Most of you are probably aware by now, but in case you aren't, /lit/'s most ambitious collaborative writing project is currently underway.
Want to be involved? It's easy, just read over the basic premise (found in the posts below) and jump into one of the Google Docs to start contributing.
Because of the inherent complexity of the project, there are three (3) Google Docs currently running
The first is the Planning Doc, where all of the planning (whether it's coming up with character names, chapter arcs, potential titles, themes, styles, cover art, etc) for the main sections of the novel will occur:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mRH7rfS21WKMPzLEDMxcRtnB38rpkraTgL4dOKBlJIo/edit?usp=sharing
The second is the Writing Doc, where you can submit prose for any chapter. It is worth noting that each main chapter has a vague premise, so the writing here is not completely free form. Chapters will periodically be added to this doc and become available for contribution, as the details for each chapter are ironed out and agreed upon:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18qUc-Q9RwgUnfu30W2mfa3FxosUMkSE0PVKKXBqrz1I/edit?usp=sharing
And finally, there is the Interludes and Appendices Doc. This is where if you can just put something down on the page, whether it's something you wrote three years ago and think it might fit somehow, or something you wanna write specifically for the project. The writing here is almost completely freeform, and need only be tangentially related to the rest of the text (more details given in the Doc itself). There is a place for both poetry and prose here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-cp4Avh4E2VYGLPdV1afZnKsZeY-2_GUVjqyRNeKFmE/edit
If you are having trouble understanding how this all works, which is very understandable, do not worry. In the posts below will be a quick, but detailed, rundown of the basic premise for the project. I would recommend ALL anons read through this rundown before contributing to either doc, to ensure that we are all on the same page.
Worth Noting:
- The current title (Pantheon) is just a working title. Title and cover art discussion is currently taking place in the planning doc
- Periodically, you may find that public editing is restricted. This will usually be because a pesky anon has been meddling with or mass deleting the document. During these times you can still edit and add comments, your edits will simply remain pending until approval. I will do my best to approve all edits as soon as possible during these times.
- Always feel free to post your contributions, criticisms, discussions and whatever else in the thread as well, if you don't feel like going straight to the documents
- And finally, if you have any questions or confusions about the project, do not hesitate to ask!
Last thread: >>9065364
Part 1/2 of the basic premise
(Please read before contributing!)
>>9102713
2/2
>>9102705
The premise sounds gay
This book is getting rave reviews and critics are calling it the best novel of the decade.
I hope the shit lives up to the hype.
Zettels Traum
>>9101814
Pynchon is a fan of saunders. That's all you need to know.
>>9101814
But is it actually good? I'm wary of anything that has "NYT bestseller" on the cover
>buy used book
>it's full of some pleb's notes
I live for this shit.
>Buy used book
>Pleb underlines some shit
>Underlines end after the fifth page
Every time
I write my phone number on high brow books that I borrow from the library. Get on my level.
That is harsh autism
Looking for advice from analytic philosophy connoisseurs.
I've been teaching philosophy for 15 years and never really read anything "analytic", just a little bit from Russell here and there, it sucked, and i'm pretty sure analytic philosophy in general sucks as much too.
But still. I wanna see, I wanna try. Looking for something *interesting* if possible. It doesn't have to be "true" or famous or anything else than interesting.
One thing that I can't stand is when they talk about "continental" philosophers that they never read or studied to begin with.
Obviously Wittgenstein and all the prereqs for him (basically Russell and Frege, do some research. you don't need to read a ton bu definitely familiarize yourself with the problems before jumping in to witty)
Then Saul Kripke
AJ Ayer
David Lewis
Tyler Burge
Idk man I kinda have the same issue, I find the issues that they deal with to be interesting but ultimately reach the conclusion that what ends up being established is either fairly obvious and doesn't require all of the obscure language and jargon or it just doesn't matter on the grand scheme of things. More contemporary metaphysics is fun to deal with but strikes me as mental masturbation and though enjoyable is ultimately just brain games. Philosophy of mind is applicable to psychology and neuroscience but as a layman it's the same deal as metaphysics in that regard. Phil of language is not fun for me, but really enhances my reading of poetry and is infinitely rewarding despite the pain of reading the primary texts.
>>9096325
check out ge moore.
>>9096565
Those philosophers I listed are the ones I find most interesting, though. There's a ton more that will naturally present themselves to you if you read those guys.
t. someone who got their undergrad in philosophy at an analytic-leaning school and dropped out of grad school while researching primarily Hume and Kant
What are some of the best books arguing for the existence of a Christian God?
Edward Feser's blog T B H
>>9083560
just accept that you have been fooled and move on. You know, like an adult
>>9083560
you'd think they could have straightened the cloth on that altar before taking the picture
Can /lit/ explain to me the appeal of psuedo-intellectuals like Sargon, Thinking Ape, Armoured Skeptic, Kevin Solway, etc...
Is it just catharsis?
Their line of thinking has been purged from academia so you don't end up with a lot of rigorous intellectuals when you go right of center.
Not appeal, agreement.
>>9108458
Did the lack of rigor come before or after being purged from academia?
All of their arguments and philosophy seem to be very emotionally charged, irrational, full of assumptions and fallacies, and the stuff that isn't is just regurgitated from greater men.
>knee-CHUH
>knee-CHAY
>>9108032
>knee-CHEE
>>9108032
how the fuck do you say it if not like these?
>>9108035
That's what it is right?
>tfw got caught up in the corinthians
>>9107917
>when you realise paul's on that agape trip because the corinthians are known for eros
>when you swtg and know they're literally synonymous with the word for "fucking"
>>9107917
pic is 2meirl
>>9107932
>when you realize that Paul isn't a faker at all, but is actually wise and good and probably really did encounter Christ
You're all bastards.
Can somebody help me?
I read someone once explaining Simone's position on the toleration of intolerance in a context at the time to oppose a published maniacal feminist tract. Would anybody here know which book of hers is most likely to examine these concepts?
Thanks,
Chris
>>9107841
>not showing simone from behind
You're a bastard.
Simone wasn't terribly tolerant. She said something like freedom is more important than happiness, and I'm pretty sure it was in her discussion of Muslim women. She was essentially trolled these women who had kept Islamic courts around because it gave them freedoms she didn't have as just as French subject were happy, so she assumed they must be less free (even though they had rights to property and access to divorce, which is essentially the only reasons she never married Sartre because she thought marriage would curtail her freedoms)
Beauvoir's kind of a shit. Not as bad as Sartre, but she's got nothing on Heidegger or even Arendt.
>>9107864
>in her discussion of Muslim women
Groan.
>>9107864
>Beauvoir's
I imagine she is a quick and easy name to pull down from the shelf of some old bullshit. I still would have sex with her though so I'll give her a try.
Arendt, right that's a good name drop. Thank you.
Which edition of My Diary, Desu should I purchase?
>>9107798
Norton Critical Edition. The critical essays by my parents, former friends and bullies, and qt girls I had a crush on but couldn't get dates with are all very enlightening.
Diary of a Nobody by the Brothers Grossmith
>>9107798
Penguin classics.
Has there ever been a more ridiculous intellectual movement than the Enlightenment?
How euphoric do you have to be to take three disparate Anglo cultural norms and hold them up as some kind of universal truth? It just screams immaturity- in fact there's not a sophisticated thought to be found in any of the movements principal texts. Voltaire tried to disprove the Bible by arguing that Blacks were so inferior to Whites that they couldn't have both descended from Adam and Eve. The degree of tipping is absolutely incredible to behold.
honestly though, it should have been called the Entitlement because apparently we deserve all kinds of shit just for being born.
>I prefer slavery and destitution to a free society where I have oppourtunity
>>9107799
>I'm intellectually dishonest and will do whatever it takes to secure my own comfort, regardless of whether or not my methods are ethical.
>>9107696
>Blacks were so inferior to Whites
>were
Does she have a point?
What is Harold Bloom really talking about when he talks about the western canon?
>>9107589
>because you're sooooo much smarter than us, right?
well, yeah, i mean he is.
She doesn't have a point because she doesn't understand what Bloom is trying to do, trying to say, or what the dynamics of the canon and of literary influence are as Bloom understands them (doesn't mean that his approach is the only valid one, or even the most accurate; Bloom is also subject to ideological bias, regardless of how unbiased he regards himself). Her insults and her own ideological bias don't help her case either.
If you want to read more about Bloom's thought as a literary critic, I recommend you read "The Anxiety of Influence", where he develops his theory of influence more formally.
>>9107615
Thanks for the earnest reply.
Is Bloom's ideological bias a reactionary one, as he's been accused of?
ls there any good book out there that's about how to make someone really hate you or how to be a douchebag in general?
>>9107579
my diary desu
>>9107579
just be yourself
Mother Night by Vonnegut
Kant and Hume on Causality: Who was right?
>>9107497
Hume. It's not even a contest.
>>9107497
Kant. It's not even a contest.
>>9107497
Causality. It's not even a contest.
This is about a boy and girl who were best friends but drifted apart from each other. They still have a lot in common, but it feels different and he just wants things to go back to how they were.
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They sat in silence suffused with short questions.
“How have you been lately?”
“Fine, you?”
“Same.”
The words between the two seemed so natural, yet so cut short, like the time he was 12 and oblivious until the phone rang and his aunt was dead.
They sat pondering what to say, for both of them were in shambles yet neither wanted to show weakness. She tapped her fingers against the couch nervously. He remembered her endearing tic from last summer, where they spent hours on the same leather couch, open and exposed and yearning to finally share all their feelings with someone who understood.
He seemed to trip on his own tongue. He knew the girl had universes inside her; secrets too deep to ever leave her eyes; ideas, doubts that he himself hadn't even considered yet. He looked timidly from under his bangs before again casting his head down at his hands gripping the couch.
He'd never tell anyone, but when he was alone, he'd plan conversations in his head. When he experienced anything, the first thing he'd think of was how he would tell her about it. Whenever he'd even browse the internet, he'd see a picture he knew she'd laugh at and he'd save it. Yet the conversations lingered only on his mind, and the pictures remained unsent.
This is horrible
>>9107376
Why? Pls give help, I wrote this in 5 minutes but I can hardly think at all
>>9107369
>The words between the two seemed so natural, yet so cut short, like the time he was 12 and oblivious until the phone rang and his aunt was dead.
Don't use "so" that often. The second part of this sentence is terrible nonsense.
>He knew the girl had universes inside her; secrets too deep to ever leave her eyes; ideas, doubts that he himself hadn't even considered yet
Don't fucking use semicolons like that. the sentence begins with "he knew" and end with "hadn't considered yet" that doesnt make fucking sense.
Not interesting or well written, sorry dudeman