What does it mean to be wise? Is wisdom inherently valuable? How does one become wiser?
so /lit/, did you have any specific plans literature-wise for this year? did you/will you achieve it in this last 4 months?
do you have any plans for 2018?
what are the major works you enjoyed the most this year?
will start
>didn't have any specific plans besides learning italian, just wanted to read as much good literature as I could. could've been better but I'm okay with what I've read so far. I believe I will reach fluency in italian by the end of the year.
>next year I want to focus on non-fic, been reading lots of memes that kind of distracted me from philosophy and theology. also want to reach fluency in french and spanish by 2019
>ulysses, moby dick
sorry if it is too much of a blog-post, but I enjoy sharing and reading other people's plans
>>10003419
This "reaching fluency" you talk about - how long does it take you to reach fluency in a new language? Counting from day one I mean
>>10003471
I started learning italian 24 of july, so its almost 2 months. I can write in italian but it takes a bit of time to write a few lines. reading is way easier, I can read few song lyrics without having to look up much words for instance, with some exceptions.
as for talking/listening, I can talk as much as I can write because pronunciation is easy, the problem is vocabulary/sentence building. Listening comprehension, without subtitles I struggle to understand a italian movie, for instance, but with italian subs, although I don't understand like 30~40% of it, I can understand the main plot of the movie.
however I speakbrazilianportuguese, and so to learn the other 3 'romance languages' (italian, french, spanish and portuguese) is pretty easy compared to learning english for instance due to the strong similarities between the 4 (which also makes translations between them pretty accurate). I believe the easier will be spanish, because I can pretty much read spanish without ever learning it, and french will be the hardest, while italian I see as a mid-term. But I believe is doable to get fluent at those 2 in one year.
>>10003581
Seems crazy fast, but if you gan pull it off, hats off to you.
As for myself, I intend to stop reading fiction for a year for the first time in my life. I feel like I reached the point where reading another novel, however good, just won't improve my life in a very significant way. I intend to focus on my body, in line with the "Mens sana in corpore sano" idea, further my studies of the middle ages and translation theory. I will also try to sort out the notes for my book, they got a bit chaotic in the recent months. The last thing is my yearly book translation project - one year, one book.
PS: isn't it nice to be able to share all that? If I tried to say that IRL people would think I'm an insufferable, pretentious twat.
philosophy is for failed artists or scientists. no one would choose to be a philosopher over a genius composer or a genius scientist, because it is always a last resort profession, for failures and frauds
>Nietzsche - wanted to be a composer and failed
>Wittgenstein - wanted to be an engineer, failed, wanted to be a mathematician, failed, wanted to be a musician, failed
>Heidegger - wished he was a poet/artist, failed
>Schopenhaur - wished he was a musician so that wouldn't have to live his boring philosopher life, failed
>Russell - wanted to be a great mathematician, wasn't as smart as other mathematicians and so opted for philosophy
>every single modern anglo philosopher - wished they were mathematicians, but failed, so they try pathetically to use mathematical symbols and logic in their philosophy so that they can at least get the aesthetic of it
Philosophers are also all sad manlets trying to compensate for low self esteem
>Heidegger was like 5 feet
>Wittgenstein - 5'6"
>Nietzsche 5'8"
>Camus - 5'7"
>Kant - 5'0" LMAO
>Sartre - 5'0" LMFAO
>Derrida - 5'5"
>Zizek - 5'8"
etc. etc. etc..
Philosophers wish they could make an impact on the world, they wish they could create beautiful works of art, they wish they could be good looking Chads, but they always fail, so they try to argue their way out of it, reason their way our of it: "I may not be able to get that cute girl, but, uh, it's because I'm the Ubermensch, hehehe, right guys!?" Every philosophical theory has been overturned, and philosophy has NEVER come up with a definitive answer. It is a failed field, and no one takes it seriously. Philosophers are all sad, pathetic, delusional people.
>inb4 philosopher manlets try to refute this with "hurr durr spooks!" "muh muh philosophy was before science so therefore uh, uh, it's superior" or "surprise you've been doing philosophy ur whole l-life, haha gotcha!" or literal philosophical reasoning, proving my point exactly
LMFAO
>>10003366
Saged for stale pasta
Is detective/murder mystery still a viable genre these days? It feels like every story has been told, every locked room mystery already done.
Is there a market for a genre-fusing of detective fiction and fantasy? That way you could go the extra mile and incorporate magic or the supernatural into the a genre dependent on pure logic. Could that even work?
What are some recommended translations of Hesiod's main works? I'm enjoying reading about Greek/Roman mythology a lot more than I thought I would so I'd appreciate being able to read his original works.
>>10003186
Oxford worked for me
Lattimore has good translations.
>>10003487
I had no idea Lattimore translated Hesiod. It's a shame it is digitally unavailable.
What poems do you like, where it's written with the structure of the poem in mind, like being written the same backwards/forwards, or being in a certain shape? I like this one because it reads the same backwards and forwards
(II) The Demon Regent Asmodeus
Symmetry becomes it.
Come to ruin our impending feast,
a presence that nourishes suffering.
All things below voice his burning name.
His turmoil offers only truth in which longer moments live.
Let consciousness recapture the flicker it saw then.
Torch our continuity of thought
now until that mind evaporates.
Lust after shadows in us,
rend that lace of promises broken and white lies,
regard our love of wreckage,
the way our heads thunder approaching that warning pulse
and temple of throbbing light that is
Asmodeus.
Asmodeus
is that light throbbing of temple and pulse
warning that approaching thunder heads our way.
the wreckage of love,
our regard lies white and broken,
promises of lace that rend us in shadow,
after lust evaporates.
Mind that until now thought of continuity,
our torch, then saw it flicker.
The recapture, consciousness let live moments longer,
which, in truth, only offers turmoil.
His name burning,
his voice below things.
All suffering nourishes that presence.
A feast impending.
Our ruin to come.
It becomes symmetry.
-Alan Moore
*Moon and Serpent Grand Egyptian Theater of Marvels*
I'm well educated in myths and tropes and know how to construct a story to manipulate an audience, but have never read Joyce and honestly have been too busy reading for study and am primed for a spontaneous ejaculation of creativity. I feel like reading Joyce will speed me along the evolutionary on-ramp. Should I read this?
>>10003082
>I'm well educated in myths and tropes and know how to construct a story to manipulate an audience
You write scifi or fantasy don't you? Or something weird like that
>>10003082
Nah, mostly moral arguments explored in serendipitous layered bullshit like Crash, Young Ones, or Synecdoche NY. I have one good script but no takers. Help a retard out.
>>10003082
gotta start with the greeks first (up till odyssey at least)
then Dubliners -> artist as a young man -> Ulysses
I'm too much of a brainlet for poetry.
Why don't poems rhyme anymore? Free verse seems confusing.
Also, how did most poets write poems? Did they tend to come up with the content first and rewrite to fit a specific form or did they decide on a form first and then write the content to fit it. The second one seems more sensible to me.
>>10003028
>Why don't poems rhyme anymore?
Plenty still do
>the process
Big, big variances there. Some write the way you are saying, some (like ts eliot) say that formal poetry writes itself.
My professor writes little vignettes constantly, and sees if any piece together well
Why didn't he just stop trying to kill the whale when it was obvious he couldn't get him? Kind of dumb character desu
wth I typed desu not desu?!
>>10003003
Newfag.
>>10002997
>>10003003
>>10003019
all me btw
Hi C/lit/s,
I've been looking for these books online for as long as this chart has been a thing and i can't find them. Could any of you with a University pass make a file with these books in pdf , i , and without a doubt many others , would be extremely grateful.
Thanks in advance m80s
>>10002964
I just picked 3 at random and found them at libgen and soulseek.
I dont care enough to do the work tho
>>10002964
try b-ok.org if you havent.
>tfw when you will never be a 19th century british gentlemen and amateur orientalist
fuckin triggered me op
What is a character from a literary work you relate to? Why?
this game was super comfy desu
>>10002941
Quixote
/lit/ is like Dulcinea
specifically Quixote from Part II since I actually know better than to expect anything good
>>10002941
Bartleby, cause I'd prefer not to do most of the things I wind up having to do
What are some good about the irony of powerful people or beings who realize how impotent they are despite that, or become bored of their power?
Russian contemporary plays.
most shakespearean tragedies
most attic greek tragedies
>>10002881
Such as?
Has anyone here read the little stories Pynch wrote in his high school newspaper? Ye Legend of Sir Stupid and the Purple Knight is delightful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Pynchon_bibliography#Juvenilia
https://biblioklept.org/2013/02/26/ye-legend-of-sir-stupid-and-the-purple-knight-thomas-pynchon-juvenilia/
>>10002722
Delightful is the right word. And his grasp of language at 16, when the "R8 my stuff" threads are 99% cringe... makes you appreciate the talent
>>10002722
I didn't get it
>>10003167
Are you familiar with Sir Gawain and the Green Knight?
Taking Service Classes Seriously In Philosophy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMkAP5VJ08M
I really want to read this book but I'm afraid that a lot of it will pass over my head (I'm esl). Is there a specific edition I should get that would help me to better understand the book?
Also, what are other Medieval literature I should try? The Canterbury Tales sounds very interesting, and I'm interested in the era in general. Is there something good which is talking about the life in the era stuff like that?
>>10002609
I had the same problem, and I ended up printing two copies, one in middle english and one in modern english, and then comparing the two verse by verse. It's a lot of work, but this way you don't miss stuff
About other medieval literature - I bought a complete norton's anthology of english literature, and the first volume deals with the middle ages. It gives you enough titles to lat for a considerable time. I'm travelling at the moment so I don't have access to my books, but if you can't buy it/find it online, I'll try to write down some titles for you
>>10002679
Thanks man, I'll check it out.