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In the year 1831, Schopenhauer fell in love with a girl named Flora Weiss. At a boat party in Germany he made his advance by offering her a bunch of grapes. Flora’s diary records this event as follows “I didn’t want the grapes because old Schopenhauer had touched them, so I let them slide, quite gently into the water.” Apparently, she was underwhelmed.
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Ultimately I feel bad for women. No matter how much you laugh at the Schopenhauers of history, at least there were "Schopenhauers of history."
What are women remembered for? For getting offered grapes by someone who is actually remembered. Or for there being so many male versions of some vocation that any woman also doing that vocation is inherently exceptional.
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He should've flaunted his wealth instead.
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Who can compete?
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>>9116397
What are the criteria? Novels? 20th century novels? Experimental 20th century novels?
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Me. But I have yet to release my literary genius upon this world. The world is not ready. When the planets align in the correct order, when the moon turns to blood, my as yet unwritten magnum opus will be published and men feel cower in fear.
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>>9116401
fucking answer
what book or author awoke you from your dogmatic slumbers?
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>>9116382
I have never been in such a state. I have been right since the age of fourteen, in my atheism, and I have never experienced any serious doubts on the thought, though I have certainly entertained them. The tragedy is that others cannot recognize their own need to plug back in and escape truth a bit, as it were, in order to feel human again.
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>>9116544
you're still fourteen
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>>9116578
Not that guy, but joining a cult isn't a sign of maturity, no matter how big the cult.
It's a sign of weak-mindedness and a floundering sense of self.
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What is the best history of philosophy?
Is Frederick Copleston's any good?
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>>9116087
>secondary literature
ISHYGDDT
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>>9116087
Copleston is good from what little of him I've read before (in comparison with the source material and other, more intensive secondary sources), but yeah there's just no way to boil down hundreds and often thousands of pages of philosophy into a few chapters. I mean you will hit the "big points," but it's a totally different experience to steep yourself in a philosopher's system and thought processes.
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>>9116087
He good
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>"They look like a newly married couple," said Sensei.
>"They seem to be pretty fond of each other, don't they?" I said, in an amused tone of voice.
>There was not even a trace of a smile on Sensei's face. He began deliberately to walk away from the couple. He then said to me:
>"Have you ever been in love?"
>I said no.
>"Don't you want to be in love?"
>I said nothing in reply.
>"It isn't that you don't want to fall in love, is it?"
>"No."
>"You made fun of that couple, didn't you? But actually, you sounded to me like a person who is dissatisfied because he has not yet been able to fall in love, though he wants to."
>"Did I sound like that?"
>"Yes, you did. A person who has been in love himself would have been more tolerant and would have felt warmer towards the couple. But--but do you know that there is guilt also in loving? I wonder if you understand me."
>I was surprised, and said nothing.
What did he mean by this?
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>>9114364
he meant that Kokoro is beautiful and made me cry
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>>9114403
I'm on page 20, spoil it and you're dead, kid
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>>9114452
not a peep outta me, anonhaha you wanted it to be spoiled. gotcha!
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Does /lit/ really think Sam Harris couldn't BTFO Zizek or any other PoMo hero of theirs?
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>>9113679
>Zizek
Harris vs. Zizek is a must, only if it is 3 hours (+), and both prepare some bullet points of questions they wish to ask the other before, and both must write a little summery before their discussion of their understanding of 'what Truth/truth is', which they post online and read before the discussion, to see if they agree and understand
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>>9113847
>Harris vs. Zizek
I didnt mean to imply a 'harsh vs', but more of a 'with', a civil, constructive, enlightening, challenging, seeking brilliance
discussion
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>>9113679
BTFO him on what?
You can believe that Zizek's conclusions are shit but this guy, unlike Ben Stiller, really knows his philosophy/literature/history/younameit.
I mean how hard could it really be to outdebate a guy that dedicated his whole public intellectual life to inventing new ways to say "religion is shit, boo muslims".
Also Zizek being a PoMo hero. Do you even know his work? He spent a lot of time criticizing our postmodern condition and advocating for a return to some slightly reformed version of Modernity.
What is beyond "no"?
We have all heard that Reality-as-such is beyond any duality, beyond any affirmation or denial. It is often said that emptiness is not "no," but what is it exactly? -- The fact that we're so frequently discouraged in Zen from asking questions with presumptuous words like "what" makes it all the more pressing that we try to find a way forward.
Let's turn to its logical formulation for a second. What this amounts to goes by many names, but in the West it usually goes by "apophatic" or "negative" theology. It's an idea you find in a lot of cultures, and it seems pretty clear to me that this is the driving factor behind why so many holy texts are filled with mountains of negations. The idea behind it is pretty simple: it's more accurate to say what Reality *isn't* than what it *is*. This is motivated by metaphysical technicalities that I won't get into in my OP, but it can be said that our project is basically trying to put Boundless Reality into a limited, bounded explanation, and for this reason it's difficult to *speak* about Reality-as-such. The ink-blood of many minds has been spilled over the relationship between language and metaphysics, and I won't try to solve it here.
Anyway, the idea is just simple negation. However, Reality is beyond yes and no, being wholly inclusive (it being contradiction in terms for a real thing not to be included in Truth). So Wu/Mu (無) is not just "no", since it indicates reality.
Negation isn't the whole picture. I want to try, with all of you, to speak more clearly about what is. Particularly, is there a logical form that's closer than mere negation? At some point I expect this to break down since Reality-as-such is beyond individuation and affirmation/denial, the two foundations of logic, but I think it can be taken a little further.
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Perhaps Zhuangzi's wordplay with 是 is relevant here: when paired with 非, the pair indicates affirmation and denial. When paired with 彼, they indicate "this" and "that" (i.e. individuation).
What is interesting here is the link between these two concept (which happen to be the foundation of logic) being 是. Zhuangzi sees that there is a fundamental relationship between, if I may put it this way, where one stands (perspective) and what one sees (what one affirms/denies). I affirm this and not that because I am this way.
It is like this: on an indefinitely large plane, any point can be taken as the center; but you must pick a center in order to start making measurements. (This seems to be the idea behind *rational* coming from *ratio*: that rationality is from comparing things.) In order to say anything, I need a place to stand, so to speak. But as soon as I have a place to stand Reality is /this/ way and not /that/ way. So when I tried to say something about it I had to get my hands messy and join the fray! I couldn't say anything about Reality "objectively", but had to hop right in in order to speak.
This project seems self-defeating, since every time we try to get closer to Reality than "no", we are met with "abandon individuation and affirmation/denial, for they are unreal." But these appear to be the very foundations of language and logic, of sayability! So must we rethink saying? How can something closer than "no" be said? -- Try as you might, the question stubbornly refuses to go away despite our pulling the rug out from under it.
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So, in trying to go beyond "no", there appears to be this radical affirmation of limitedness. I keep coming back to the saying:
>Before enlightenment, mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers.
>During enlightenment, mountains are not mountains and rivers are not rivers.
>After enlightenment, mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers.
I think the individuality of a thing is being affirmed as its Reality. But this "individuality" must not be construed the way we usually do.
So we are pulled in two directions, neither affirming it nor denying it are fully "it." But "no" says something crucial, and when we look closely at this "no" we find a radical affirmation of the Reality of the individual-as-such.
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What in the shit am I reading
Keep going tho
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Last five books you read.
Others judge them based solely on this.
> Richard Adams' Watership Down
> Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness
> Yukio Mishima's The Sound of the Waves
> Dostoevsky's Crime & Punishment
I loved each one of them.
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Dracula
Brief Interviews with Hideous Men
Blood Meridian
The Great Gatsby
Of Mice & Men
I swear I'm not straight out of high school, although I know it looks like otherwise.
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>>9109435
You're a white male college sophomore who likes anime and says 'vidya' unironically
me
>'On Women' by Schopenhauer
>Mein Kampf by Hitler
>My Twisted World by Eliot Rodger
>Unabomber Manifesto
>Manipulated Man by Vilar
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>>9109435
> OP asks for last five
> he only posts four
I know you're not a mathematician.
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>Champion of sexual liberation
>pacifist
>historian of philosophy
>advocate of idleness and more free time
>critic of religious dogma and agnostic or atheist.
Why is Bertrand Russell so awesome?
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You forgot science advocate. ABC of Relativity is a great book for science plebs.
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>>9109020
He was just spreading (((globalism))) too the masses.
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>>9109020
>champion of sexual liberation
>pacifist
>advocate of idleness
>awesome
fuck off you marxist shit
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I remember seeing a thread the other day that had a focus along the lines of this stated subject. It had a vapourwave style picture of some hands over a computer or something. If someone could perhaps link that then it would be appreciated.
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Daily reminder that Hegel is not an idealist, he is a phenomenologist and nothing more.
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>>9108141
Hegel is a WIZARD. Hegel is an occultist. More people need to read that one article, the prologue to that one book.
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>>9108141
Congratulations?
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Was Svidrigaylov even a real person? His actions are so unsettling and he seems to act almost supernaturally
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>>9120917
SONIAS FIREEEEEEE
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I read this book and it is so boring. Why do you recommend this meme so often?
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Porfiry actually unsettles me the most.
>tee hee hee! you have such a sharp wit! so very clever! tee hee!
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What does he mean when he says he's "planting a flag"?
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>>9120870
(gay sex)
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>>9120870
Stubborn, almost autistic refusal to cede argumentive ground to an intellectually superior interlocutor.
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>>9120870
>let's unpack your question for our listeners
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who here is a potterhead?
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>>9120612
>12 years olds get in here!
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ME!
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more like pothead
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So, /lit/...Any last words?
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dispara cobarde, solo vas a matar un hombre
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Danton was the man. I recommend the Wajda film.
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Mis antepasados me estan sonreindo, imperiales. Puedes decir el mismo?
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I just checked out this book from my library, as I want to tru and understand economics and the free market system a little better. My question is, is this book still relevant today, and is it worth the read? I plan on reading Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics eventually as well.
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>>9120382
>is this book still relevant today, and is it worth the read?
Yes, no.
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Books I, IV, and V imho f@m
After that you will read Ricardo or J.S. Mill's Principles (pick one), Carl Menger's Principles of Economics, Henry George's Progress and Poverty, something by Irving Fisher, and then finally read fucking Keynes' General Theory (do this you fucking asshole you probably won't understand it even or maybe you will holy shit)
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ignore >>9120410