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"The problem with language is, no matter how we try to express ourselves, we are caught up in the structure of words. There is no point in creating new language, a new lingo, to express anything. There is nothing there to be expressed except to free yourself from the stranglehold of thought."-UG
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"You do create me. I don't create you for the simple reason that I don't have any image of myself.:
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>>9911676
Language is the fundamental technology there is no expression without it
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>>9912207
>mutes can't express anything

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Yet there is a certain solitude like no other - that of the man preparing his meal in public on a wall, or on the hood of his car, or along a fence, alone. You see that all the time here. It is the saddest sight in the world. Sadder than destitution, sadder than the beggar is the man who eats alone in public. Nothing more contradicts the laws of man or beast, for animals always do each other the honour of sharing or disputing each other’s food. He who eats alone is dead...
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When from dark error's subjugation

My words of passionate exhortation

Had wrenched thy fainting spirit free;

And writhing prone in thine affliction

Thou didst recall with malediction

The vice that had encompassed thee:

And when thy slumbering conscience, fretting

By recollection's torturing flame,

Thou didst reveal the hideous setting

Of thy life's current ere I came:

When suddenly I saw thee sicken,

And weeping, hide thine anguished face,

Revolted, maddened, horror-stricken,

At memories of foul disgrace.

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What app do y'all use for audiobooks you've torrented?
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Pls help
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I like the VLC mobile apps a fair bit. They support folders/playlists for media as well as background play and increasing playback speed.
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>>9911627
A pirated copy of Listen audiobook player I got from Mobilism.

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Is the upcoming solar eclipse the best example of the spectacle?
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no, shit threads are
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>>9911615
Not the eclipse itself, but the commodification of it (commemorative shirts and glasses, TV coverage, viewing parties, etc) for sure.
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>Is the upcoming solar eclipse the best example of the spectacle?
can you explain this? i don't see how it is an example at all except >>9912518
but even then...

the solar eclipse is pretty ideologically empty

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what is the prettiest hardcover edition of this
>Judging a book by its cover
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This pretty much

Not Aesop's fables, but does anyone know of a good collection of fables from around the world?
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What do you mean by fables?
Do you want didactics or folk stories?
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Aesop is overrated shit
Ovid's Metamorphoses is basically a collection of Greek myths written one after another poetically. Oxford World Classics is a good translation with endnotes and can be found cheap

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>I wish someone had just told me the truth right up front, as soon as I was old enough to understand it. I wish someone had just said: “Here’s the deal, Wade. You’re something called a ‘human being.’ That’s a really smart kind of animal. Like every other animal on this planet, we’re descended from a single-celled organism that lived millions of years ago. This happened by a process called evolution, and you’ll learn more about it But trust me, that’s really how we all got here. There’s proof of it everywhere, buried in the rocks. That story you heard? About how we were all created by a super-powerful dude named God who lives up in the sky? Total bullshit. The whole God thing is actually an ancient fairy tale that people have been telling one another for thousands of years. We made it all up. Like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. “Oh, and by the way … there’s no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny. Also bullshit. Sorry, kid Deal with it.”
― Kurt Vonnegut

What is some nazbol literature and philosophy?
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eat shit and die
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>>9911425
Read Niekisch. Not a lot is translated but there's this.
https://niekischtranslationproject.wordpress.com/
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>>9911425
Also ignore shills like this poster: >>9912006

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Does anyone have the video of drunk man yelling DFW out of car? Much appreciated if you guys can post it. By the way, this subreddit has gone done in quality a lot in the past couple of years.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXvAd7COpJY
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>>9911354
yea its garbage now sadly it was always bad but it was a comforting bad now its just abrasive
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>>9911363
how the fuck

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Hey guys, I'm new to /lit/. Basically, after being a dumb piece of shit for months I decided I don't want to be a fucking dumb piece of shit. I'm studying for the law school exam, I need an interesting book that will help me look forward and stay motivated. A friend of mine I admire told me to read Nietzche and dump self-help bullshit, is he right? Anyways I'm just looking for an interesting read while studying, it could be a fiction book. He also told me to uninstall every videogame and just exercise, study and read until the day of my exam and that after that I will not go back. That sounds good but isn't that too much? My mum gave me 1984 and Animal Farm, I'm enjoying them, if that helps. Thanks guys, I really appreciate it.
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Video games wise cut down, one hour for each hour you spend reading (if that is too difficult spent one hour being productive/bettering yourself e.g. exercise or tidying your damn room).
Interesting entry level literature (note the use literature as opposed to books) include many of the works of the great American novelists such as Hemingway (Men without women is an easy introduction), Steinbeck et al.
Since you're enjoying Orwell you may enjoy Brave New World (Huxley) or maybe A Clockwork Orange (Burgess). The latter is slightly more different due to the dialect the author uses but the Penguin edition includes a useful glossary in the appendix.

Hope this helped, don't expect anything productive from this place other than
>Start with the Greeks
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>>9911253
Thank you
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>>9911227

>dumb piece of shit

>Not a fucking mastermind

Seems to me like you're standing between me and millions of dollars, and I'm only waiting for you to slip. Just a little.

Recommend me a good introductory book to philosophy from ancient greece that also has some interesting history stories in it?

pls
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>>9911149
Diogenes Laërtius' Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers.
Now btfo

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Decent books about the Wars of the Roses? Got myself The End of the House of Lancaster by R. L. Storey, looking good so far.
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>>9911116
>Decent books about the Wars of the Roses?
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>>9911129
You got me, I became interested after aSoIaF. In my defence, during my education the whole thing was more or less described as "another time England fucked itself up", knowing nothing about it was encouraged.
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>>9911155
Mmhm.

Well, I don't know have any recommendations for you. Just a comment that the history of Europe would be very interesting and probs very different if the Wars of the Roses didn't result in a unified England with a strong monarchy.

Also, this is pretty fascinating:

>The rules of military engagement changed as civil war succeeded overseas campaigns. It was customary for the heavy cavalry to fight entirely on foot.[61] In several cases, noblemen dismounted and fought among the common foot-soldiers, to inspire them and to dispel the notion that in the case of defeat they might be ransomed while the common soldiers, being of little value, faced death. It was often claimed, however, that the nobles faced greater risks than the ordinary soldiers as there was little incentive for anyone to take prisoner any high-ranking noble during or immediately after a battle. During the Hundred Years' War against France, a captured noble would be able to ransom himself for a large sum, but in the Wars of the Roses, a captured noble who belonged to a defeated faction had a high chance of being executed as a traitor. For example, forty-two captured knights were executed after the Battle of Towton.[62] The Burgundian observer Philippe de Commines, who met Edward IV in 1470, reported:

>King Edward told me in all the battles which he had won, as soon as he had gained victory, he mounted his horse and shouted to his men that they must spare the common soldiers and kill the lords, of whom none or few escaped.[51]

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>Not one, my lord.
>Besides, it should appear, that if he had
>The present money to discharge the Jew,
>He would not take it. Never did I know
>A creature, that did bear the shape of man,
>So keen and greedy to confound a man:
>He plies the duke at morning and at night,
>And doth impeach the freedom of the state,
>If they deny him justice: twenty merchants,
>The duke himself, and the magnificoes
>Of greatest port, have all persuaded with him;
>But none can drive him from the envious plea
>Of forfeiture, of justice and his bond.

in all seriousness, what did shakespeare mean by this?
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Are you the anon posting about Kevin Macdonald all the time?
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>...and if you wrong us, shall we not
revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will
resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian,
what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian
wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by
Christian example? Why, revenge. The villany you
teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I
will better the instruction.

what a mystery
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>"What more could my heart desire?" said the servant to himself, and went merrily on his way.

>Soon afterward he met a Jew with a long goatee, who was standing listening to a bird singing high up in the top of a tree.

>"One of God's own miracles," he shouted, "that such a small creature should have such a fearfully loud voice. If only it were mine! If only someone would sprinkle some salt on its tail!"

>"If that is all you want," said the servant, "then the bird shall soon be down here." He took aim, hit it precisely, and the bird fell down into a thorn hedge.

>"Rogue," he said to the Jew, "Go and fetch the bird out for yourself."

>"My goodness," said the Jew, "don't call me a rogue, sir, but I will be the dog and get the bird out for myself. After all, you're the one who shot it."

>Then he lay down on the ground and began crawling into the thicket. When he was in the middle of the thorns, the good servant could not resist the temptation to pick up his fiddle and begin to play.

>The Jew's legs immediately began to move, and he jumped up. The more the servant fiddled the better went the dance. However, the thorns ripped apart the Jew's shabby coat, combed his beard, and pricked and pinched him all over his body.

>"My goodness," cried the Jew, "what do I want with your fiddling? Stop playing, sir. I don't want to dance."

>But the servant did not listen to him, and thought, "You have fleeced people often enough, and now the thorn hedge shall do the same to you." He began to play all over again, so that the Jew had to jump even higher, leaving scraps from his coat hanging on the thorns.

>"Oh, woe is me!" cried the Jew. "I will give the gentleman anything he asks, if only he quits fiddling, even a purse filled with gold."

>"If you are so generous," said the servant, "then I will stop my music. But I must praise the singular way that you dance to it." Then he took his purse he went on his way.

>The Jew stood there quietly watching the servant until he was far off and out of sight, and then he screamed out with all his might, "You miserable musician, you beer-house fiddler! Wait until I catch you alone. I will chase you until you wear the soles off your shoes. You ragamuffin, just put a groschen in your mouth, so that you will be worth six hellers." He continued to curse as fast as he could speak. As soon as he had thus refreshed himself a little, and caught his breath again, he ran into the town to the judge.

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Hui Tzu10 said to Chuang Tzu, "The king of Wei gave me some seeds of a huge gourd. I planted them, and when they grew up, the fruit was big enough to hold five piculs. I tried using it for a water container, but it was so heavy I couldn't lift it. I split it in half to make dippers, but they were so large and unwieldy that I couldn't dip them into any thing. It's not that the gourds weren't fantastically big - but I decided they were no use and so I smashed them to pieces."

Chuang Tzu said, "You certainly are dense when it comes to using big things! In Sung there was a man who was skilled at making a salve to prevent chapped hands, and generation after generation his family made a living by bleaching silk in water. A traveler heard about the salve and offered to buy the prescription for a hundred measures of gold. The man called everyone to a family council. `For generations we've been bleaching sills and we've never made more than a few measures of gold,' he said. `Now, if we sell our secret, we can make a hundred measures in one morning. Let's let him have it!' The traveler got the salve and introduced it to the king of Wu, who was having trouble with the state of Yueh. The king put the man in charge of his troops, and that winter they fought a naval battle with the men of Yueh and gave them a bad beating.11 A portion of the conquered territory was awarded to the man as a fief. The salve had the power to prevent chapped hands in either case; but one man used it to get a fief, while the other one never got beyond silk bleaching - because they used it in different ways. Now you had a gourd big enough to hold five piculs. Why didn't you think of making it into a great tub so you could go floating around the rivers and lakes, instead of worrying because it was too big and unwieldy to dip into things! Obviously you still have a lot of underbrush in your head!"

Hui Tzu said to Chuang Tzu, "I have a big tree of the kind men call shu. Its trunk is too gnarled and bumpy to apply a measuring line to, its branches too bent and twisty to match up to a compass or square. You could stand it by the road and no carpenter would look at it twice. Your words, too, are big and useless, and so everyone alike spurns them!"

Chuang Tzu said, "Maybe you've never seen a wildcat or a weasel. It crouches down and hides, watching for something to come along. It leaps and races east and west, not hesitating to go high or low-until it falls into the trap and dies in the net. Then again there's the yak, big as a cloud covering the sky. It certainly knows how to be big, though it doesn't know how to catch rats. Now You have this big tree and you're distressed because it's useless. Why don't you plant it in Not-Even-Anything Village, or the field of Broad-and-Boundless, relax and do nothing by its side, or lie down for a free and easy sleep under it? Axes will never shorten its life, nothing can ever harm it. If there's no use for it, how can it come to grief or pain?"
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A man of Sung who traded in ceremonial caps traveled to the state of Viet. But the people of Viet cut off their hair and tattooed their bodies, so the caps were of no use. Yao brought order to all the people under heaven and brought peace to all within the four seas. He went to distant Mount Kuyeh to visit the Four Masters. Upon returning to his capital on the north bank of the Fen River, he fell into a daze and forgot all about his empire.

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One more experiment.
Experiments, facts, truth of the highest instance.
There is no such thing as facts. Especially here.
All this is someone's idiotic invention.
Don't you feel it?
But you, of course, must find out whose invention it is.
And why. What good can your knowledge do?
Who is going to get guilty conscience because of it? Me?
I've got no conscience. I just got nerves.
Some bastard would criticize me, I get wounded.
Another would loud me, I get wounded again.
I would put my heart and soul in it,
they gobble up both my heart and soul.
I would relieve me soul of filth, they gobble it up too.
They're all so literate. They all got sensory deficiency.
And they're all swarming around,
journalists, editors, critics, some endless broads.
And they all demand: more, more!
What hell of a writer am I if I hate writing?
If it's constant torment for me, a painful, shameful occupation;
sort of squeezing out a hemorrhoids.
I used to think that someone would get better because of my books.
No, nobody needs me!
In two days after I die they'll start gobbling up someone else.
I wanted to change them, but it's they who've changed me.
Making me in their own image.
The future used to be just a continuation of the present,
with all the changes looming far behind the horizon.
Now the future and present are one. Are they ready for it?
They don't want to know anything! All they know is how to gobble!
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A 71 year random dude I met on the street once told me:
"Only 2 types of people can be truly happy.
Mathematicians and poets. They only need pen and paper to express themselves."
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Whats his best monolouge?

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>>9911600
pretty good. Also nice doubles. Much appreciated.

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