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http://mundusmillennialis.com/

>C R E D O · E R G O · S C I O

>I BELIEVE, THEREFORE, I KNOW.

>BELIEF IS A PREREQUISITE FOR KNOWLEDGE; ONE CANNOT KNOW WITHOUT AN A PRIORI CARDINAL PRINCIPLE, THE TRUTH OF WHICH IS IMMUTABLE, THUS: BELIEF, THEN KNOWLEDGE.

>ONE BELIEVES IN THE CARDINAL PRINCIPLE, THEREFORE, ONE HAS FAITH IN THE CARDINAL PRINCIPLE, THEREFORE, ONE KNOWS, THEREFORE, ONE SEES.

>TO BELIEVE IS TO SEE.

>BLINDNESS FROM IGNORANCE; IGNORANCE FROM DUBIETY; DUBIETY FROM UNBELIEF.

How true is this?
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>DUBIETY
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>>9917122
Your pattern recognizing machine finds large scale patterns in things and deduces universal principles and axioms from these patters. If your reason tells you that the patterns you recognize are stupid and impossible and illusory, you will stop seeing those patterns. A leap of faith is silencing that part of your reason that says certain patterns are impossible, and moreover bringing to the front of your mind the idea not only that those patterns are possible, but that they are the most meaningful of all patterns. Because you are constantly bombarded with stimuli, you have tons of shit you can "find" patterns in. Thus, all you need to do is "believe" in a certain set of universals, or a certain interpretive apparatus, and all of a sudden you will start seeing confirmation of it everywhere, because your brain will be organizing shit to fit that pattern you believe in. Thus, you believe, and this is followed by more and more coherent structures ("knowledge") that make sense within the context of this belief. You believe in God, and that everything is a manifestation of God's purpose, you start seeing everything as a manifestation of God's purpose, and you "know" you were right about everythnig being a manifestation of God's purpose all along.
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this website fascinates me

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At some point, someone on here shared an epub of the complete works of Borges, as translated by Norman Thomas di Giovanni with the help of Borges himself. These are of course the only translations of Borges worth reading. I used to have it, but I've switched computers in the last year and have misplaced it. Can someone who has it put it up for sharing?

Let's also have a Borges thread, I suppose. I submit that "Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" is Borges' greatest story.
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>>9917117
>These are of course the only translations of Borges worth reading
If you believe this, you completely misunderstand Borges
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Borges wrote in English.
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>>9917212
You're right.
Nothing comes close to reading borges in spanish

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>worship strength
>not strong enough to accept Christ
Was this what drove him insane in the end?
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I haev big benis
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>>9917105
a woman beaten by her husband that still manages to love him also worships strength
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>>9917113
Jesus Christ wasn't a wifebeater.

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This man made greater contributions to ethics than Kant. Why don't we discuss him here?
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he's homo fag
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>>9917100
statism IS homo fag, anon
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>literally a neo-kantian
>greater contributions than Kant

hmm ok

I despise shallow twats who all seem to think they're Holly Golightly (but only Audrey Hepburn). I find women often lacking in critical thinking in everyday life. But to say they cannot write is fucking absurd.
Anais Nin may have been an erotomanic, but Delta of Venus contains some of the most inspired and observant erotica ever. Tanith Lee creates deft mosiacs of fakelore which furl into a perfect intricate narrative. Mary Renault vividly brings ancient lives forward. Even Anne Rice is a delightful pulpster.
I haven't even dug deeply. I know y'all are a bunch of Dick-grabbers, but there'd be no such animal without Melville 's admiration for the fundament of Frankenstein.
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>>9917016
at the very least you've shown by this post that not all men can write
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dont bother posting these thoughts in the future
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>>9917016

Lol how goes the war effort? It must be hard for you, knowing I'm not really paying any attention or caring all that much, thus limiting your effectiveness by about.... 99.9999999999999%

>actually at bookshop
>all the nice blak penguins lined up
>see beowulf
>thought it was pretty cool but never read the penguin translation
>turn to page one to get a sense for what the translation is like
>first line/word
>"attend!"

honestly disgusting, how could they translate hƿæt! to "attend!". Genuinely pathetic attempt. I'll grant that hƿæt is untranslatable in that sense, but surely "hark!", "listen!" or even "what!" would be superior to attend. The use of attend is almost french anyway. Horrific effort from them. Rant over.
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dumb facebook user
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>>9916997
imagine being this much of a pseud
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>>9916986
Heaney's "So:" is perfect, wouldn't you say?

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Dubs decide what will I get and read.
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>>9916943
culture of critique
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The Bible
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>>9916966
Holy crap, what have you done to me.

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What's the difference between starting with the Greeks and starting with the Sumerians? Why should I even bother deciding either and not just read what I want instead?
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Greeks were a bigger and more direct influence on roman and european writers.
As far as I know, only the jews were really influenced by the sumerians.
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Oh no reason at all. I fact, i hear the latest cuneiform translations are excellent.
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>>9916941
The Sumerian myths and creation story influenced Greeks and Jews which then influenced the entire West until now

But its not necessary

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>when you're nihilist but then you accept the epistemic objectivity of ontologically subjective experience
>when you didn't realize this would make it impossible to wash away worries in nihilism
>when you're actually less at peace now with objective value than before when you were nihilist
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WAYQ
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Genuine No-Prize for man who uses most meaningless academic buzzery in densest space.
Missed "tautological", but I see wat you did there,
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>>9916964
Genuine No-Prize for brainlet confused into hysterics by simplistic reasoning.

OP, I wouldn't conflate lack of meaning (of human life) with lack of truth. Those are two different realms with different arguments.

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the hum of our electric alienation
the backdrop of a boring tragedy
that nobody would ever be able to stomach
lost to time, no mythos, no beauty

superficial taken to perverse extremes
omitted from the future historian's account
on the basis of being "too much"
whither which he would not dare say

divorced from our ancestral heritage
divorced from belief which we'd be willing to die for
divorced from the very vitality of life
now, we consume a flat version, life-long spectators
full of color and sound and fury
but this time, signifying everything lost
yet being intrinsically beyond intimacy
the nature of the medium
is an inability to communicate
with the beauty we consume
one sided, disconnected, dissipating

who now can live with themselves?
all share in self violation
all are violated at an early age
suicide is the wise man's choice
but being fearful creatures
we opt for comfortable stagnation
until that inevitable tragedy befalls us
no, not tragedy, that is too beautiful
until that annoying, lackluster disease
until a car accident, or diabetes from over eating
until boredom and office tedium
makes us want to dissappear
no beauty in our tragedy anymore
just ugliness in everything
death, the ultimate source of poetic beauty
reduced to tedium again
like standing in line at the DMV
do we await that inevitable event
and once again, we will learn nothing from it

a book of faces, evaporating into the void
a mountain of servers containing data
that no poet who dare to touch
lest he be inextricably tainted by its soul sucking banality
Walt Whitman would have killed himself
Were he alive today.
Fallen doesn't begin to describe it
I yearn for the beauty of Adam
More readily would I wander through a landscape of thorns
Than face this reality before me
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>>9916799
I'm okay with this OP, but have considered just writing it as prose? I think it'd read smoother in that method, while still holding onto a bombastic, rhetorical element.

>divorced from belief which we'd be willing to die for
This would read better as:
Divorced from beliefs for which we'd be willing to die.

I've been re-reading some Baudrillard, I think the Perfect Crime would be right up your alley.
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>>9916842
I didn't really pre-edit or anything just poured forth because I'm feeling suicidal
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>>9916850
>divorced from our ancestral heritage
>divorced from belief which we'd be willing to die for
>divorced from the very vitality of life

These lines make me think you're holding onto some kind of traditionalist/conservative emotions, nostalgia for a past era. Forget it, civilizations change, and that change will come at increasingly faster rates. Every attempt to regress into a previous model is yet one more splintering, one more choice. Nick Land put it nicely in a recent article:

>There is no withdrawal from the course of modernity, ‘back’ into community, that does not reinforce the pattern of dissent, schism, and exit from which atomization continually replenishes its momentum. As private conscience directs itself towards escape from the privatization of conscience, it regenerates that which it flees, ever more deeply within itself. Individuation, considered impersonally, likes it when you run.

In previous era's, there was no concept of technological change. A feudal serf's children would also be feudal serfs. If you were to ask that serf "How will your children live?" he'd look at you perplexed and say: "Just like I do". Today, no one knows how their children will live, but it is safe to assume that the future will be 'more'. More races, more genders, more ideologies, more genres, more religions, more parties, more gadgets, more connectivity, more interaction, more change, more schism.

So as far as being suicidal goes, if you can forget your desire for some past era, there is great sadistic pleasure to be taken from our civilization.... morph? mutate? evolve? devolve? change? degenerate? progress? I couldn't possibly pick the right verb to complete that sentence, each would betray a bias, each would be pure speculation. We are ahead of all goals, ahead of all projections. We accelerate, but we don't know what we accelerate towards.

But unlike those feudal peasants, you get to watch this happen. If you get a hard on, feel free to jerk off.

Pic related, the intro to the Transparency of Evil by Baudrillard.

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Who was Ibid, and how was he so prolific?
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>cf. "Who was Ibid, and how was he so prolific?"

[sic] meme, my friend
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probably made a deal with iblis
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he wasn't bald and that already puts him most of the way ahead

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Who was the first philosopher you read, when, and why?

Pic related, I was 17. I had my first big breakup with a girl like 2 months before, and I knew why, because I was incredibly naive and I fucked it up due to my idiocy. I had a weak father who left the family when I was young, so I was really weak paternally, which should clue you in on the nature of my naivete. I discovered Nietzsche then and he kind of became a surrogate father.
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My introduction was literally called introduction to philosophy which was entrance exam material, the first philosopher I read was probably G.H Von Wright, unless you count some novelists or stuff like Aristotle's Poetics.
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>>9916673
Transcendentalists--Emerson in particular.
It was a pretty good experience
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William lane craig.
I used to be into the whole atheist thing and spent all my time reading and watching things related to atheism and religion at the age of 15-16.
When I got to william lane craig though, I was stumped and angry since he seemed to know it all and none of the atheists I admired had a objection to the cosmological/ontological argument that convinced me. That lead me to read his works on philosophy but I quickly moved onto plato and aristotle.

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I'm not really either a feminist nor some guy who thinks that "women are stoooopid", but Schopenhauer's view on women always makes me laugh hysterically. I cannot help but feel that it is exaggerated, but it has enough logical manly potency to make the right amount of sense. It's the kind if thing you'd like to refute but you haven't given enough thought as the person who is espousing the idea.
If you need a good laugh I recommend it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLDQVLuBbiw
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dog penis
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>it's a post that just says ''dog penis''
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It's an essay based on his personal views. That's it... back then psychology and biology were still unable to answer these things... One thing he got right : there are intrinsic differences between both genders.

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We are all going to die

How do you deal with it

Is using language (reading or writing) the best way
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well I read the Gita.
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The only way to master death is to kill yourself.
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>>9916610
>Is using language (reading or writing) the best way

It's actually the worst way; language and thought are the matrix.

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I literally just found out the divine comedy turns into an early space opera in the third book

why the fuck isn't this more well known?
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Ebin bread :^)

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