Morning friends,
I have recently started studying Chinese and am very much enjoying it. I would like to read either (/lit/) novels that take place in China or non-fiction books about Chinese history and culture. If anyone has any reccs I would be very grateful.
If anyone has any tips, insights, or stories about learning the language or experiences in China that would be cool too.
谢谢
This one is great, basically a thriller with a nice dive into history (of China). It's not about "Tokyo", actually.
You may also want to google Robert Van Gulik (never read him, he's just been recc'ed to me a lot).
>>9174541
Thanks, I will look into Gulik. I'm not really much of a thriller person, more of a comfy character-centered novel kind of guy, but I will check out Mo Hayder Tokyo as well.
One more question I have: does anyone have any experience using the Fluent Forever system for learning languages, specifically a logogram language?
>>9174490
For culture- Lin Yutang. My Country And My People and The Importance of Living.
He generalises and romanticises heavily, but in a really likeable way. Of course a lot has changed since the early twentieth century when he wrote, but still plenty of insights/useful/fun stuff in there.
>/lit/
>>9174424
me on the left
me in red
>Roger Mexico
>he isn't a Hispanic radiologist
What do you think radiology is?
>>9174413
I meant radio operator
>>9174333
I just read the passage in which Slothrop eats all those candies and it was one of the best moments of my life
Is there a 'start with the poets' list?
Also, how the fuck do I know what is good and what is not? I feel like I need to read a bit about poetry itself in a meta- sense before I even know what is what.
hi
Literature?
>start with the Greeks
Poetry?
>start with the Greeks
English Poetry?
>start with the Elizabethans
It's not uncommonly said that Shakespeare (the dramas) and Milton are the only English poets worth reading.
>>9174344
OP here. I know, but whenever I see recommended poetry I always end up reading about quaint scenes in the bottom of gardens and it puts me off.
Why do so many people say this is their favourite book? Is it because it's so short (minimal effort), taught in school, or because its actually good?
>>9174284
I don't know anybody who counts this as their fave
It's a great fishing manual.
>>9174284
my favourite
it's good
wonderful to re-read too
Found this book in my language from lib gen. Is it worth to read? I wanted to read a book about cancer.
It's pure cancer.
It's a wonderful book. Read it.
>>9174201
All life on this dirtball is decaying organic matter.
Don't need to waste my time with this doorstopper to know this.
>In an oral biography titled Salinger, authors David Shields and Shane Salerno assert that the author had left specific instructions authorizing a timetable, to start between 2015 and 2020, for the release of several unpublished works. According to the authors and their sources, these include five new Glass-family stories; a novel based on Salinger's relationship with his first wife, Sylvia; a novella in the form of a World War II counterintelligence officer’s diary; a "manual" of stories about Vedanta; and other new or retooled stories that illuminate the life of Holden Caulfield.
Anybody holding out any hope?
Going to the library now, what books by this guy, aside from catcher, should I buy?
>>9174126
all of them, there are like 4
but specifically Franny and Zooey
>>9174126
For Esme.../Nine Stories and Franny & Zooey are essential. Raise High.../Seymour: An Introduction not so much
Which books are worthwhile in assisting in improving one's own creative writing skills? Whether it's teaching the nuts and bolts of character development, structure, tone, theme, etc. Or something that's to help in developing your own style?
Which books have helped you learn how to write?
John Yorke's Into The Woods
Robert McKee's Story (and Dialogue is worth checking out too, it's his newest)
Christopher Vogler's The Writer's Journey
Joseph Campbell's Hero With a Thousand Faces
David Corbett's The Art of Character (it starts with the beginning of where people might gain inspiration for a character and gentle assists in building it from appearance, psychology, intentions/wants/needs, whether the character is worthy of being a protagonist, etc - probably better suited to beginners or someone who is trying to get back into writing).
Most of this stuff takes more of a screenwriting focus to be honest, but what they teach can also be applied to plays and novels too, to be honest.
>>9174090
Stephen king on writing
Elements of structure
Ray bradbury zen in the art of writing
Aristotle's poetics
Oxford english grammar
The rest can't be taught or is totally subjective.
>>9174090
Read books on composition (music and painting)-- on crafting (woodworking, for instance)-- on how to do most anything at all (by a good writer) OTHER than writing. It's counter-intuitive, of course..
what did you learn regarding literature today?
>found out albert camus is pronounced al-bear cah-moo instead of al-bert cam-us
>>9174082
That I'm inherently superior to all women writers as a white man.
Schopenhauer, you are my hero! FUCK WOMEN
>>9174082
>Thinks it's pronounced Cah-moo
>Being this bad at French
When will Anglos learn?
It is cah-miih.
I've more than 10 chapters into Machiavelli's work and so far it's been more or less nothing but military strategy and advice that is far too dated to be applicable today. When does is start to talk about power and the other things that make people still read it today?
It's very boring indeed. I don't think people read it anyway - knowing the main ideas is enough. Unless you wanna study the book thouroughly for itself.
If you can't figure out by yourself where the knowledge in the book is, I doubt it would be that useful to you anyways.
>>9174068
Speaking of The Prince, does anyone know where I can get a copy of the translation by Tim Parks online?
Coming across /lit/'s favourite books, I was wondering what method was used to compile all that data.
I would be very interested to see similar charts regarding favourite poets/poems/short stories.etc
I can't believe The Stranger makes it to the top 20 every year. Its so fucking overrated.
It has literally three pages of profound subject matter. The rest of the book is a poorly written high school tier story about some loser who thinks everything is pointless.
>>9174059
Yelling at each other.
>>9174196
The old fashioned way. I guess I have a lot of brute work to do.
I've reached a state of tranquillity (partially). I do not get offended over words, at all. However, I'm losing it, /lit/.
Everywhere I go, whenever there's an argument taking place, people end up (unironically) insulting one another and don't reach a conclusion to the topic at hand. It's either dropped entirely, side-tracked completely, or they continue to cuss out each other while completely disregarding the argument. Essentially, when people sperg out over trivial shit, I too begin to leisurely reach the point of sperging out myself.
Basically, people over the age of 18 with a severe lack of self-control annoy/sadden me.
I need a book that helps me cope with this feel. I probably worded this really poorly, but I hope you get the gist.
Just go neet
>>9174049
Sadly that's not an option.
>>9174037
I feel you man, I'm exactly the same. Happened to me during an argument, he just kept getting more and more aggressive, raising his voice etc and I just started laughing in his face in a "trying to hold it in"- type of way. Hilarious how seriously people will take an exchange of ideas.
Anyway he started smiling and shit too, and the conversation took a lighter tone. Before that he got really worked up though.
What should I read to stop degradation of my mind? I'm coming to this website on daily basis since 2009, and things that happend to my head are atrocious. Basically I'm addicted to stream of info-garbage this site provides, can't focus on anything for a long time, and can't build a proper sentence in a serious conversation. The only pro is that I somehow improved my english (passive part mostly), and maybe I'm a bit happier than before.
>>9173987
You should stop coming here, retard. All the useful advice that this place can provide has long been condensed into wikis and chart pics. The only reason to be here is to waste time or quickly get some specific recommendations.
>>9173992
>stop coming here
>>9173992
The problem is that this fucking place became a substitute of social life for me. I don't know man.
Anyone know any good Historical Fiction?
Mary Renault
>>9173942
Masters of Rome
Penelope Fitzgerald
So in the book, did he actually get all those dubs or were they just a figment of his imagination?
>>9173911
Both. It's up to you to figure out which is which.
>>9173911
I must read this
What is it?
I want Jean to be my gf
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