How hard is it to become good at poetry? Is it a talent only thing? It seems extremely esoteric to me.
I'd like to do it for two reasons: captivating women, and putting my own thoughts and experiences into another artistic medium (I'm already an artist).
>>9093923
start with the greeks by reading my diary
>>9093923
DICHTEN = CONDENSARE
Whether it is good
Depends on personal tastes
Which are oft unique
>get eloquent as fuck
>throw in a dash of luck
>find niche/snag it
>don't be a faggot
And maybe just try not to suck
Alliterative couplets, free verse or prose
Littered with laments, wailing and woes
For Baltimore's Edgar did prove a success
But now he's a Goth meme, alas, I digress
Who is the best prose author and why was it this man?
>>9093704
he's great, one of the best ever, but he doesn't exist without joyce.
>>9093704
you already know why
Shit's otherworldly in terns of aesthetic appeal and sheer perfection. He just nails every word. Every word hits.
>>9093707
And Joyce doesn't exist without Homer. What's your point?
Asking here because you guys seems like one of the smarter boards - will immersing myself in philosophy, politics and religion really bring meaning to my life, or will I just become a smarter miserable person? I feel like I could meme myself into being a socialist pretty easily. Also stoicism sounds interesting.
Generally speaking yes, but all the knowledge in the world is meaningless if you aren't mindful and self-aware.
>>9093574
>I feel like I could meme myself into being a socialist pretty easily
don't
Also not every single person is the same, so it makes no sense asking into the anonymous ether of /lit/ how your personal experience reading philosophy, politics, and religion will be like when we don't even know you and cannot predict the future.
Stop making excuses and start reading. Or don't.
>>9093574
It won't bring meaning but at least you'll be able to see through enormous amounts of bullshit lurking everywhere. You won't gain anything though if you're just looking to attach yourself to some group whose membership requirement is some arbitrary list of texts. Becoming truly educated is a long and lonely path and beginning can be dizzying. Look at the lit wiki and start building a balanced library. Good luck.
P.S. You don't read the stoics to get smarter
/lit/ memed me into reading this. I have a question though: aren't people who use the three bookmark method complete pseuds?
Like, before I read the book, I heard that the preferred method of reading it was three bookmarks, one for where you are in main text, one for footnotes, and one for page 223. But now that I'm passed page 223, it seems like that's just an excuse for someone to cram another bookmark into their Infinite Jest to make it seem like a special, life-changingly unique novel. DFW already expects you to remember a ton of little details, is it really that hard to just read the years and remember their order?
>>9093495
who the fuck cares?
My god, I can't believe people are actually emotionally invested in pointless shit like this
also currently reading it - pg 550 or so; desu not making a huge point about remembering the strict chronological order of years. It seems there is an intuitive sense of when certain things are happening based on context, plot, character backstory, etc.
>>9093495
In my first reading, I just mentally separated The first chapter as FUTURE (Year of Glad), the Year of the Depends Adult Undergarment as the PRESENT, and then just crammed all the other shit into the PAST.
And of course, the pre-subsidization years are easy enough.
>Jordan Peterson, a widely renowned professor at the University of Toronto, the best University in Canada, is an entry level pseud
>Nicholas Taleb, a trader who's made millions of dollars off the financial collapse of 2008, is an entry level pseud
>Ted Kaczynski, the youngest professor ever at UC Berkley, is an entry level pseud
>Steve Bannon, the guy behind the president of the strongest country on earth, is a fedora tipping pseud
All these views and more I've seen expressed on /lit/.
I have to ask, who's not a pseud? Because it seems like everyone is, regardless of credentials.
Also, who's your favorite living entry level pseudo intellectual? Mine's Roberto Calasso, although he's not discussed nearly enough on /lit/.
>>9093334
Why are people around here so eager to discuss works and people that they don't rate?
Nick Land.
I long to be extirpated from my flesh. God is a virus and when I'm finished building Him He'll shed me.
>the University of Toronto, the best University in Canada
(not true btw)
Waterloo, McGill, Queen's, UBC, etc.
>Works you've read
>Favorite work (and why)
>Where you rank him
>>9093286
OP here:
>Agapē Agape, A Frolic of His Own, Carpenter's Gothic, starting on JR over the Summer.
>Favorite so far was probably Agapē Agape. A really tight work for something as loose and stumbling as a deathbed monologue, and I just felt totally absorbed in his lesson of the death of art by replication, his insistence on something fundamental beyond the real both in its application to art and beyond that. I think it has such an effect on me precisely because it can be read in one sitting, and I can let Gaddis' prose wash over without having to take a break. All three have been great though, though I might rank A Frolic of His Own over Carpenter's Gothic.
>I almost feel compelled to rank him over Pynchon in terms of 20th century American writers, but I have yet to read Mason & Dixon, V., and his most recent novels, so I withhold that. At the very least on-par though, and those two seem to sit at the top for me. I'm hoping that the Gass-posters prove right and I enjoy him as much as I enjoy those two.
I'm 46% through The Recognitions. He's probably the smartest author that I've read. Him, Pynchon, Barth and Nabokov are top tier POMO as opposed to DeLillo, Ellis, Vonnegut.
>>9093393
Barth is great as well. Nabokov is a little harder to judge for me as the only work I've tried with him was Ada, but I found it a little too stuffy and sort of self-presenting for my tastes, at least on a first read. Definitely will circle back to him though, as he's obviously brilliant and worth reading.
I'm pretty sure I missed a lot of what happened in the subtext of the story. I was curious how everyone felt about The Book of the New sun and how the rest of the Solar Cycle + Urth.
>>9093166
>felt about The Book of the New Sun and the rest of the Solar Cycle + Urth
>>9093166
Is this difficult to read? Someone was going on about it on /a/ earlier and I came here. Sure enough there was already a thread.
>email my extremely /lit/erary friend about The New Sun
>tell him I like it
>he asks why, says he read it 20 years ago or something
>i send a modest paragraph saying what i think is cool about the storytelling
>he replies back like AHHH YES HOW THE SWORD IS BOTH MIRROR AND RAZOR, ACTION AND REACTION, WHICH IS A REFERENCE TO THE FOLLOWING SIXTEEN LITERARY TRADITIONS....
>like twenty instances of this
>makes me feel like a complete pleb
I don't even want to read anymore
It's like I watched a cinematic trailer of the Godfather video game on Youtube and he watched The Godfather with Coppola sitting next to him in the room
Hey /lit/, can you guys point me towards short stories written in the first person point of view where they don't use "I" or any forms of it.
Pointers on how to do it would be nice too
>>9093136
lol what
Uhhh maybe M.R. James or Lovecraft stories where the narrator is clearly some dude other than the protagonist, in possession of the protagonist's memoirs/notes/story, but rarely talks about himself directly?
>>9093142
Assignment criteria.
I love it to read book
Which book you love to read it?
>>9093138
Love it to read a the Thomas Pynchon
Hello, friend. Professor William H. Gass here. I'm glad that you enjoy reading! It is becoming rarer and rarer these days. I hope you will consider reading my books.
I enjoyed this very much. It felt very emotional on the moments. For example when Siddharta made the connection between him and his son and him and his dad.
This is pretty new to me since so far I only read Dostoyevski and some books in my language (Serbian) so I want you to tell me is there something I should be gathering from this book?
>>9093099
narcissus and goldmund is better. Read that. Siddhartha is reddit tier.
it's not reddit-tier by the way
>>9093148
I will remember to read it, I think I'll read something else before another book by Hesse.
Am I a pseud? 19 year old biochemistry student
>>9093040
The Story of Philosophy is garbage and the other two are translations. So yes.
>>9093040
>posts on /lit/
yes
>>9093047
>The Story of Philosophy is garbage
Is there something better out there?
>an historical
>ahistorical
>historical
>ιστοριkός
Outside of African American literature, is there another example of a significant minority literature movements in other countries? Something like Muslim literature in India, or African-Japanese literature?
>>9092940
Miguel Barnet - Biografía de un cimarrón (no idea if there's a translation, look it up).
Alcides Arguedas - Raza de bronce (this one it's not good, but's important for indigenous literature in South America).
>>9092955
Miguel Barnet - Biography of a runaway slave (it's available on amazon)
There are Indígena writers and poets in Mexico, both female and male. I haven't read any of them yet, but I want to. I do know that most write in their native language and not Spanish, but their work ends up being translated into Spanish anyway.
Triggered?
Are you.......triggered?
Does this.............
........trigger you?
>>9092881
I do that all the time
>>9092881
Kill youself, scum
What's the defining steampunk work? What's like the genre's Neuromancer or Star Trek?
Jules Verne
The Difference Engine, also written by William Gibson.
Have a copy of that but haven't delved into it yet. What did you guys think of it?
Steampunk was Reddit before Reddit existed. It's a cosplay meme for dilettantes. Anyone who likes steampunk should be killed in real life.