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so whats the solution

>>9835614
What's this from?

>>9836589
Grow out of it, I guess.

It's really useful to get some background knowledge about the main figures and gods before reading the Iliad. If you don't know anything about mythology, this book is a good start and a quick read.

>>9835574
I'd say reading it entirely is a good idea,as towards the end it goes into the backstory/families of central characters in homers works.(Agamemnon for instance.)

>>9835574
Read til the Trojan war

>>9835566
Good thread.

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>>9835566
Infinite Jest is unironically the worst thing Wallace ever wrote. Brief Interviews played with language better. Good Old Neon explored the same central themes better. His essays express specific insights better.

Infinite Jest is just an amalgamation of the worst and most indulgent tendencies of all Wallace's other work, remarkable only for its length. I love the man, but the fact that anyone thinks Jest is his magnum opus boggles my mind.

Maybe I'm just a fucking moron, but I don't see the appeal.

>>9835913
The works you mention as better come AFTER ij too, which I think is important. Dfw just needed to impose his big phallic novel into the world so he could do other, different stuff. GoN and BI are fantastic--especially underrated is the pivot from drugs/addiction/hyper-whatever to the 'banal': offices and normal type folk. You can draw a straight line from BI to oblivion to TPK. I also tell people to read supposedly fun thing (better version of IJ--entertainment, infantalization of US, general problems of US, tennis essay lol) then oblivion. That's getting the most condensed Wallacian themes. The other pre-IJ stuff is all his bullshit theory crap and obsession w/Witt and Pomo's. Not worth at all

>>9835544
I have to mention that this poem is from 1967. In the current year it seems very naive to me.

The novels I got are
>A Convederate General from Big Sur
>Sombrero Fallout
So the Wind Won't Blow it All Away
>Trout Fishing in America
Any idea which one to start with?

>>9835563
>I have to mention that this poem is from 1967. In the current year it seems very naive to me.
lots of people accuse Brautigan of being naive, and usually it's an indication that they are middle class and would never conceive of the hardships he understood. To me, like his vision of the American home, that poem sounds apocalyptic: humans have gone back to nature and the machines continue without them, as pointless as flowers.
>inb5 flowers have a point
as much as everything else, including whirring computer tapes. A lot of people read it as a utopia, but they've never relied on fishing and hunting to not starve and hope for computers that will not make them return to standard mammalian existence. Brautigan on the other hand spent most of his childhood in such poverty that how they made pancakes in his house was sifting the rat droppings out of the flour before adding just water, and how they got meat was hunting. Returning to being a mammal for him isn't as hard to conceive.

Also good to note, he's resident poet at CalTech at the time.

You might want to save So the Wind for last. Any of the other three are good to start with, especially the Confederate General and Trout Fishing. Sombrero is better when you know enough about him to realize it's poking fun at himself. So the Wind is best last because it feels like he's been building up to tell that story over his whole career, and I'd leave it until you read the rest of his shit if you happen to like them.

adam curtis is a fag and cybernetics is a meme

bumping for scientific reasons

>>9835539
>>9835702
use #bookz homolord

>>9835724
You can download books from twitter!?!?

>>9835528
Your diary.

>>9835528
As an experiment, you could let me fuck your ass. We both could learn something

>>9835528
I just wrote this in another thread but the shared experience of gay people is isolation. I have a degree of respect for more effeminate types because they clearly broadcast their lack of masculinity at an early age. Out of curiosity or out of lust, some of the men will have sex with them. When rumors are spread, the men who fucked them will be the first to call them faggots as to not to reveal their own secret. The bottom learns that anybody who they show affection to will turn on them and the top recognizes he must keep distance between him and his target in order to maintain his status. Both live a life of as nervous outsiders to a gender that could reject them wholesale at any time. The women will accept gays as nothing more than a foot servant and men will practice distance. Real strength is found at your individual core, finding some kind of redemption or at least a way to relate others through abstract means of art or politics. Retards in the gay culture use collective strength to extract revenge against a patriarchal culture they find antagonistic.

What to remember is isolation. Fetishes and sexual dysfunctions are a result of sexuality developed alone or digitally trying to come to fruition in the physical, concrete world. I can't really speak to the experience of gay kids living in an "accepting climate." Much of my experience is founded in a parochial upbringing.

>>9835438
>inb4 Mein Kampf and Atlas Shrugged

>>9835438
story of the eye

(((>>9835445)))

Congrats, you now realize human's like to pretend to know everything.

>>9835414
The natural-supernatural dichotomy only exists and make sense within the context of the abrahamic faiths, in which their Gods supposedly exist outside of (above/super) the world we humans inhabit.
Western science co-opts the dichotomy but redefines "supernatural" to mean "anything that offends my materialistic sensibilities"

>>9835466
>Western science co-opts the dichotomy but redefines "supernatural" to mean "anything that offends my materialistic sensibilities"
Same thing with materialism and supernatural stuff being 'immaterial'. Doesn't matter just mean stuff that exists? If gods/ghosts/etc were discovered, they would have to be made of something. They would have to be set up in some way. Even if it was some exotic matter, some never-seen-before particles, it would still be matter. This means terms materialsm and immaterial are meaningless.

>>9835335
>What i am for?
Nothing really, you're useless

>>9835352
Nice projecting there.

>>9835358
>n-no y-you!
nice comeback buddy

All Quiet on the Western Front

>>9835397
/thread

>>9835397
This is good. I remember crying over it.

Snow Crash was fucking insane. If you like discussions about Sumer and random conspiracy theories about language, It's pretty good.

>>9835422
Is it true he's an AnCap? R*ddit seems to think so.

>>9835299
> Is he any good?
Yes.

Can you actually do this?

>>9837089
Yeah its good for like $50 per 7k word piece

>>9835255
Goddammit I sell my own original heterosexual vanilla non-BDSM smut on Amazon and I barely earn enough to buy a beer. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

>>9835221
start with the greeks

>>9835221
There's a state of conscious that will render the situation into one gratitude and thankfulness for what you'd never experience in yourself without her otherwise, so just remember that same state of consciousness is the one that actually deserves all those babes you masturbate to. Until then be as easy on yourself as possible and understand all the ways you don't deserve what's happened, especially the weed. No one deserves to have to smoke weed.

I'd just say read the book of disquiet if you want to skip to the end game

>>9835221
Start with the Aztecs and ignore the eurangutan above me

>>9835220
I speak French

>>9835220
Be a homosexual.

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>>9835220
Listen to this, now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdahSTbhU7g&t=979s

>>9835205
ive read the prince and some of his essays, i think the order doesnt really matter

Read Discourses on Livy before reading The Prince, because it makes clear the ironic and satirical nature of The Prince. Machiavelli was a great admirer and supporter of republican values

>>9836932
>satire
nice meme