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>>9163147
Can you just kill yourself already

Nobody in this world gives a shit what you do with your time. It's your life - do whatever makes you happy.

>>9163147
As long as you still fulfill whatever responsibilities you have who cares what you spend your free time doing.

Seems stupid not to do what is most fun to you when you just want to relax and enjoy days off.

>back to /r9k/

You don't need to ask my permission. Would have been better if you actually stated a discussion...

Is the book considered timeless because communism is such a bad idea and always fails, or is it timeless because instead of using people orwell uses animals ?

We need a monarchy.

>>9162652
I used to, it's general bardolatry and nonage though. For instance, Roman Polanski is not Chinatown. However repugnant the man may be, I enjoy his films, and that is what actually matters. If you idolize the person, you won't really appreciate their art for the art (painting, film, text, collage) itself.

generation '68 should die

grow up op

Also, do you recommend any other Hugo books?

>>9162606
It's good, but Les Mis is better, albeit even more long-winded, but don't be intimitaded by the length. Hunchback is great for it's era but Les Mis in general is considered the book to have launched Hugo to be one of the forefront runners of the Romantic literary movement in France

>>9162613
thanks anon

>>9162561
Im talking about the inverse relationship, the effect of confidence on one's writing capabilities.

>>9162556
This could mean one of several things.

You've gained more perspective and experience, and only think your old work is better because you haven't taken another look at them from a more experienced lens.

You've lost your muse, and you're not putting in effort like you used to.

Your self-esteem is going down the shitter for unrelated reasons.

>>9162561
Terrible writers also tend to think they're good.

>>9162576
>You've gained more perspective and experience, and only think your old work is better because you haven't taken another look at them from a more experienced lens.

That can't be it. People actually liked my work before and now they hate it.

>You've lost your muse, and you're not putting in effort like you used to.

but this story was more near and dear to my heart than anything else I've ever written. How can I be getting worse?

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Its everywhere, this insistence in the command of a certain pattern or tempo or sequence or melody that the world follows. And it it is not only that- “No, there are no laws or orders, everything is always in flux and always changing”, No, this is still the kind of external center of power that we have been referring to except that now the regulation is deregulation. No, this is wrong. Its not just that there is no belief structure with some power outside of ourselves in charge of the regulation of events that occur, but its that its both that there is and that there isn’t, and these two paradoxes, in a very obvious way, belong to each other. That is to say that- there is a division of forces in a constant state of infestation upon the earth, among this division we need only categorize two. 1. The Gangs of Belief Structure 2. The Folly of God- and the latter is the main point of this, what we are talking about.
Lets make this very simple to understand. There are belief systems and they function for their followers as methods of understanding the world. These methods help people feel safe because they reassure that things are predictable, etc. And I propose that even a belief system that works counter clockwise, that is, that the belief system is precisely that nothing is predictable and everything is left to chance, etc. - this too is a belief system. So these are belief systems.
The Folly of God is a term I made up to designate one specific thing with a double feature. The one specific thing is Folly, as in mistake, hubris, error, etc. I thought you said coffee cream, you actually said coffee beans- now we have coffee cream that we don’t need and coffee beans that we do need- my mistake, mea culpa, lets forget about it. No! Lets not for this once. The double feature of Folly, as I believe to be true, is that, for one, it is so obviously everywhere all the time, and two, this all pervasiveness has something to do with God.

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Lets reiterate; I misunderstand you, I fuck up, I completely and absolutely mistook this for that, etc,. This essence of Folly is the reason for reason. We reason, attempt to think more clearly, as a means of making the right choice. You know like science works for us so that we could normalize the chaos. Okay, this is not hard to understand- of course. What is hard to understand, let alone hard to give ourselves the time and patience to look over, is folly. And i don’t claim we don’t do this- we do. We all do it but i question why it seems like its always against our will. On the internet people say things like- I was alone and I suddenly started think about all my mistakes- I hate when that happens. I am reminded of Lacan’s idea of knowledge as being paranoiac- we don’t want to know because it could be painful. This resistance to the truth i believe is a primal trait, and what i propose her is that this desire not to know is intrinsically tied up with all perverseness of Folly.
The Folly of God means this; there is order and disorder at the same time. As in God allows for establishments of order, and what it would seem like, the more the merrier- all the while the essence of nature remains as it is. They say we are coming closer and closer to the day where we can understand the essential laws of the physical universe. This day and our own seem to rise asymptotmatically. To be clear- I don’t believe this day will ever come precisely because of what I have been saying.
We don’t want to know how much of our day-to-day consists, not just of chance- i just happened to stumble upon this whatever- but of folly. I dare you now to consider how much of your own life events were turned out not merely by blind chance, but by sheer absolute stupidity. Consider this!

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Perhaps the term Folly of God is too much. I am reminded of Bernard Stiegler and his reading of Prometheus and Epimetheus. It will not be a detour to remember it: Prometheus was a Titan. Epimethus was his dumb brother. Zeus, or God, commanded that all beings be given traits. The job was given to Epimetheus, who was sort of a forgetful Titan. So he went about handing out traits or whatever- the hawk was given flight, the cat was given prowess, the cheetah was given speed, whatever etc. Epimetheus ran out and forgot to give one to Humans or something like that. So Prometheus goes and steals fir from Zeus, and this he gives to Humans. He was punished for this. But Epimethus fucks up again, and adds to the gift of fire the gift of fucking up. Like Epimetheus gave us a bit of God and a bit of himself. This is a neat story and you cans ee how it relates to what Im saying.
This all encompassing “fucking up” or “making mistakes” or just plain misunderstanding someone or doing the wrong thing is no small part of the world.

can you give me a short review about that poem? i may read it soon

>>9162627
It's the Evangelion of literature

>>9162627
Sir Gawain is challenged by a green knight and goes to a magical castle in the forest where he very nearly cucks a guy.

Overall a decent read and a good example of early English literature. The original was written in alliterative verse, which is pretty interesting.

>>9162280
There is no mystery in the stranger

>>9162280
Yeaa... Meursault gets arrests right after shooting the Arab gets he guillotine. There's no whodunnit. You are mistaken.

>>9162280
"whodunnits" or "mysteries" are what /lit/ would probably call a "woman's genre," in the sense that they are intellectually vapid. Red Harvest, for instance, only works because Hammett withholds key information as it suits the suspense. Once all the pieces are in place, i.e. once the evidence has been entirely established, there is only one way a mystery can end.

This is why Hitchcock, for instance, detested mystery; on film it is much more difficult to withhold information, elements of crime within the scene will be apparent to those who are observant. This is why he made mostly thrillers, and not mysteries.

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OP is to intelligent too live the life of a writer

>>9162188
>life of writer is boring as hell

don't be a writer then, idiot

>>9162188
If you won't live up to your potential, you didn't have it in the first place.

>>9162166
Literally nothing

>>9162166
Ayn Rand thinking she could write.

>>9162528
She's great for the acquisition of vocabulary words, i.e. when in the 8th grade, which is when Dagney T. really kind of impressed me.

>>9162163
the original seemed to be the one he sold to Brown, what was your favorite scene? Mine was when he asked his father the question, that climax was the greatest thing i had ever read, i think. also, yeah that Janice, finally disillusioned by Wyatt not being Jesus, offers herself to the bull in a crazy paganistic sacrifice that seemed to tie in with Gwyon's religious fanaticism. says something about pasiphae on the annotations site. wasn't that the bull that nearly kills wyatt?

>>9162196
I never used the site I just Googled shit. I'm gonna go check the site now that I'm done. totally forgot.

>>9162163
Shit book desu. Gaddis was too stupid to realize he wrote an ostensibly Catholic novel and some Polish girl needed to show up at his doorstep and prove it to him.

Fucking RETARD.

P.S. JR is overrated trash that isn't interesting in any way.

>>9162040

>read critic
>see who he mentions as positive examples/influences
>read those critics
>repeat with those critics

For example, Bloom likes Samuel Johnson, Hazlitt, and Northrop Frye. He taught Camille Paglia, and was taught by M.H. Abrams.

>>9162096

yeah, figured as much. thats typically how i figure out where to go with reading in non-fiction novels, thanks for your reply and sorry for waste of thread, should have tried to figure it out out on my own first.

>he's incapable of analyzing and forming opinions on his own

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I thought the greatest Roman tragedy was the success of Christianity.

C'mon man that is Cerberus and Caecillius, get some taste.

>>9162068
*That isn't

>>9162002
Yeah

>>9162002
Naruto: Shippuden.

>>9162002
Tapei- Tao Lin

Generally by reading.

>>9161916
>laying in bed this morning
>half-asleep state, dreaming but still conscience.
>came up with a poem that had the fuckin' lot.
>about some goose, normal truckdrivers, and a very pretty girl
>was a stroke of genius, was lit as fuck.
>didn't write it down because I was in bed.


even if i wanted to it was out of my head within a minute.

makes me cry desu senpai

Any tips for remembering dreams