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I just got this book. What am I in for?
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Gainz

Just dont eat too much and youll get big. Inb4 some dyel chimes in about trex mode. Just add in a little bit more upper body volume
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Haven't written anything for a while and decided to limit myself to under 100 words to get re-started. Looking for any feedback.

“In vino, veritas.” That was her favourite saying. Probably because it simultaneously allowed her to sound sophisticated and self-manage an underlying issue. It didn’t matter to me. The radiant, beautiful smile that beamed from her face every time she said it blinded me to the truth. It was me.

She was convinced she could ‘save,’ me. She once told me that putting my feelings down on paper would help with the low moods.

So I sat, wanting to write exactly how I felt, but the paper stayed empty.

I don’t think I could have written better.
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can anyone post some infographics on how to commit suicide
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Your paper should have stayed empty too, OP.

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How do you break through? Especially after a long hiatus from it. Little writing exercises? Brain storming? Finding inspiring material?
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>>9048788
go experience something fucked up that completely removes your sense of who you once were.
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>>9048788
Bring some variety into your routine.
try freewriting
change the setting: move from your desk to another room, to a cafe, a library,
change the medium: try writing some passages by hand, with a different pen or pencil, on different paper, stained napkins, etc.
get creative
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It's a meme. Stop being lazy and start writing you hack.

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I hear a lot about Wolfe's prose, with many of the detractors voicing insubstantial complaints. Most of them sound like pseuds who haven't read him, other than what's posted on /lit/.

For the sake of discussion, here's a passage from New Sun that epitomizes the gothic aspect of its narrative:
>The necropolis has never seemed a city of death to me; I know its purple roses (which other people think so hideous) shelter hundreds of small animals and birds. The executions I have seen performed and have performed myself so often are no more than a trade, a butchery of human beings who are for the most part less innocent and less valuable than cattle. When I think of my own death, or of the death of someone who has been kind to me, or even of the death of the sun, the image that comes to my mind is that of the nenuphar, with its glossy, pale leaves and azure flower. Under flower and leaves are black roots as fine and strong as hair, reaching down into the dark waters.

Fellow anons and shitposters, what's your impression of Wolfe's prose?
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Yeah so while you're caught up in prose you're missing a research opportunity. The nenuphar is more commonly known as a water lily, the blue/purple kind is called Nymphaea caerulea, or Egyptian blue lotus. It has psychoactive properties and was used by Ancient Egyptians and the Maya.

Why is this important? Why does the necropolis have a pool of water and flowering lilies? Well, in Egyptian mythology, the blue lily represents (get this) the Sun, because it's closed at night and opens during the day. In fact, certain mythological sources say that Ra (the supreme diety and sun god) created the world by rising from the primordial waters beneath the lily, much like how Severian emerges from the pool of nenuphars, having 'died,' and returning to bring the New Sun.
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>>9048801
In addition, the lily is represented frequently in Egyptian art and hieroglyphics, and represents in that instance the passage to the afterlife.
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*stifles a yawn*

Remember, /lit/, a "novel" is not just any long work of prose. Rather, a novel is a specific type of work with specific conceits that evolved from the romances of the Middle Ages and was refined over the 17th, 18th, and especially the 19th centuries.

The novel's chief conceit is realism and the self. That is, it is concerned with the individual in the ordinary rhythms of life. Sometimes this takes the form of being realistic about things themselves, as in direct, clear narration; sometimes this takes the form of being realistic about how humans know things, as in experimental styles such as stream of consciousness.

But a novel is always "realistic," or, at least, realistic in a materialist sense. So your 100,000 word fantasy masterpiece is not a novel.
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What kind of person spends so much time pondering on the meaning of a word?

Who cares if a novel has to be this or that. It just is.
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>light is an electromagnetic wave
>light is an electromagnetic wave comprised of frequencies in the humanly recognizable range

If your thread is merely about two concepts that historically have overlapping signs/names, then it was not worth making a thread about it
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>>9048715
So what is it? A novella? A dithyramb?

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Sup cunts

Which should I read first

>the portable atheist: essential readings for the nonbeliever

>god is not great: how religion poisons everything

Have you read either of those books and which should one read first?

I've never read a christopher hitchens book before
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What's the point?
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Hitchens strove all his life to be like George Orwell. And, just like Orwell, his journalistic, historical work is brilliant, and everything else is rubbish.

Just read his articles and columns.
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>>9048714
The cracks in Christianity don't really start to appear unless you've started with the presocratics then read your way up to the (untranslated) Septuagint

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hey /lit/ recommend me a book on the artistic (expecially painting) movments of the 20th century.
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The Story of Art
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>>9048894
This
Gombrich clearly hates non figurative art but he taught me how to look at it nonetheless.

Shock of the new is also a good one

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I have never read a single book with any real literary merit in my life. Recommend me some non-fiction.
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>Nonfiction
>Literary merit
:^)
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START WITH THE GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen here.

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I have read a considerate amount of philosophy, but I find it difficult to grasp Kant and Hegel. Heidegger is the one I struggle with the most (mainly Being and Time, it sounds like complete blabbery. After reading five pages all I could understand was "oh, so in this book he'll talk about how the problem of being was forgotten in philosophy and we need to reanalyze it". Even worse, my version didn't have any translation of the greek phrases.)

Is there any good (and I mean good) podcasts/videos on Kant, Hegel and Heidegger? Enough to make their books easier?
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I don't know anything about podcasts and videos because I was taught philosophy by a real professor but here's a hint: the reason why Heidegger is so complicated and jargon-y is because he's trying to avoid all of the Cartesian problems (mind/body dichotomy, how individuals interact with the world, etc) while still talking about humans in the world
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you can find Hubert Dreyfus's Heidegger lectures on Youtube, so that's a good starting point. If you're looking for a book, the Cambridge Companion to Heidegger is excellent as well.

As long as you don't dismiss Heidy outright, then he's one of the most rewarding philosophers. The jargon is daunting at first, but once you understand what he's going for it's easy to get acquainted with all the terms. Remember, Being and Time is a systematic work. Every term is introduced and explained somewhere, so whenever you see him define a new term, make a note in the margins so you can easily refer back to it. He's not trying to confuse you, but he's trusting that you slowly follow him along as he builds new concepts until you can intuit the system of perception that he's trying to describe.
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>>9048620
Heidegger is like a snapping crab, who says something profound then backs off snapping at you. Professional philosophers also find him opaque. Still, his philosophy is genius.

There's like a billion resources on Kant. Make sure you have the blue Cambridge edition, read slowly and google stuff you don't get.

Hegel is, well, if you really want to understand the Phenomenology of Spirit, try Gregory Sadler's reading of it on Youtube.

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Something is up with this board. It moves even slower than usual and half of the topics are barely concealed political bullshit. I though /lit/ was better than falling for this neckbeard egalitarian bullshit. We're beyond saving. So what are some /lit/ alternatives to discuss literature and philosophy?
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i dont know about you, random anon that isnt op, but this thread is pretty emberassing amirite
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what does /p9k/ shitting up /lit/ with frogs have to do with egalitarism
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>>9048595
make good threads

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I just saw Arrival and this movie makes me want to read
1) some books that play with the concept of time
2) books that deal with miscommunication like in Lem's Solaris.

Any ideas?
No lowbrow science fiction crap please, I have an IQ of 140.
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>>9048546
Well you could read the short story it's based off of, or Slaughterhouse 5 which people say the short story/film ripped off.
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Have you tried Solaris by stanislaw lem
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>>9048576
Yes.

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Thoughts?
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It's cool until the shitty ending, just like every other PKD book
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>>9048559
he is a literal
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>dick
hehe

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I've been making the Magic the Gathering books into audio books. I'm getting better as I go along but I do need to know what you all think.
https://youtu.be/FoVY7mivPlE
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I picked up a Magic novel once and I think it was an extremely serious contender for the worst book I've ever read. It was almost impressively bad.
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What kind of tin can do you use?
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>>9048834
absolute classic

This is the prologue of my new novel. What do you guys think?

“HERESY,” HE TOLD ME. THE BRACKISH WATERS OF HIS POOL SLOSHED GENTLY.

“Another one?” I said wearily. “There are so many these days.”

My Lord Commander was displeased by that comment. He shifted position heavily, sending ripples up and down the pool. One broke over the side, and a sheet of water slid across the tiles of the receiving chamber. My boots were soaked yet again. I accepted that philosophically. I had worn my worst boots, well aware that wet feet are among the inescapable consequences of paying a call on Torgathon Nine-Klariis Tûn, elder of the ka-Thane people, and also Archbishop of Vess, Most Holy Father of the Four Vows, Grand Inquisitor of the Order Militant of the Knights of Jesus Christ, and counselor to His Holiness, Pope Daryn XXI of New Rome.

“Be there as many heresies as stars in the sky, each single one is no less dangerous, Father,” the Archbishop said solemnly. “As Knights of Christ, it is our ordained task to fight them one and all. And I must add that this new heresy is particularly foul.”

“Yes, my Lord Commander,” I replied. “I did not intend to make light of it. You have my apologies. The mission to Finnegan was most taxing. I had hoped to ask you for a leave of absence from my duties. I need rest, a time for thought and restoration.”

“Rest?” The Archbishop moved again in his pool; only a slight shift of his immense bulk, but it was enough to send a fresh sheet of water across the floor. His black, pupilless eyes blinked at me. “No, Father, I am afraid that is out of the question. Your skills and your experience are vital to this new mission.” His bass tones seemed then to soften somewhat. “I have not had time to go over your reports on Finnegan,” he said. “How did your work go?”

“Badly,” I told him, “though I think that ultimately we will prevail. The Church is strong on Finnegan. When our attempts at reconciliation were rebuffed, I put some standards into the right hands, and we were able to shut down the heretics’ newspaper and broadcast facilities. Our friends also saw to it that their legal actions came to nothing.”

“That is not badly,” the Archbishop said. “You won a considerable victory for the Lord.”

“There were riots, my Lord Commander,” I said. “More than a hundred of the heretics were killed, and a dozen of our own people. I fear there will be more violence before the matter is finished. Our priests are attacked if they so much as enter the city where the heresy has taken root. Their leaders risk their lives if they leave that city. I had hoped to avoid such hatreds, such bloodshed.”

“Commendable, but not realistic,” said Archbishop Torgathon. He blinked at me again, and I remembered that among people of his race, that was a sign of impatience. “The blood of martyrs must sometimes be spilled, and the blood of heretics as well. What matters it if a being surrenders his life, so long as his soul is saved?”
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>"I had worn my worst boots, well aware that wet feet are among the inescapable consequences of paying a call on Torgathon Nine-Klariis Tûn, elder of the ka-Thane people, and also Archbishop of Vess, Most Holy Father of the Four Vows, Grand Inquisitor of the Order Militant of the Knights of Jesus Christ, and counselor to His Holiness, Pope Daryn XXI of New Rome."
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if you're going high fantasy, you might as well use a different religion, too.
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>>9048317
Overuses adverbs. You're bad at writing. Stop and never try again.

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How do we define "love"?

More specifically, how do we define "romantic love"?

To me, love is to want and to devote yourself to make someone be happy, or something among those lines.
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Is romantic love actually real? I've never felt anything the like and I'm kinda worried desu.
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>>9048316
>More specifically, how do we define "romantic love"?
Welcome to the fucking 19th century. Holy shit does anyone of this board actually read books?
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Read love and eroticism by octavio paz. Literatura literally created love as we know it today. Unfortunately 'love' in modern times is due for a revision, lest we acknowledge nihilism, i.e. the increasingly less need for a concept such as love. Also note that acknowledging this is not the same as condoning it.

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