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Anybody ever read a good book about grapes?
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>>9040448
Nope, I'm more of a banana guy myself, read mainly Pynchon.
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>>9040448
grapes of wrath

they were pretty mad grapes
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>>9040455
Aint no grapes there except conceptual ones. I'm talking down right honest to goodness GRAPES.

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January is almost over. Post how many books you've read so far this year, which you liked, and which you didn't.
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>>9040413
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read 300 pages of ulyssess and it was boring as fuck. so now I'm reading ancient history by mcelroy and it's really good.
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I've read 8, having started a couple in December

>Great
The Heart is a Lonely Hunter, by Carson McCullers
Dubliners. By James Joyce
Love in the Time of Cholera, by Gabriel García Márquez

>Good
Murphy, by Samuel Beckett
War & Peace, by Leo Tolstoy

>Okay
The Story of the Night, by Colm Tóibín
Thérèse Raquin, by Émile Zola
London Triptych, by Jonathan Kemp
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>>9040413

I've read 9, and I'm reading Enough rope by Dorothy Parker White Buildings by Hart Crane and The Piano Teacher by Elfriede Jelinek, will probably finish them in early february

>great

J.G.Ballard – Crash
Harlan Ellison – I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
The Epic of Gilgamesh
James Baldwin – Giovanni’s Room
Alexander Pope – An Essay on Criticism
Anne Sexton – To Bedlam and Part Way Back
Kurt Vonnegut – Slaughterhouse Five

>okay

Haruki Murakami - Hear the Wind Sing
Haruki Murakami – Pinball, 1973

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What can you tell about me by my modest economy/politics and philosophy shelf?

What other books in those areas are must-reads for wholesome young adults?
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well i can tell youre a shit poster and in need of some of validation but thats about it
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>>9038501
I can tell you probably didn't understand or read Kant, I can also tell that you have a very weak grounding in philosophy.
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>>9038501
>What can you tell about me by my modest economy/politics and philosophy shelf?
You know very little about these subjects, lack any proper training in them, and are very insecure, needing approval and looking for a place to fit in.

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>Love cyberpunk aesthetic and themes
>Decide to get into the cyberpunk genre
>They're are literally only about 10 notable cyberpunk books
>Only one of them is actually good
>It isn't even that good

What are some other genres that you love in theory but that don't actually have anything worth reading?
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>yfw cyborg studies as an academic discipline is founded in feminism, queer theory, socialism, and disability studies

Read "The Cyborg Manifesto"
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Write the new benchmark for cyber punk
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>they're going to make a shitty reboot of this movie because muh shekels

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Just finished pic related and am looking to you guys for advice on where to go next. For what it's worth, I've already read Confession & Other Religious Writings as well as most all of Tolstoy's fiction based around religious morals. Looking to branch out from Tolstoy into other similar thinkers.

Also ITT, discuss Tolstoy's message in this book if you've read it/are familiar with it. I'm interested to see /lit/'s opinion. Personally I'm mostly in agreement with it except for a few small things. My biggest issue, which may just come from only recently getting into Christian philosophy, is that it seems true to me but I can't seem to fully accept it.

Tolstoy uses the analogy in pic related that once a man is exposed to the Christian truth, he is like a horse among a few other horses driving a cart forward. Man can either walk forward with the other horses by accepting Christian truth and thereby living in accordance with his conscience, or he can question the truth and be trampled by/dragged behind the cart while the other horses move forward without him.

I feel stuck being dragged behind the cart, unable to force myself back into line with the other horses in a forward march. Part of this stems from a thought I had that while the analogy of the horse and the cart is fitting, perhaps the horse can free himself from the reigns and live just as happily as he would walking forward while still attached.

Tolstoy doesn't seem to explicitly recognize the divinity/mystic aspects of Christianity, so beyond torment during life I'm not sure what his argument for the downside of this would be besides the possibility of God's judgement after death.

Thoughts, /lit/?
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>>9037132
muh nonviolent resistance
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Did he believe in an omnipotent, prayer-answering, god? Did he believe in the trinity? Transubstantiation?

Everyone creates their own form of Christianity and then proclaims it to be The Right Way to Live. The horse-and-cart analogy only works if you believe that whatever it was Tolstoy happened to believe is The Right Way to Live. Otherwise you could argue that your version is the right one, and Tolstoy was the one being dragged. It's not an argument.

I have not read all of Tolstoy's works, but I don't believe he had all the answers. His religious works and views are not that popular and I think that's telling about his persuasiveness.
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>>9037132
>>9039006
He is pretty fucking clear. Yes you have to live a Christian life re:dogma.

But if you are doing so, and then giving legitimacy towards a state or religion (theocrats in the US, the Orthodox authority in imperial russia) that promotes violence or stands against the precepts set on the sermon on the mount, you are at worst a hypocrite, and at best not fulfilling the instructions of Christ.

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How can I get better in academic writing?

Out of all the kinds of writing, this is probably the worst. So boring. Wish I could take creative writing or something.
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>>9035781
Read any sentence in your text and ask the question "so what?". If that question is not answered, or answered unclearly or too far away in the text, then your text is not cohesive enough. Answer it.
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>>9035781
Most important thing is to know exactly what you want to say (and stick to it). Nearly everyone of my fellow students writes like shit because they don't know what they want to say. Then all you have to do is figure out how to make your point, which you'll probably know by now since you know what you want to say. Treat your sentences as building blocks with which you make your argument, using >>9036311 as a strategy. In this process, use standard sentence structures and transition words, both of which actually do all the work for you. It's not that difficult, certainly not as difficult as writing literature.
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>>9036311
>>9036419
any examples of good academic writing?

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(bearing in mind philosophy isn't a strong point of mine) am I correct in my reading that Buddha's idea of there being no "self" follows a type of Hegelian/dialectical logic?

I.e. Everything in the universe exists in a constant state of motion wherein they are constantly interacting with and shaping (and being shaped by) everything else. Therefore there are no fixed "things" be they animals, ideas or even one's self because all of these things are constantly changing in reaction to outside stimuli.

Am I on the right track or am I completely misreading it?
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>>9034896
You're largely correct in your reading of Buddha but I don't see any correspondence there with Hegel
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>>9034902
>get my reading of buddha right
>fuck up with Hegel
fuck.

idk, maybe my explanation only lines up with materialist dialectics. iirc it's basically identical to the argument Trotsky puts forth with his idea of A only being equal to A provided A doesn't actually "exist".
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Your "everything flows" way of putting it just amounts to something evident in my ears. Yes, there is time and changing things are different at different times. It this sense notions like "self" and "me" are just linguistic tools to capture phenomena.
I don't need to consider ties to Buddha, Hegel, Stirner, Heidegger or anything to say this checks out.

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What's the title of your novel?
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>>9034180
I'd tell you but it's theft-worthy
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I figure my editor will make a strong suggestion
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>>9034180
love, adornment and the things I will never understand.

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Could you recommend some Muslim literature?

I'm tired of people saying immigrants don't contribute.
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>>9033431
Don't respond to them, just report the trash.
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Reza Nagarestani - Cyclonopedia
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>>9033415
The (You)baiyat of Omar Khayyam

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/lit/, does anyone have a source to get a good grasp about philosophy of logic?

I recently became interested in analytic philosophy for logic and phil. of language and then realized there are things like defeasible reasoning which made me realize I don't know shit about logic at all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeasible_reasoning

I'm already getting into the beginnings of predicate logic and frege's sense and reference, but still, it would be nice to have an idea of how big this field is and where it goes.
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>>9030593

- look at kripke and work your way backwards for more contemporary stuff.
- vienna circle and logical positivism

and of course, wittgenstein.
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>tfw no philosopher of logic wife
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>>9030831
this.

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Stack thread/recent purchases.

R8, B8, H8, appreci8 your m8s.
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Lads how high should I let this stack get?
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>>9029016
You should get a book shelf, stack it on top of the books and then fill the shelf with more books.
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>>9029031
lol that's retarded. all my shelves are filled and I'm lazy to get a new one.

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Is there any good /lit/ written in defence/support of fascism?
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>>9023102
Nope.
Now fuck off.
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>>9023102
Giovanni of course. Evola doesn't support it perse but he's pretty close.
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>>9023102
W. B. Yeats.

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It says here you haven't read The Tunnel. Care to explain, anon?
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>>9045987
I don't succumb to shitposting on /lit/.
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>>9045987
because I'm reading the superior american prose stylist Joseph Mcelroy.
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>>9045987
because Dalkey still won't reprint their shit. COME ON GUYS. AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, GIMME TAKE FIVE.

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I literally slammed this book shut in furry after trying to read the first couple pages. The writing style is incomprehensible.
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> furry
What exactly is your writing style?
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It's not great. Not terribly surreal either. His surrealist manifesto is too specific and ideological to accurately define the characteristics or motivations of the movement too. Breton strikes me as more of a hanger on than a serious artist.
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>>9045834
It's surrealism. Did you buy it expecting a simple, easy novel? Do you not research books or authors before buying them?

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why is Shelley's poem more famous than Horace Smith's version?
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ironic.............isint it
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because its better?
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>>9045528
This.
Shelley's poem is better and Shelley is an overall better (and better known) poet.

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