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I have nothing against gay rights. But whenever I hear this word I cringe. It's such a hackneyed attempt to borrow the authority of Greek without playing by Greek's rules. Surely there are better words: say miserotia if you desperately need the Greek roots, or just go elsewhere.
If you're not describing an irrational fear of uniformity, you shouldn't be using this word.
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you are a troubled young man
Join YMCA and come and dream with me
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Miserotia wouldn't be equivalent to homophobia, they mean two different things
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Are you trying to tell ME that an arbitrary sign can't change its meaning trought time and that everybody is using it wrong but you?

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> Lolita is a french novel because its first print was published in Paris
> I don't care it was written in English by one of Russia's greatest
> it's French literature

Are frogs this desperate to have something of value for the world?
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>Make something up
>greentext it
>post a thread

Are you that desperate for (You)s? They're of no value for the world.
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>>9151276
I wish I was making it up. This Frenchie keeps arguing with me it's "A French novel".
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>>9151266

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How to map out a novel efficiently?

I'm redrafting 90k words and I get fucking lost all the time.
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>>9150893
If you are doing it on the computer, make a text file, that you can store 'novel words' that may be relevant to certain sections, or even just every so often write

((((chapter 2)))

skhfkdshfkjsdhg
ldshgkdlsg

((chapter 3 ... talking about the kitchen

(section 4.... going to the bathroom)


so then you can use the 'find' feature on the word processor:

So if you wake up in the middle of the night and think of wanting to include the toothpaste brand in the bathroom scene but dont remember where in the 500,000 word document the bathroom scene is:

Find: toilet

etc.

If you are doing it all on paper: you need either a time machine to the past, or the future (where there is the text to in seconds scan all your pages and upload key words into your hard/soft drive cloud space ibrain face attachment that does what I originally said for you)
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>>9150957
Yeah I do this in Google docs by making Chapter headings and a contents at the beginning, it's more to do with the different characters, the mindset they have at the time, where in the story they are and how they feel about other characters etc. I find myself going to a chapter where I write about something before realising it occurred somewhere else or "wait X has fallen out with Y by this point" etc.
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>>9150893

Is it possible you're having trouble because nothing remarkable happens in your novel?

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>"Exceptions prove the rule."
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same desu
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>>9150777
>777
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>>9150777
Yes. That quote makes me want to rabbit punch people in the throat. It's a fucking cop out saying, and makes no sense. Fuck you. Fuck everybody.

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>tfw another publisher rejected my memoir today
I'm at a total loss for words, /lit/. I've been in a rage all day since receiving the news. As if the constant haranguing about finding "real work" from my mother wasn't enough, I have to cope with yet another rejection. This is the culmination of years of work; a magnum opus, *MY* magnum opus. This simply cannot stand. What is a man to do, when the world will not recognise his genius?
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My diary desu
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Jerusalem by Alan Moore. I am struggling with this book -- not in the sense that it is difficult for me to read but that I am constantly torn between loving it and thinking it's a waste of time. Sometimes it is so meandering but then I will get to a part that is amazing and motivates me to keep going, but then it gets boring again. The book is so long, and requires so much effort. Is it worth it, guys? I've recently gotten into Updike and noir/crime authors like Hammett, Chandler, Block, etc and have been blowing through those sorts of novels, but I always return to Jerusalem. Huge Alan Moore fan by the way but this is beyond the pale.
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ask on the discord
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>>9150628
What is that?

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Where do I start with the /return to order/?
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talk to your father first
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>>9150578
Nice dubs. Now seriously: where do I start?

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Hey /lit/ our prof wants us to write an essay over plato's cave in modern culture. I originally wanted to do the Matrix but prof used that in her example. Any ideas?
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>>9150206
tell your proff he should off himself

write a fake obituary for him and present that as your essay
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>>9150212
Unfortunately, my prof would see that as a death threat and fail me, after sufficient time in her safe space
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Anime and the waifu culture.

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How does one judge free verse? Take these two for example.

>The tulips are too excitable, it is winter here.
>Look how white everything is, how quiet, how snowed-in.
>I am learning peacefulness, lying by myself quietly
>As the light lies on these white walls, this bed, these hands.
>I am nobody; I have nothing to do with explosions.
>I have given my name and my day-clothes up to the nurses
>And my history to the anesthetist and my body to surgeons.

And

>In a world where natural tendency
>Antemptation is feared
>But hatred and ignorance
>Make us comfortable
>We that love and we that see
>Are crushed by responsibility.

The first one would almost be judged as the better, but how does one assess both of their aesthetic value?

>inb4 read more poetry
I've never read much free verse much apologies
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How to handle free verse, a practical guide
Step 1. Put it in a garbage bin
Step 2. Light in on fire
Step 3. Read poetry that has meter
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>>9150198
>How does one judge free verse?

Did you enjoy reading it and thinking about it?

There's your fucking standard of judgement. Jesus, does everyone need to be told how to feel about everything these days? You are the standard by which it is judged. The thoughts happening in your mind and the feelings in your body.
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>>9150198
Such confessions reveal postmodernism's wholesale abnegation of the creative will of modernism. Further, they are neither as disingenuous nor, in fact, as polemical as they sound. For, in context, they represent, not simply a particular attitude to art making, but a thoroughgoing and, I believe, unparalleled interrogation of process itself. And that's not so surprising. For a sense of measure whose observations are participations, whose descriptions are enactments, is bound to be more attentive to process than product, to means than ends. The extraordinary formal variety of postmodern art is the direct result of a discovery of a whole range of processes that pre-empt conscious purpose and give open entry to the circumstances and materials of art making.

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Hi /lit/,

I want to make some book charts. How do I go about making them look nice and neat like pic related (or any pics on the wiki)?
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>>9149923
photoshop and patience i guess
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>>9149925
any good guides to photoshop? I'm incompetent at it desu

Just borrowed this biography of Heidegger. Anyone here familiar with his writings? What do you think of him?
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>>9149904

Read it, enjoyed it. Its a decent introduction to his philosophy, but much better as a supplement.

Shitposters will say Heidegger's writing is obtuse, meaningless, and intentionally overcomplicated.

They're somewhat right, he's a horrible read until you get a handle on how he writes. Past that he's worth the effort. Avoid being and time at first, I'd recommend reading 'history of the concept of time' first, perhaps alongside some supplementary texts. Helps to have an understanding of Aristotle and Husserl.
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>>9150020
thank you
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>>9149904

This is relevant for my essay I am currently writing for a course.

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A SULTRY, stifling midday. Not a cloudlet in the sky. . . . The sun-baked grass had a disconsolate, hopeless look: even if there were rain it could never be green again. . . . The forest stood silent, motionless, as though it were looking at something with its tree-tops or expecting something.

At the edge of the clearing a tall, narrow-shouldered man of forty in a red shirt, in patched trousers that had been a gentleman's, and in high boots, was slouching along with a lazy, shambling step. He was sauntering along the road. On the right was the green of the clearing, on the left a golden sea of ripe rye stretched to the very horizon. He was red and perspiring, a white cap with a straight jockey peak, evidently a gift from some open-handed young gentleman, perched jauntily on his handsome flaxen head. Across his shoulder hung a game-bag with a blackcock lying in it. The man held a double-barrelled gun cocked in his hand, and screwed up his eyes in the direction of his lean old dog who was running on ahead sniffing the bushes. There was stillness all round, not a sound . . . everything living was hiding away from the heat.

"Yegor Vlassitch!" the huntsman suddenly heard a soft voice.

He started and, looking round, scowled. Beside him, as though she had sprung out of the earth, stood a pale-faced woman of thirty with a sickle in her hand. She was trying to look into his face, and was smiling diffidently.

"Oh, it is you, Pelagea!" said the huntsman, stopping and deliberately uncocking the gun. "H'm! . . . How have you come here?"

"The women from our village are working here, so I have come with them. . . . As a labourer, Yegor Vlassitch."

"Oh . . ." growled Yegor Vlassitch, and slowly walked on.

Pelagea followed him. They walked in silence for twenty paces.

"I have not seen you for a long time, Yegor Vlassitch . . ." said Pelagea looking tenderly at the huntsman's moving shoulders. "I have not seen you since you came into our hut at Easter for a drink of water . . . you came in at Easter for a minute and then God knows how . . . drunk . . . you scolded and beat me and went away . . . I have been waiting and waiting . . . I've tired my eyes out looking for you. Ah, Yegor Vlassitch, Yegor Vlassitch! you might look in just once!"

"What is there for me to do there?"

"Of course there is nothing for you to do . . . though to be sure . . . there is the place to look after. . . . To see how things are going. . . . You are the master. . . . I say, you have shot a blackcock, Yegor Vlassitch! You ought to sit down and rest!"

As she said all this Pelagea laughed like a silly girl and looked up at Yegor's face. Her face was simply radiant with happiness.

"Sit down? If you like . . ." said Yegor in a tone of indifference, and he chose a spot between two fir-trees. "Why are you standing? You sit down too."

Pelagea sat a little way off in the sun and, ashamed of her joy, put her hand over her smiling mouth. Two minutes passed in silence.
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[2] "You might come for once," said Pelagea.

"What for?" sighed Yegor, taking off his cap and wiping his red forehead with his hand. "There is no object in my coming. To go for an hour or two is only waste of time, it's simply upsetting you, and to live continually in the village my soul could not endure. . . . You know yourself I am a pampered man. . . . I want a bed to sleep in, good tea to drink, and refined conversation. . . . I want all the niceties, while you live in poverty and dirt in the village. . . . I couldn't stand it for a day. Suppose there were an edict that I must live with you, I should either set fire to the hut or lay hands on myself. From a boy I've had this love for ease; there is no help for it."

"Where are you living now?"

"With the gentleman here, Dmitry Ivanitch, as a huntsman. I furnish his table with game, but he keeps me . . . more for his pleasure than anything."

"That's not proper work you're doing, Yegor Vlassitch. . . . For other people it's a pastime, but with you it's like a trade . . . like real work."

"You don't understand, you silly," said Yegor, gazing gloomily at the sky. "You have never understood, and as long as you live you will never understand what sort of man I am. . . . You think of me as a foolish man, gone to the bad, but to anyone who understands I am the best shot there is in the whole district. The gentry feel that, and they have even printed things about me in a magazine. There isn't a man to be compared with me as a sportsman. . . . And it is not because I am pampered and proud that I look down upon your village work. From my childhood, you know, I have never had any calling apart from guns and dogs. If they took away my gun, I used to go out with the fishing-hook, if they took the hook I caught things with my hands. And I went in for horse-dealing too, I used to go to the fairs when I had the money, and you know that if a peasant goes in for being a sportsman, or a horse-dealer, it's good-bye to the plough. Once the spirit of freedom has taken a man you will never root it out of him. In the same way, if a gentleman goes in for being an actor or for any other art, he will never make an official or a landowner. You are a woman, and you do not understand, but one must understand that."

"I understand, Yegor Vlassitch."

"You don't understand if you are going to cry. . . ."

"I . . . I'm not crying," said Pelagea, turning away. "It's a sin, Yegor Vlassitch! You might stay a day with luckless me, anyway. It's twelve years since I was married to you, and . . . and . . . there has never once been love between us! . . . I . . . I am not crying."
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[3] "Love . . ." muttered Yegor, scratching his hand. "There can't be any love. It's only in name we are husband and wife; we aren't really. In your eyes I am a wild man, and in mine you are a simple peasant woman with no understanding. Are we well matched? I am a free, pampered, profligate man, while you are a working woman, going in bark shoes and never straightening your back. The way I think of myself is that I am the foremost man in every kind of sport, and you look at me with pity. . . . Is that being well matched?"

"But we are married, you know, Yegor Vlassitch," sobbed Pelagea.

"Not married of our free will. . . . Have you forgotten? You have to thank Count Sergey Paylovitch and yourself. Out of envy, because I shot better than he did, the Count kept giving me wine for a whole month, and when a man's drunk you could make him change his religion, let alone getting married. To pay me out he married me to you when I was drunk. . . . A huntsman to a herd-girl! You saw I was drunk, why did you marry me? You were not a serf, you know; you could have resisted. Of course it was a bit of luck for a herd-girl to marry a huntsman, but you ought to have thought about it. Well, now be miserable, cry. It's a joke for the Count, but a crying matter for you. . . . Beat yourself against the wall."

A silence followed. Three wild ducks flew over the clearing. Yegor followed them with his eyes till, transformed into three scarcely visible dots, they sank down far beyond the forest.

"How do you live?" he asked, moving his eyes from the ducks to Pelagea.

"Now I am going out to work, and in the winter I take a child from the Foundling Hospital and bring it up on the bottle. They give me a rouble and a half a month."

"Oh. . . ."

Again a silence. From the strip that had been reaped floated a soft song which broke off at the very beginning. It was too hot to sing.

"They say you have put up a new hut for Akulina," said Pelagea.

Yegor did not speak.

"So she is dear to you. . . ."

"It's your luck, it's fate!" said the huntsman, stretching. "You must put up with it, poor thing. But good-bye, I've been chattering long enough. . . . I must be at Boltovo by the evening."

Yegor rose, stretched himself, and slung his gun over his shoulder; Pelagea got up.

"And when are you coming to the village?" she asked softly.

"I have no reason to, I shall never come sober, and you have little to gain from me drunk; I am spiteful when I am drunk. Good-bye!"

"Good-bye, Yegor Vlassitch."
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[4] Yegor put his cap on the back of his head and, clicking to his dog, went on his way. Pelagea stood still looking after him. . . . She saw his moving shoulder-blades, his jaunty cap, his lazy, careless step, and her eyes were full of sadness and tender affection. . . . Her gaze flitted over her husband's tall, lean figure and caressed and fondled it. . . . He, as though he felt that gaze, stopped and looked round. . . . He did not speak, but from his face, from his shrugged shoulders, Pelagea could see that he wanted to say something to her. She went up to him timidly and looked at him with imploring eyes.

"Take it," he said, turning round.

He gave her a crumpled rouble note and walked quickly away.

"Good-bye, Yegor Vlassitch," she said, mechanically taking the rouble.

He walked by a long road, straight as a taut strap. She, pale and motionless as a statue, stood, her eyes seizing every step he took. But the red of his shirt melted into the dark colour of his trousers, his step could not be seen, and the dog could not be distinguished from the boots. Nothing could be seen but the cap, and . . . suddenly Yegor turned off sharply into the clearing and the cap vanished in the greenness.

"Good-bye, Yegor Vlassitch," whispered Pelagea, and she stood on tiptoe to see the white cap once more.

>P&V is highly overrated, and their prose is terrible.
>Reading good translations is important, but 'exact translations' aren't. In fact they're usually worse because you can't exactly translate anything without soundly clumsy.
>The best translations of Russian lit should be the ones with the best English prose as long as it isn't fucked up like the original Garnett translations.
>When reading Russian lit never buy the same translators for different authors, otherwise you're reading the same prose (the translator).
>For Tolstoy the best translator is Maude.
>For Dostoevsky its McDuff or revised Garnett.

Thoughts?

You get literally nothing out of 'exact' translations. You should be more concerned with how the English sounds because you will never be able to appreciate what constitutes 'good' prose in Russian.
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>>9149868
Or you could just learn the language. It's not hard. You can do it in 6 months.
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A conclusion to your logic is basically the fact that translations are trash regardless. Reading foreign lit in translated form at best gives you a well-made personal interpretation of the translator, but you aren't even close to the original author

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Looking for some spit balling to help shape my characters in what I've been writing. I'm very much trying to keep them from becoming John/Jane Does so if you have any tips on how to keep me away from that please let me know.

Without going to far into the plot, the MC is a knight who is on a quest to retrieve his King's ruling essence, of which the Queen stole. The MC has to kill the Queen and take that essence back (though he himself becomes corrupted by it soooo).

Something that I've been trying to go for with the MC is, yes, chivalrous though manly so to his King. He can and does self indulge though he mainly sticks to his duty as a knight. However, in finding out that his King might not live anyway, that he's too far gone and his quest is in vain, he starts to doubt himself, his King, and his hopes for killing the Queen.

The Queen, while the main antagonist, I don't want to make inherently evil. She's very much a maternal figure but with a rough outer shell. She herself wants to rule, though she hasn't the power to do it so it will ultimately fail and she knows that but with the essence she stole from the kill she's still driven towards said goal. I want her to very much carry on with the air of, "I only want what's best for you." Sort of manipulative but also you know she's doing it from the heart. Kind of like Kathy Bates from Misery or Yukako from Jojo's Bizarre Adventures (more of a anime nerd than a book worm).

Help would be much appreciated in crafting these characters but I'm all for spitballing ideas.
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>>9149649
You're coming across as "a bit much" there pardner, infer whatever you want from that
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>>9149649
>his King's ruling essence, of which the Queen stole.

wat
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>>9149649
What do you mean by "essence"? Like, is it a former of energy, or....

Why does the essence corrupt the MC?

Concerning characters, who else helps or hinders the MC? And why is it bad that the Queen has the essence? Is she a bad ruler? Why should we root for the King?

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the most pungent piece of shit that i have read, the reddit of books
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~70 when weighed against literary fcition
its an ~80 within science fiction for its importance
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I asked on a scale of 1 to 100. I'd like to have an explanation of why you think so. I'm curious

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