So does Murakami himself know what everything means and who everyone is and how everything links together? Or is he just as clueless as to how everything wraps up as how he leaves the reader at the end?
lol why are you reading a book for girls?
>>9827337
it wasn't written for girls, it was written for murakami
the main character is a self insert if there ever was one
>he's a writer
>a good writer
>attractive
>in very good shape
>big cock
>gets to fuck borderline underage girls (this is a big plus for japanese men)
it's sort of pathetic when you think about it
>>9827355
>author writes about a writer
thats when you know you shouldnt read a book
What is the most literary quality detective novel?
>>9827322
The Savage Detectives :^)
>>9827322
The Hound Of Baskerville
In the Name of the Rose
So, what is actually the point of Infinite Jest? Is it that American society (and possibly a big part of western society) is so obscene and violent that the only way out is addiction and violent behaviours in general? That's interesting, but kinda... small. Isn't there something deeper than that?
>>9827179
>Is it that American society (and possibly a big part of western society) is so obscene and violent that the only way out is addiction and violent behaviours in general?
I recommend you read his tv essay.
It's about art and postmodern listlessness. DFW is too knowledgeable to put America on a pedestal and attack it like you claim
Damn, in this picture he looks kind of happy, or really a mix between happy and smug of sorts. The other pictures I've seen of him. Well... they seem more angrier, or disgusted. And then I remember how he would talk about irony and how it is destroying culture. Maybe that's why he is never so happy and usually disgusted or angry, or something in between. I don't know it seems as if in this picture he isn't thinking about the destructive power of irony. I like to imagine here he thinks: yes, I finally did it, I killed everyone last of that ironic scum, no longer can irony persist, and now finally, after all this bloodshed we can enter the new age of New Sincerity.
Well, that's what I think anyway.
>>9827179
> trying to analyze a poorly edited sci-fi novel
Looks like the jest is on you, boyo.
Why do all writers smoke?
>>9827075
emotional problems
fred flintstone got to them
>>9827075
DFW chewed.
I'll Start
Kindly Ones
its not really a subtext...its pretty overt.
Maybe im missing the historical context here, but what does transforming into a bug overnight is supposed to mean? And why is he treated in thia weird ignore/hate way by his family
>Friend is 20 years old
>Still exclusively reads young adult "novels"
>>9826767
They could not read at all...
>>9826845
might as well be
>>9826767
Better than comic books.
I just finished Black Mirror on netflix and I have read a couple great books with confusing/twist endings like American Psycho... are there any other good books in the same vein that really fucks you up with a twist or two?
>>9826699
Palahniuk has good twist endings.
Fight Club, Invisible Monsters, Rant.
>kike casting
Nope
>>9826727
casting sucks but i love the mind fuck twist endings and story enough to get by... literally every fucking relationship in this show is interracial
Why wasn't I taught how to use these in high school? Ever since learning how to use semi-colons my writing has improved dramatically. When I write papers I no longer spend a long time re-structuring sentences that have too many "and"s, commas and run-ons.
Did anyone else never learn how to use these in school? Also thoughts on semi-colons.
>>9826679
>Ils n'ont pas un mot comme "donc"
lel
>>9826687
Yes we do dumb frog.
>>9826679
"Here is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college."
anyone else get the feeling that if only he wasn't such a humble and kind guy, and more of an egotistical megalomaniac tryhard, that he could have been the best writer EVER, but that he was just holding back his power level the whole time?
>>9826675
That's tough. Hate to say it but like Kafka or Nabokov he strikes me as a little to specialized, or niche. No Proust. No Tolstoy.
>>9826675
i think he was a megalomaniac in a way, and he was the best writer ever
>>9826675
He seemed scared of his own writings. He reached his peak relatively early in his carreer (after getting over a gauchesque phase) and after that he spent the rest of his career distancing himself from his greatest works as much as possible, backpedaling on his avantgarde tendencies so much he became a champion of sorts for anything written between the XVIth and XVIIIth century.
He was too much of a reader to be as good a writer as he could have been. He became convinced that there was no point in trying to innovate or try new things, since everything that was worth being written had already been written. So he proceeded to shit out books of bland poetry for 40 years and promptly died.
Still, probably my favourite writer.
Is he the best modern author? Murakami and him are definitely above all others.
>>9827332
Yes, indeed. I don't know of Murakami, but I do believe that GRRM is the best writer alive at this moment.
I just started reading A Song of Ice and Fire.
What about that guy you mentioned, how is M? Any good work?
Okay /lit/ can you give me your 5 must read books?
I have a week of work and I am looking to build up a backlog of books. I normally only read history so I am almost blank when it comes to fiction so I would be very interested in what you all think.
>>9826488
The Brothers K
Moby Dick
Hamlet
Illiad &Oddyssey
Don Quixote
The Holy Bible (Knox Version)
Anna Karenina
Democracy: The God That Failed
The Gulag Archipelago (All 3 volumes if you have the time, Abridged version if you are a pleb)
Doing The Philippines (By: Matt Forney)
>>9826546
go to bed jordan
Since im not spending my time with anything i decided to finally use it for something and start reading, i always liked to read when i was younger though it was mostly the usual fantasy stuff.
Im especially interested in Books about Psychology and History. Politics, especially NatSoc interest me, though im not a /pol/poster or something.
The real reason im making this thread is because im asking for help on where to start, what do you guys reccomend?
>>9826332
The Greeks.
Homer (Iliad and Odyssey)
Hesiod
Herodotus
Euripides / Sophocles / Aeschylus
Thucydides
Plato
Aristotle
>>9826369
Do you mean all their works or can you specify?
>>9826385
Yes
>“Some can be more intelligent than others in a structured environment—in fact school has a selection bias as it favors those quicker in such an environment, and like anything competitive, at the expense of performance outside it. Although I was not yet familiar with gyms, my idea of knowledge was as follows. People who build their strength using these modern expensive gym machines can lift extremely large weights, show great numbers and develop impressive-looking muscles, but fail to lift a stone; they get completely hammered in a street fight by someone trained in more disorderly settings. Their strength is extremely domain-specific and their domain doesn't exist outside of ludic—extremely organized—constructs. In fact their strength, as with over-specialized athletes, is the result of a deformity. I thought it was the same with people who were selected for trying to get high grades in a small number of subjects rather than follow their curiosity: try taking them slightly away from what they studied and watch their decomposition, loss of confidence, and denial. (Just like corporate executives are selected for their ability to put up with the boredom of meetings, many of these people were selected for their ability to concentrate on boring material.) I've debated many economists who claim to specialize in risk and probability: when one takes them slightly outside their narrow focus, but within the discipline of probability, they fall apart, with the disconsolate face of a gym rat in front of a gangster hit man.”
>>9826156
I can relate so much.
>>9826156
Insufferable loser who is right about some things. He'll fit in fine here.
>>9826156
>people who work out in gyms can't lift a stone
Where do you see this? This is not true
>people who work out a lot would get beat up in a fight
They're not training in fighting they're training in picking things up with certain muscles. A better example would be martial arts training versus street fighting but that's not true for martial arts that do actual sparring.
>try taking people away from what they study and they aren't as good
Wow, someone isn't good at someone they don't practice, so profound
>when I debate an expert on a certain topic and then talk about so,thing he isn't an expert in it's just like when someone whose an expert in something meets someone who is an experts im a different thing
Wow you're so smart omg here's $100k write a book
Was this the worst thing that happened to literature in the past 50+ years? It isn't so much that the books are bad (they are) but the fandom which followed and how they interpret the real world through the Harry Potter books.
>>9826103
They are annoying. I don't see why it's bad for literature though lol.
I'd argue that it's the worst thing that has ever happened to literature.
are hp books still popular in america?
here in poland barely anyone remembers them
Are there any /lit/erary figures who died virgins? Bonus points for people who didn't have sex for reasons other than being ugly and incompetent, such as pursuit of craft.
>>9825946
David Foster Wallace
>>9825946
Henry James.
>>9825946
>pursuit of craft
Is that an euphemism for autism?