>tfw socrates died
it hurts bros
Fuck off Plato
>>9034127
I mean he would've have died anyway.
Life is a disease
t. socrates
>ITT: How to identify a pleb
1. They only associate Lovecraft with Cthulhu
>>9034090
I associate him with Cthulhu and racism
2. Harry Potter and ASoIaF are considered 'literature'
3. Sparknotes
Should we update this?
>>9034042
That's a troll image
What would we update it with? Contemporary literature isn't as good (notice how I didn't say it was "bad," so don't get your panties in a twist)
Considering literally none of the books in that pic are actually good, yes
Authors who are most deserving of a nobel prize
A minority.
>>9034013
joseph mcelroy
>>9034013
McElroy >>> Gass >= Wolfe
Having just finished C&P, I want to read another Dosto novel, and am wondering which one of The Idiot and Demons would be the better choice. I want to read The Brother Karamazov too, but I'm thinking about putting it off for a while, seeing as it's claimed to be his most complex work.
So The Idiot or Demons, which is it?
>>9033849
so what if it's "his most complex"?? just put more effort into understanding it, it's not hard
you are all fucking defeatist plebs
>>9033849
Neither read The Brothers Karamazov that and Crime and Punishment are quite literally the two greatest works of fiction ever written. Source English major who has read close to two hundred or so works of fiction throughout my life
>>9033849
>So The Idiot or Demons, which is it?
Neither, read Notes from the Underground instead.
I'm making a list of great ugly authors in order to feel better about myself for being ugly, so far I have:
- Pynchon
- Sartre
- Borges
- Houellebecq
- Flannery O'Connor
- Virginia Woolf
- Socrates
- Joyce (debatable)
- Kafka (debatable)
Anyone else?
>>9033839
All of them, really
You'd have an easier time making a list of good looking writers
>>9033839
Rimbaud
>>9033844
Derrida was fucking hot.
(Only one novel per writer, in chronological order)
Thomas Mann (Germany): "Buddenbrooks" (1901)
Henry James (USA): "The Golden Bowl" (1904)
Joseph Conrad (Britain): "Nostromo" (1904)
Luigi Pirandello (Italy): "The Late Mattia Pascal" (1904)
Edward-Morgan Forster (Britain): "Howards End" (1910)
Boris Bugayev "Andrey Bely" (Russia): "Petersburg" (1912)
Franz Kafka (Austria): "The Trial" (1915)
James Joyce (Ireland): "Ulysses" (1922)
Marcel Proust (France): "In Search of Lost Time" (1922)
Italo Svevo (Italy): "Zeno's Conscience" (1923)
Andre' Gide (France): "The Counterfeiters" (1925)
Francis-Scott Fitzgerald (USA): "The Great Gatsby" (1925)
Arthur Schnitzler: "Traumnovelle/ Dream Story" (1925)
Virginia Woolf (Britain): "To the Lighthouse" (1927)
Julien Green (France): "Adrienne Mesurat" (1927)
Mihail Sadoveanu (Romania): "Ancuta's Inn" (1928)
Stanislaw Witkiewicz (Poland): "Insatiability" (1930)
Vladislav Vancura (Czech): "Marketa Lazarova" (1931)
Louis-Ferdinand Celine (France): "Journey to the End of the Night" (1932)
William Faulkner (USA): "Light in August" (1932)
Miguel de Unamuno y Jugo (Spain): "San Manuel Bueno Martir" (1933)
Robert Musil (Austria): "The Man Without Qualities" (1933)
Karel Capek (Czech): "An Ordinary Life" (1934)
Elias Canetti (Germany): "Auto Da Fe" (1935)
Flann O'Brien (Ireland): "At Swim-two-birds" (1939)
Joseph Roth (Austria): "The Legend of the Holy Drinker" (1939)
Mikhail Bulgakov (Russia): "The Master and Margarita" (1940)
Albert Camus (France): "The Stranger" (1942)
Hermann Broch (Austria): "The Death of Virgil" (1945)
Julien Gracq (France): "A Dark Stranger" (1945)
Malcolm Lowry (Britain): "Under the Volcano" (1947)
Tanizaki Junichiro (Japan): "Makioka Sisters" (1948)
Cesare Pavese (Italy): "The Moon and the Bonfires" (1950)
Alejo Carpentier (Cuba): "The Lost Steps" (1953)
Rafael Sanchez-Ferlosio (Spain): "The River El Jarama" (1955)
William Gaddis (USA): "The Recognitions" (1955)
Elsa Morante (Italy): "Arthur's Island" (1957)
Patrick White (Australia): "Voss" (1957)
Augusto Roa-Bastos (Paraguay): "Son of Man" (1959)
Wilson Harris (Guyana): "Palace of the Peacock" (1960)
Ernesto Sabato (Argentina): "Of Heroes and Tombs" (1961)
Hugo Claus (Belgium): "Amazement" (1962)
Beppe Fenoglio (Italy): "A Private Question" (1963)
CarloEmilio Gadda (Italy): "Acquainted with Grief" (1963)
Ismail Kadare (Albania): "The General of the Dead Army" (1963)
Janet Frame (New Zealand): "Scented Gardens For The Blind" (1963)
Julio Cortazar (Argentina): "Hopscotch" (1963)
Carlos Fuentes (Mexico): "The Death of Artemio Cruz" (1964)
Saul Bellow (USA): "Herzog" (1964)
John Barth (USA): "Giles Goat Boy" (1966)
Jose Lezama-Lima (Cuba): "Paradise" (1966)
Mario Vargas-Llosa (Peru): "The Green House" (1966)
Miguel Delibes (Spain): "Five Hours with Mario" (1966)
Gabriel Garcia-Marquez (Colombia): "One Hundred Years of Solitude" (1967)
Milan Kundera (Czech): "The Joke" (1967)
Thomas Bernhard (Austria): "Gargoyles" (1967)
Vladimir Nabokov (Russia): "Ada" (1969)
Michel Tournier (France): "The Ogre" (1970)
Danilo Kis (Serbia): "Hourglass" (1972)
Thomas Pynchon (USA): "Gravity's Rainbow" (1973)
Andreas Embirikos (Greece): "The Great Eastern" (1975)
Imre Kertesz (Hungary): "Fateless" (1975)
Juan Goytisolo (Spain): "Juan the Landless" (1975)
Sasha Sokolov (Canada): "School For Fools" (1976)
Barbara Pym (Britain): "Quartet in Autumn" (1977)
Josef Skvorecky (Czech): "The Engineer of Human Souls" (1977)
Georges Perec (France): "La Vie Mode d'Emploi/ A User's Manual" (1978)
Cormac McCarthy (USA): "Suttree" (1979)
Italo Calvino (Italy): "If On a Winter's Night a Traveler" (1979)
Nadine Gordimer (South Africa): "Burger's Daughter" (1979)
Salman Rushdie (India): "Midnight's Children" (1980)
Elfriede Jelinek (Germany): "Die Ausgesperrten/ Wonderful Times" (1980)
German Espinosa (Colombia): "The Weaver of Crowns" (1982)
Uwe Johnson (Germany): "Jahrestage/ Anniversaries" (1983)
Jose Saramago (Portugal): "The Year of the Death of Ricardo Reis" (1984)
Mahmud Dowlatabadi (Iran): "Kelidar" (1984)
Murakami Haruki (Japan): "Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World" (1985)
Laszlo Krasznahorkai (1954): "Satantango" (1985)
Peer Hultberg (Denmark): "Requiem" (1985)
Peter Nadas (1942): "Emlekiratok Konyve/ Book of Memoirs" (1986)
Joseph McElroy (USA): "Women and Men" (1987)
Milorad Pavic (Serbia): "Dictionary of the Khazars" (1988)
Gao Xingjian/Xingjian (China): "Soul Mountain" (1989)
Antonia Byatt (Britain): "Possession" (1990)
Agustina Bessa-Luis (Portugal): "Abraham's Valley" (1991)
>>9033756
>Only one novel per writer
Why do people do this.
From this point on, it is very tentative. I write ++ where I am sure)
Su Tong (China, 1963): "Wives and Concubines" (1990)
Abraham Yehoshua (Hebrew, 1936): "Mar Manni/ Mr Mani" (1990)
Dacia Maraini (1936): "La Lunga Vita Di Marianna Ucria" (1990)
Imre Kertesz (1929): "Kaddis a Meg Nem Szuletetett Gyermekert/ Kaddish for a Child not Born" (1990)
Jane Smiley (USA, 1950): "A Thousand Acres" (1991)
George Cusnarencu (Romania, 1951): "Dodecaedru" (1991)
Michael Ondaatje (Canada, 1943): "The English Patient" (1992)
Daniela Hodrova (Czech, 1946): "Theta/ Masks" (1992)
Andrzej Zaniewski (Poland, 1940): "Szczur/ Rat" (1993)
Vikram Seth (India, 1952): "A Suitable Boy" (1993)
Yoko Tawada (1960): "Inu Muko Iri/ The Bridegroom Was a Dog" (1993)
Cesar Aira (Argentina): "Como me Hice Monja/ How I Became a Nun" (1993)
Amin Maalouf (1949): "Le Rocher de Tanios" (1993)
Peer Hultberg (Denmark, 1935): "Byen Og Verden/ The City and the World" (1993)
Vikram Seth (India, 1952): "A Suitable Boy" (1993)
Antonio Tabucchi (1943): "Sostiene Pereira" (1994)
Vasily Aksjonov or Aksenov (Russia, 1932): "Moskovskaja Saga/ Generations of Winter" (1994)
Liudmila Petrushevskaia (Russia, 1938): "The Time: Night" (1994)
Jachym Topol (Czech, 1962): "Sestra/ Sister" (1994)
Herta Mueller (1953): "Herztier/ Hearteater/ The Land of Green Plums" (1994)
Almudena Grandes (Spain, 1960): "Malena es un Nombre de Tango" (1994)
Winfried Georg Sebald (1944): "Die Ringe des Saturn" (1995)
Andrei Makine (1957): "Le Testament Francais" (1995)
Jon Fosse (Norway, 1959): "Melancholia I" (1995)
Kazuo Ishiguro (Britain, 1954): "The Unconsoled" (1995)
Assia Djebar (1936): "Vaste Est la Prison" (1995)
Jon Fosse (Norway, 1959): "Melancholia I" (1995)
Alessandro Baricco (1958): "Seta " (1996)
David Foster Wallace (USA, 1962): "Infinite Jest" (1996)
Olga Tokarczuk (Poland, 1962): "Prawiek i Inne Czasy/ Primeval and Other Times" (1996)
Mircea Nedelciu (1950): "Tratament Fabulatoriu/ "Confambulatory Treatment" (1996)
Don DeLillo (USA): "Underworld" (1997) ++
Pal Zavada (1954): "Jadviga Parnaja/ Jadviga's Pillow" (1997)
Elfriede Jelinek (1946): "Die Kinder der Toten" (1997)
Arundhati Roy (India, 1961): "God of Small Things" (1997)
Ian McEwan (Britain, 1948): "Amsterdam" (1998)
Ingo Schulze (1962): "Simple Storys" (1998)
Xiaobin Xu (China, 1953): "Feathered Serpent" (1998)
Lidia Jorge (Portugal, 1946): "O Vale da Paixao" (1998)
Per-Olov Enquist (Sweden, 1934): "Livlakarens Besok/ The Royal Physician's Visit" (1999)
Antonio Skarmenta (Chile, 1940): "La Boda del Poeta" (1999)
Rhea Galanaki (1947): "Eleni io Kanenas/ Eleni or Nobody" (1999)
openers?
i feel mine is a little clunky
what about you guyses
>>9033738
I always liked white noises opening (ignore the annotations)
>>9033781
die
>>9033786
Someone never went to college
What is the origin of this meme? Seriously, it seems like every time I find a Russian novel I want to read it turns out to be >700p. Is "editor" not a profession in Russia or something?
git gud
>wants to read
>doesn't want to read THAT much
pleb
>>9033704
sounds like YA is more up your alley, check out /r books! :^)
>there was no rice and no potatoes
>there were no rice and no potatoes
well, /lit/? Which is it?
>>9033616
was if it's indicative, were if subjunctive
wasn't
don't make a thread for such a stupid question, even as bait. it's a waste of space.
Does /lit/ like Ishiguro? what's your favorite of his books?
The Buried Giant was sort of interesting in style and set-up...but it never really got going for me. Never Let Me Go is nice.
Remains of the Day is a perfect book. Funny, devastating, and very very very highly recommended.
An Artist of the Floating World and The Unconsoled are also excellent.
>>9033584
loved remains of the day.
meh towards nocturnes.
Hey /lit/, I've been struggling with the idea of how nature is so ordered and balanced but the human mind or consciousness can get out of balance resulting in "evil". I guess I don't really know what my question is, but do you have any recommendations for this kind of thought.
>>9033486
Nature is ordered and balanced because some animals eat other baby animals to keep populations in check. There's nothing good about it.
Evil is a construct.
>>9033486
>how nature is so ordered and balanced
It's not. Nature is chaotic and fucking terrifying. Next thread.
I'm writing poetry for my wife and have writers block and can't put how I feel into words. Anyone have love poems they've written for inspiration?
That's a stupid fucking tattoo. Well done, but fucking stupid.
Anyways, write from your heart man. If you loved her enough to marry her then I am sure you can find words to describe how you feel when she enters a room or when you see her for the first time in a while.
I know the "just bee yourself ;^)" meme isn't much help, but in my opinion writing for the heart is the best.
>>9033459
I guarantee you your wife is sick of pretending to like your poems and you'll both be happier if you put a stop to this charade
I do write from the heart and like I said, just need some inspiration . Plus I like to read other people's work.
Why are there so many black and white pictures of old white guys on this board?
Because the old white guys were too pleb to have portrait painting done of them.
>>9033450
Write something then, Shaniqua.
black people don't show up in black in white photos
Why doesn't our friend Sebald get much attention here?
All knowledge is enveloped in darkness. What we perceive are no more than isolated lights in the abyss of ignorance, in the shadow filled edifice of the world.
...a mighty oak, a sow, a sausage, a piece of excrement, a field of clover, a white flower, a mulberry tree, a silk carpet. Much as in this continuous process of consuming and being consumed, nothing endures...On every new thing, there lies already the shadow of annihilation. For the history of every individual, of every social order, indeed of the whole world, does not describe an ever widening, more and more wonderful arc, but rather follows a course which, once the meridian is reached, leads without fail down into the dark.
>>9033372
Not memey enough.
He's incredible. Along with Coetzee and Bolano, one of the three most important writers of the last 25 years. And I sat that while basically ignoring the Emigrants and parts of Austerlitz. It's a pity that both of them - despite their style - end up essentially being apologies for the Holocaust, boring.
>>9033507
I agree with you on Austerlitz (I haven't read Emigrants yet). It was good, though at the same time frustating... Vertigo and Rings of Saturn are way better.