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Is his understanding of post-modernism accurate?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSuEccEYvaE&t=1294s
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>>9818193
pretty much yeah
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no. no more than calling a thing Muh Cultural Marxism without understanding how fucking complicated that saga, which has been unfolding since the French and Industrial revolutions and even earlier, was.

but his response to it is.
>deleuze: there is no reason for fear or hope, only to look for new weapons

b/c if he gave as charitable a reading of JL, MF, and JD as the academic socius requires him to, he would be another fucking sufferer singing the Infinite Lament. and we all know how that story goes
>everything sucks
>wat do

you know who the real hero of the story is? fucking *smugglypuff.* an all-time nominee for god having a sense of humor. because she & the others just couldn't resist being a part of the delights of a vengeful & horrible mob of cynicism. and now they have unleashed Dread Peterson upon the world, and he is never going to fucking stop talking now.
>howls and screams ensue
>moar popcorn plz cannot look away

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Time to rank the personalities of the characters of Infinite Jest (not how well they are written, just their personalities and how interesting they are)

ELDER GOD TIER
Remy

GOD TIER
Gately
James Incandenza
Lyle

GREAT TIER
Steeply
Orin
Mario
Darkness
Poor Tony
Madame Psychosis
Bain
Clipperton
Gentle

GOOD TIER
Avril
Pemulis
No relation
Lateral Alice Moore

CAULFIELD TIER
Hal


Rank characters from other books too
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>>9818188
>ranking characters
The red place is down the hall to the left
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>>9818188
>liking Maranthe more than Steeply and Pemulis in good
i shiggy diggy
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>>9818188
Peemster oughta be at least in Great Tier just for his endnote on Eschaton

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How can you treat Marxism as some shallow childish fantasy if you aren't even aware of how much he and Engels wrote on the subject? Do you really think he wrote all this and had nothing to say, or do you just need some way to validate clutching your pearls?

Pic related. Collected works of Marx and Engels
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Marx is outdated
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>>9818180

About a third of it is just letters and correspondence that they wrote.

You can get a lot of shitposting done without a TV or internet to distract you. Volume, in and of itself, only impresses by dint of its size, for simply being what it is. You are also in a much better position to have all of your shitposting enter the historical record when you have the good fortune to have written in a recent century.
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>>9818219

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx/Engels_Collected_Works#Contents

Another point worth making is that this corpse (corpus?) is the life's work of two men, not one. So take the fifty volumes and cut them in half (or maybe weight it 60/40 in favor of Marx, whatever's appropriate). In each case, chuck out maybe 5-6 volumes and you realize that each guy effectively wrote maybe about 15-20 books' worth of material over the course of his life (including each individual's contributions to the joint stuff), much of which is just articles and such. Suddenly it doens't look so daunting.

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>go to the library
>forgot to bring a pen
>go to the library with a pen
>forgot my earphone
>go to library with a pen and a earphone
>forgot my jacket and it's super cold in the library

Someone kill me, life hates me
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Make a habit of numbering the amount of things you MUST have before you go out.
I have 5, wallet, phone, glasses, keys and earphones.
Haven't forgotten one in a long time.
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>>9818235
I've got 7, phone, wallet, keys, id, earphones, tissues and moisturizing creme (my lips dry out very quickly after acne therapy). Haven't forgotten one in a ong time aswell. It's a great habit. The method of counting things that are necessary for me to leave the house came naturally and unexpectedly for me, as I'm a pretty obsessive person. What can be unhealthy about this little trick for naturally obsessive persons is that it feeds the obsession and, therefore, strenghtens it.
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>>9818168

how do you even do that

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How should I start with Plato?

Is this a good order?
http://plato-dialogues.org/email/950404_1.htm
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>>9818136
sure it's fine, stop wasting time and just read him.
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>if you find some place where there is a dumb way of reading the text and a smart one, assume Plato had the smart one in mind, even if Aristotle tried to make us believe he had the dumb one, especially if that's the case (I think Aristotle could not understand most of what Plato taught him, but thought he had, and that most of what is good in Aristotle is Plato's, often ill digested; but if you haven't heard of Aristotle yet, you are lucky and enjoy your luck as it last, and forget about Aristotle; only be aware that even if you don't know it, Aristotle had a great influence on our way of understanding the world, and contributed to instilling in our mind the wrong notions about Plato, this picture of Plato as an idealist dreaming in a world of "ideas" or "forms" unconnected with the real world).

Aristotle BTFO
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You don't start Plato by reading Plato, since you're a beginner you should read first beginners books, something like Plato: A Short Introduction or Plato's Cambridge Companion should be good starts.

Now, I know what you're thinking: "Why shouldn't I just read Plato and interpret his words myself?" Because you're intellectually young, if you try to tackle Plato or even Aristotle by yourself you will fall into the trap of interpreting his words in the wrong way. Remember, there're people who spends their whole academic life trying to interpret and understand those philosophers, you should first trust in those people and after you become intellectually mature you should read Plato's and Aristotles' works and come with your own interpretations.

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>there are no good women auth-
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Hello, there!
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>"Well, come straight over here to us, why don’t you? You won’t come? It’s worth your while, I assure you."
>"Where do you mean, and who all are you?"
>"Over here," he said, showing me an open door and an enclosed area just facing the wall. "A lot of us spend our time here. There are quite a few besides ourselves, and they’re all good-looking"

>"First I’d like to hear what I’m coming in for, and the name of the bestlooking member."
>"Each of us has a different opinion on who that is, Socrates."
>"So tell me, Hippothales, who do you think it is?"
>He blushed at the question, so I said, "Aha! You don’t have to answer that, Hippothales, for me to tell whether you’re in love with any of these boys or not, I can see that you are not only in love but pretty far gone too."

Why were the Greeks so fucking gay? Y'all told me to start with them but damn, I can't get over all the faggotry.
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Women can't into rationality and honor.
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>>9818103
>who is Joan of Arc
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>>9818990
An exception that proves the rule?

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What can literature do to help me stop being a deeply flawed person?
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Learn to read and tell stories about deeply flawed persons
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gives you something to focus your attention on beyond self-hatred
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>>9818093
Won't I just perpetuate teh creation of deeply flawed persons?

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ITT: /lit/-related concepts that really flare up your existential angst.

Enantiodromia
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holy fuck, same. i was literally just looking at this exact same thing yesterday.

& that Capital/Outside/vampire debt cloud is the shadow i am fucked up on

clean your room intensifies
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>>9818052
I learned of it today and can see how it played out in my life but I'm such an unenlightened pleb that I can't make heads or tails of what to do with the information.
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>>9818029
Thinking about Shub-Niggurath and how if she exists, I've been unknowingly serving her my entire life.

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Why are dreams more engrossing and interesting than real life?
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They are wish fulfillments.
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Because humans have two kinds of memory: active (astral) memory and merely instinctive memory, gained through habit.

When you're going through daily life, you are mostly relying on the latter, which is the kind of memory involved in tying your shoes. Do you actively "remember" how to tie your shoes? Do you experience it? Or do you just do it? Well, you're in the same basic brain state when you walk to the store, or drive to work, or do your job, or even go about your leisure activities. Your animal body is following its ingrained instincts.

When you're dreaming, these instincts are suspended, and every experience is as a child experiences the world, before it has ingrained instincts to rely on. Your memories are called up as new, actively lived experiences, rather than simply subroutines with pressure valves determining how you act.
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What books would you recommend to someone that is going to be entering college in a few weeks?

I'm looking for something that can better prepare me for the future.

It can be fiction or non-fiction, doesn't matter to me.
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>>9818030
How come?
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Read ahead your textbooks dummy

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http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/david-foster-wallace-and-the-perils-of-litchat

How will DFW contrarians ever refute this stunningly accurate analysis of them?
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>>9817918
>author is a woman
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>>9817918
> So while I was barely acquainted with David Wallace the man, his reputation was another matter.
>These two things aren’t the same, not in the case of any writer: a notion that many people would agree with in principle but that everyone has a hard time bearing in mind on a daily basis. Even the reputation of a reputation is subject to distortion. That Wallace was not widely regarded as a “great” writer during his lifetime is quickly being forgotten. Of course, a writer’s reputation changes over the years—that’s to be expected. Literary works grow or shrink in significance as the moment in which they were created recedes and as new readers bring new sensibilities to bear on them. But our memory of a reputation’s evolution itself changes, or at least that’s what seems to be happening in the case of Wallace.

What the fuck am I reading
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>>9818035
fbpb

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How did Sci-Fi fail so much when predicting the future?
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>>9817892
The futured predicted in sci-fi has yet to come.
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>>9817897
That is what brainlets think
In reality the future is unpredictable, and sure parts might become true, but overall prediction is bad
Notice the Black Swan
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>>9817897
Sure thing bub

(((quantum theory))) will tie up all the loose plotlines

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>zeus just spoiled the rest of the fucking book halfway through it
what the fuck
FUCK prophecies, my mane
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I've never heard of anyone reading the Iliad without knowing that troy was defeated, about the trojan horse, and Achilles health beforehand.
This has probably been the case for 3000+ years.
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>>9817870
I do know the story. But going as far as giving the details of Patroklus' death is really something
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>tfw you're reading a book on WW2 and the author just suddenly drops the fact that the Allies won

WHAT THE FUCK

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About to start the audiobook. What should I expect?
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>>9817836
To miss half the book's merit
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>>9817836
This is bait
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U better be trolling.

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