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Explain something to me.

Is writing a diferent skill than reading?

As in listening music is a diferent skill than composing?

Following the logic, is it needed to read a lot to write well, or is simply needed to write a lot to write properly?
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>>9165582
Unless this is some Platonic ruse cruise, yeah dummy, reading and writing are different, and yeah faggot, you need to read and write a lot to get good.
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There was an episode of "Black Books" where Fran wanted to learn to play the piano, but lacked any skill. "I must be musical," she pouted, "I've got loads of CDs."

think about it.
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Can someone tell me why black can get fucking shredded with minimum effort? Like, they have to work half as much as any other race. They really are the chosen race

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I am troubled by the Big Questions - what is the purpose of life? is there a God? what's the right way to act? etc. I have opinions on these questions, but they are uncertain and I am plagued by doubts all the time.

Will reading philosophy help me answer these questions in a way that would convince me? Even if the answer is "there is no purpose" or "nobody knows for sure, lol" - I don't care; at this point I feel like taking a leap of faith into agnosticism/nihilism is no more valid than taking one into certainty/realism. If there isn't anything to know, I want to know that that is the case.

Should I start with the Greeks? I'll do it if I have to, but I'm tempted to solve fun trolley puzzles instead :^(
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>Should I start with the Greeks?
You already know the answer.

You won't get a straight answer to any question like that but at least they will make you think about them in an intelligent way. There's a lot of different perspectives to gain insight from and you might over time be able to formulate your own opinions and answers.
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>>9165581
>Will reading philosophy help me answer these questions
Yes. Philosophy nowadays is concerned with other matters. All these questions have already been answered.
There is no purpose. If you really want one you could say reproduce, have pleasure or obtain power.

There is no God.

Act by the categorical imperative.


A good start is History of Western Philosophy - Bertrand Russell. It's easy to find the pdf.
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>>9165611
>All these questions have already been answered
where the consensus tho

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I'm from /mu/ and would like to say this is a bad book.
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I'm from /lit/ and would like to say this is a bad album.
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>>9165521
Hey man. That's not called for.
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>>9165521
If I had to choose v. bk and album, which i'd rather not audit, I'd choose the album. Ergo, /lit/ wins!

Hey /lit/, I was about to buy Dubliners and A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man

I was thinking of going with either the Everyman's Library edition or the Oxford World's Classics edition.

Do any of you have any experience with these editions, or are there other editions that you would recommend?
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Oxford
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>Dubliners
What was that guy's who talked with the two kids fucking problem?
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>>9165505
He did more than talk

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21st century academia, ladies and gentlemen.
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Has anyone checked out Peterson's twitter recently? He's been on a tear with this, retweeted from here:

https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview
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I am offended!
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>>9165354

Post the abstract.

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Why don't we have a thread comparing and discussing the prosodic features of our native language? I'm mostly thinking of prosodic features of the traditional poetry (including, not only meter, but also things like rhyme, alliteration, or pitch cadence as in Classical Chinese poetry), but information about the modernist innovations would be cool too. I'm not sure if this should go on /lit/ or /int/, but it seems like there are enough people with a language other than English as their mother tongue for this to work. Discussion of classical languages is also more than welcome.

For my part, as a student of Spanish, I know that the traditional prosody is more or less like that of French--i.e., neither stress nor syllable length (which is of course nonexistent anyways) are taken into account, and the only metrical restraints are syllable count and caesurae. I also know that by far the most common Spanish meter is el octavosílabo, just as the most "natural" meter in English is blank verse.

That said, I know that many modernists and proto-modernists imported classical meters (dactylic hexameter, iambic trimeter, etc.), using the stress accent of Spanish. Perhaps the most notable of these (correct me if you disagree) is Rubén Darío, whom I think I like, although I've only read a handful of poems of his since I have to look up a word every other line. That said, my question is, which of these "classical" meters has been the most successful in Spanish, and which is the most "natural"? Is there any particular stress pattern that you think is most natural in Spanish, as iambic is in English?
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Have you read Don Quijote? If so, how many different metres did Cervantes use for the poems?

Im genuinelly asking, i don't know much about poetry
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>>9165360
He wrote a lot in fixed forms, but most of his poems were lost, unfortunately. He was a awesome satiric, like most of his pairs of Siglo de Oro. What do you want know, exactly?
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>>9165360
Part I- Chapter II. ''Nunca fuera caballero...''
It's a ''romance'', a really popular form, used mostly in folk poetry. 8 syllabes each verse, pair verses have assonant rhyme.
Part I- Chapter IX. ''Ya sé, Olalla, que me adoras...''
A ''romance'' too.
Part I- Chapter XIV. ''Yace aquí un amador...''
Two ''redondillas'', which are four-verse stanzas with 9 or less syllabes each verse. The rhyme's pattern is ''abba''.
Part I- Chapter XXIII. ''O le falta al amor conocimiento...''
A sonnet
Part I- Chapter XXVII. ''¿Quién menoscaba mis bienes...?''
This is another folkish meter, called ''ovillejo''. The structure goes like this: several couplets in which the first verse has 8 syllabes and the second, only 4. Also, the poet can add a ''glosa'' as a ''note'' for the ovillejo.
Part I- Chapter XXXIII. ''Crece el dolor y crece la vergüenza...''
This one's called ''octava real''. These have 8 verses of 11 syllabes and their rhyme pattern is ABABABCC.
Part I- Chapter XXXIII. ''Es de vidrio la mujer...''
Three ''redondillas''.
Part I- Chapter XXXIII. ''Busco en la muerte la vida...''
Two ''quintillas''. As long as the poem has 5 verses and each verse has only 9 or less syllabes, it's a ''quintilla''.
Par I- Chapter XXXIV. ''En el silencio de la noche, cuando...'' and ''Ya sé que muero; y si no soy creído...''
Two sonnets.
Part I- Chapter XL. ''Almas dichosas que del mortal velo...'' and ''De entre esta tierra estéril, derribada...''
Two more sonnets.
Part I- Chapter XLIII. ''Marinero soy de amor...''
Another romance.
Part I- Chapter XLIII. ''Dulce esperanza mía...''
These are really interesting. ''Sextillas'' in which the the first four verses of each stanza follow the ''lira'' pattern.
Part I- Chapter LII. ''El calvatrueno que adornó a la Mancha...'' and ''Esta que veis de rostro amondongado'' and so on.
Four sonnets and four ''quintillas''.

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Is he the final boss of french philosophy?
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I saw him fifteen years ago for a lecture he was giving. I remember he made weird movements and noises, as if he were eating his own lips. The lecture itself was quite difficult to follow but it didn't sound like bullshit to me. He said there are two kind of philosophers, those who search truth and those who search sense or meaning. And there's also the "philosophers of the 3" and the "philosophers of the 4". He insisted that Hegel for instance is a 4 guy, contrary to the common belief.

However when he's writing, I guess he's on drugs or something, like he's got no idea what reason is and how to use it.
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>He said there are two kind of philosophers, those who search truth and those who search sense or meaning.
That kind of makes sense.

>And there's also the "philosophers of the 3" and the "philosophers of the 4". He insisted that Hegel for instance is a 4 guy, contrary to the common belief.
Is he referring to his four conditions? And for Badiou are the philosophers of the 4 superior to those of the 3?
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>>9165211
You should listen to Habermas.

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What a fucking hack.
Why is Murakami's prose so fucking horrible and irritating?

>Dude Earth could be coffetable shaped XD
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I read Hear the Wind Sing recently and it sucked.

>I slept with this cool chick, real mysterious haha (just how I like 'em)
>I drank some whiskey lol
>I was back at the bar, having a crazy wild night
>I listened to this commercial American rock, I'm such a Burgerboo ;)
>I laid on the floor and drank some coffee while smoking a cigarette

The dude's a total cuck. No wonder women like him so much. He makes BPD seem romantic and narcissism "deep".
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>>9165167

Still more accolades than your favourite author. Sit down.
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>>9165240

>>/pol/

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that you haven't truly challenged yourself until you have read a Mcelroy.
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Is Actress in the House this year's Stoner?

You motherfuckers love your meme books.
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>>9165097
what did he meme by this?
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>>9165089
this guy's plots are about all the same old shit as any other book you might pick up. nonsense about love and sex and the usual trite bullshit. plot isn't what matters most of the time, but it definitely helps to distinguish the creatives from the mediocre talents

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>The perfect reading device doesn't exsi-

Are you a snob that must read a physical copy of a book? Why or why not? Do you have a preference of digital vs physical? I have a Kobo Glo HD and it's literally perfect, I thought that I would hate reading digital copies of things but it's surprisingly amazing with e-ink screens.
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>>9165079
Sunk cost fallacy, I own a lot of books, so I keep buying books for my collection.
I am the only person who ever sees them, and I waste time dusting them.

Help.
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People who worry about how a book feels or smells or looks don't read books. They feel and smell and look at books, but they don't read them.
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>>9165079

I'm not. I'm considering buying an e-reader tomorrow in fact. I've moved 4 times in the past 2.5 years and expect to move again in the next few months. It's a pain the dick and I long for a more minimalistic lifestyle.

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Last 5 books you read and others will judge you because you're so insecure and need to be knocked down a few pegs.

1) Aristotle's Poetics
2) David Corbett's The Art Of Character
3) Yukio Mishima's The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea
4) Joseph Cambell's Hero With A Thousand Faces
5) Cervantes' Don Quixote (Part 1 and 2)
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> Moby Dick
> Titus Andronicus
> Brief Interviews with Hideous Men
> Submission
> We

I enjoyed most of this except We. Really didn't enjoy that at all. Brief Interviews was good for the most part but some of the short stories in it were genuinely tedious and just gave me the impression that Foster Wallace had potential as a good writer but also gets distracted by his intelligence by overdoing it on the footnotes and flowery technical prose. Maybe it wasn't a good place to start with his work or maybe he's just not for me?
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>>9164811
>reading a writing guide by some hack crime writer
really now


The Hard Life - Flann O'Brien
Winesburg, Ohio - Sherwood Anderson
Mercier & Camier - Samuel Beckett
Empire of the Sun - J.G. Ballard
The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco
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>Steppenwolf
>Mr Norris Changes Trains
>No Longer Human
>The Iliad
>Stoner
Moby Dick is still my favourite, Stoner was great, hit me hard at "To W.S". Currently reading Crime and Punishment and enjoying it.

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http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm

>I.7.8 (bar; left of the door); 8162: We two dear men, friends forever, were here. If you want to know our names, they are Gaius and Aulus.

>II.7 (gladiator barracks); 8767: Floronius, privileged soldier of the 7th legion, was here. The women did not know of his presence. Only six women came to know, too few for such a stallion.
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>>9164483

Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men’s behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity!
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I love these. Makes you realize that cave paintings are probably just ancient shitposts. Shitposting has been going on since the beginning of time, pic related.

My favourite is "Let everyone one in love come and see. I want to break Venus’ ribs with clubs and cripple the goddess’ loins. If she can strike through my soft chest, then why can’t I smash her head with a club?"
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> SAMIVS CORNELIO: SVSPENDERE.
wew, Romans even had death threats

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Daily reminder that Tao Lin's parents bought him an apartment in central New York when he was 22.

Daily reminder that this is the so-called "voice of your generation"
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are u perhaps gelatinous?
new york is a shit hole, no need to be.
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>it's pretty cool to have rich parents
more at 11
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Lots of artists were "kept" people, I'm sure there are better ways to criticise the Lin.

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>He would compile and compose the annual report on the insurance institute for the several years he worked there. The reports were received well by his superiors. Kafka usually got off work at 2 p.m., so that he had time to spend on his literary work, to which he was committed"

How the fuck did Kafka get away with working 5 hours a day?

Is this even possible in 2017 without having to work retail?
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Kafka was a pathetic neurotic jew with daddy issues. One of the worst writers of all time and his work should have been burned like he wanted it to be.

If you think his stories have anything even remotely resembling literary merit, then you've been swindled.
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>>9164451
Delet this
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>>9164451

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*blocks your path*
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*CRASH*
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>5'1
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>>9164439
Who thought /lit/ humorless?

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