined? Wherein is the beauty of the absence of firey will? Only the cold chasms of
Brahman can know the tranquility of the world as seen from the highest tower. We are not there, and nor did
we nor god feel it right and proper to now be there. We are where we are for reasons unknown to us and known
to the god we scorn, and rightfully scorn, and god himself accepts our condemnation with shy malaise.

Take the reigns of your inner world, scorn what you find deplorable, and praise what you find righteous and
beautiful. This is the proper way to be alive. Don't fall into the metaphysical traps of the cunning orator.
Of the deceitful philosopher who got lost in the labyrinth, seeking the golden fleece with his ironic turns of phrase.
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Doesn't the term Utopia literally mean "unreachable place"? As in a concept of something impossible to achieve?

Though I find it interesting how the original Thomas More's Utopia is basically what we would now consider to be a Soviet/North Korean slave state, and this was considered to be idyllic compared to the state of the world in the 1500s.
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>>9789512
Like I said, forget the baggage. I just mean the world you see in your dreams as the ideal place to live. Heaven, so to speak. But an earthly heaven.

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>reading Symposium
>Aristophanes and Pausanias are total fags

Wtf is this shit? In what dialogue does Plato BTFO the gays?
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fat chicks love that "well behaved women rarely make history" thing for some reason
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Yet another quality submission from /pol/
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>>9789435
>prescribe to the programming of what good behavior is
>prescribe to the programming of a revolt against those standards
>simply become the antithesis of your those you who considered your enemies
>still unintentionally adhering to the original programming through polar means

what a bunch of half-wits

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Rec me a good book to read right now
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>>9789400
Hells Angels by Hunter S. Thompson.
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Illuminatus!
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>>9789404
oh ya i heard that has more gags and japes than a pynchon novel!

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So the eternal jew invented Islam did he?
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>>9789346
I don't know what this book is but I need it. 1950s sword-and-sandal smut is my jam.
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>>9789352
It's about *the* wandering jew. And how he lives throughout history. Quite excellent.
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>>9789346
Well the Juden are sand-niggers.

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If the apostrophe comes after an S do you drop the following S? Like is it...

"She was standing in Tess' apartment."

or...

"She was standing in Tess's apartment."

Thanks! :3
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depends if it's singular or not i think
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You definitely drop the S.
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It's most fashionable to drop the extra 's' now but used to be different.

Anyone else feel like the thinking involved in STEM feels like stacking up blocks on top of each other until you hit a road block, and then testing things mindlessly until they seem to go in the right direction, at which point you begin the same old mechanical process again and again, while philosophy feels more like penetratingly honest critical thinking, like you actually have an awareness, or at least are striving intensely for an awareness of the truth of whatever concept you are trying to understand, an almost intensely introspective process, in a sense?
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>>9789190
t. failed all of his science classes in high school
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>>9789190
math isn't that bad you just have to study my little brainlet :-)
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Guess I can't disagree.

But doesn't that just mean it's practical?

>be a typical 4chan loser
>want to read more
>can't get interested in books

>decide to read a book with a little girl protagonist

>read 42 books these past two years
>every single one has a loli protagonist
>can't get interested in books without young girl protagonists

How did this happen?
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What are your top 5 favourite books out of the ones you read?
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>>9789163
Basically you were a pleb, you still are a pleb, and you don't know how or why you should go about becoming something more than a pleb.
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>>9789177

When Marnie Was There
Ronia: The Robber's Daughter
Behind the Attic Wall
The Secret Language
Island of the Blue Dolphins

>>9789191
If being "not a pleb" means reading books about boring ass middle aged men instead of cute little lolis, I will gladly retain my pleb status.

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authors who have inspired copypastas that are more literary than anything they ever wrote
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make it so you have to post the copypasta as well
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>>9789162
ok

>>9789151
you have to post the copypasta as well or the diligent mods will be alerted and no doubt ban you
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>>9789164
You first

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This is from James Wood's essay on 'The Road.' I edited it a bit for the main points, but it's wonderful summary of his style, just laid out plain and simple.
>McCarthy’s prose combines three registers ... He has his painstaking minimalism ...
>The second register is the one familiar to readers of 'Blood Meridian' or 'Suttree', and again seems somewhat Conradian. Hard detail and a fine eye is combined with exquisite, gnarled, slightly antique (and even slightly clumsy or heavy) lyricism. It ought not to work, and sometimes it does not. But many of its effects are beautiful--and not only beautiful, but powerfully efficient as poetry.
>When McCarthy is writing at his best, he does indeed belong in the company of the American masters. In his best pages one can hear Melville and Lawrence, Conrad and Hardy.
>Yet McCarthy’s third register is more problematic. He is an American ham. When critics laud him for being biblical, they are hearing sounds that are more often than not merely antiquarian, a kind of vatic histrionic groping, in which the prose plumes itself up and flourishes an ostentatiously obsolete lexicon. Blood Fustian, this style might be called.
>Still, as in Hardy and Conrad, who were both at times terrible writers, there is a sincerity, an earnestness, in McCarthy’s vaudevillian mode that softens the clumsiness, and turns the prose into a kind of awkward secret message from the writer.
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>>9789149
Damn. That is the best write-up I've ever read I think. Bleeding accurate, critical, and above all honest.
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>>9789149
That was pretty damn stupid.

>When critics laud him for being biblical, they are hearing sounds that are more often than not merely antiquarian, a kind of vatic histrionic groping, in which the prose plumes itself up and flourishes an ostentatiously obsolete lexicon. Blood Fustian, this style might be called

I love it how he just makes a baseless assumption that he knows the minds of other critics.

>If I don't like it, other critics like it for the reasons I don't
>I am the supreme contrarian
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>>9789362
I don't think he's necessarily dispraising him there.

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Some friends and I were having a debate about what's the most famous poem in the English language because we're real cool and this is what we do while we're drinking and doing nothing.

What do you think, /lit/?

We argued for a few of these, in no order:

>Robert Frost - "The Road Not Taken"
>William Shakespeare - "Sonnet 18"
>Edgar Allen Poe - "The Raven"
>Walt Whitman - "O Captain! My Captain!"
>Rudyard Kipling - "If"
>Dr. Seuss - "Oh the Places You'll Go"

We did not count things like songs, bible verses, or things like the "to be or not to be" speech from Hamlet. We only tried to argue distinct poems specifically written as a poem, and not epic poems like Paradise Lost or something.

Anyway, what do you think?
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may i compare thee
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>>9789121
sonnet 18
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>>9789121
Probably a tie between your Frost and Poe selections, yeah, with Poe given the lead because it's hard to say how many simply know the words "the road not taken" as an idiom unto itself, just like how "Better to have loved..." ("In Memoriam A.H.H.") is more well-known than "The Raven," but how many actually know they're quoting from a Tennyson poem?

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Hypothetically speaking, i want to obtain books that my government may or may not want me to have. How do i go about this withut beong blacklisted?
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All of this is hypothetical of course.
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find pdfs?
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>>9789114
Not sure if just paranoid or have legitimate worries.

Pretty sure party van is watching this post

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Does /lit/ ever listen to audiobooks? What are your favorites?
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Story Of Civilization by Will Durant read by Alexander Adams, it's an old books on tape version from like the 90s, the newer Audible versions are ok, but they have a different reader for each volume so it doesn't have the epic feel, that is possibly the comfiest audiobook of all time, the whole torrent is like 8 gigs and it can be found on any patrician tracker
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My job has me driving for like 60% of the time. I know only plebs listen to novels, thus what are acceptable audiobooks for patricians? I will continue reading during lunch, non-working time.
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The other thread on singers writing books reminded me of Nick Caves Bunny Monroe. He read it himself and provided some music and soundfx for the audiobook and his deadpan tone and dark prose made it funny AF.

Also, Michael Gira's Somniloquist or whatever it was called.

t. don't usually listen to audiobooks but these cracked me up.

was literature, art philosophy etc. better before the romantic movement?
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literally anything, romance is shit and should be kept out of literature.
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>>9789010
I mean Romantic Movement as in the Romantics
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>>9788984
I wouldn't necessarily say so,
music: Well you have Haydn and Mozart (and early Beethoven)in the classical period, which is nice, but can get a bit boring in the long run, also Mozart brought the style to perfection so there had to happen something new and thanks to late Beethoven we got romantic period with; Brahms, Mahler, Liszt, Chopin, Wagner, Strauß, Schumann etc.
so all in all romantic > classic
lit: here I can only speak about my own country (germany), but I think classical period is superior (Goethe, Schiller etc.) than romantic, but again I like me some Heine and Eichendorf and it made people like ETA Hoffman possible
in England you have poets like Shelley, Keats and Byron, which is also nice,
all in all I think romanticism was a necessary transition period
art: classiscism > romanticism by far

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