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>>9163080
Literally just a way to make people who did X feel good for having X. Not productive, not useful, degenerate.

>>9163085
> Not productive, not useful, degenerate
>Translation: i am an autistic manchild

I wouldn't bother with him honestly. He's a bit of a hack who used his dad's literary fame to jumpstart his career. Some of his books like the two you mentioned are somewhat enjoyable but you could be using your time to read something better. I made the mistake of buying the Zone of Interest in hardback when it came out a few years ago, it made me cringe, a lot.

>>9162745
I think he's not bad. He has his own style - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't Actually preferred his earlier work to the more famous stuff. I personally quite like the Zone of Interest though. London Fields and Money are decent.

His literary criticism, on the other hand, is generally excellent and I absolutely recommend it.

meh

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>>9162568
meh

Lovecraft claimed to be inspired by his work, but i read the King In Yellow and thought it was written too long ago to understand. i guess people in the 19th century were scared of different things, like lepers and guys who ran mysterious shops in Paris.

>>9162521
I translate shitposts.

>>9162521
I guess so.

>>9162600
More like an anthropological/mental-sanity for (You) my fiend.

>>9162521
It's a good thinking exercise. Answering sp's can be a good writing ex, esp. if your desire is to keep on writing NO MATTER WHAT

>>9162472
I believe there's an Oxford Dictionary of Place-names. Would be a start.

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knowing a language helps. Try Melvyn Bragg's documentary series on the history of English, which will give you the origins of place names along with lots of other etymologies.

Pic is Tynwald mound in St John's, Isle of Mann, called Tynwald from the same origin as your pic OP. Still used as a ceremonial part of their government.

>>9162509
I've a little german but I'm rusty

I'm Irish so it's interesting how the place names are half phonetic translations from Irish to English while others are direct translations of the place name.

A lot of people consider Gabriel Garcia-Marquez to be the GOAT of magical realism. I haven't read much of him but I'd very highly recommend 100 Years of Solitude. Chronicle of a Death Foretold is also good but much less magical realism.

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>>9163007
I don't get the excessive praise towards Garcia Márquez, I've read 5 books by him (in spanish) and they're rather dull and even boring

>>9162444
Alejo Carpentier
Juan Rulfo
Miguel Ángel Asturias
Italo Calvino
Jorge Luis Borges
Günter Grass
Isabel Allende
Salman Rushdie

>>9162215
Joe has given himself an impossible task here. He has attempted to write a text which describes an emerging consciousness, a Being other than Dasien, who has enough of a memory of English words for them to be used in a rational manner. However, there is a fracture between signifier and signified, and an impossibly Other experience of existence being expressed. To give one example – a brain, of course, has no eyes and no nerve endings, so cannot "feel" or "see" in the way we use those words. However, IMP PLUS is connected to a number of sensory devices (for example one measuring the photosynthesis occurring in the plant beds beneath him) and this input is "experienced" in a way which is similar to the way our brain "experiences" the input it receives from our retina. IMP PLUS calls it "seeing", as that is the only appropriate word he can find, though what it signifies is different. This can make the process of reading, for us Readers, rather confusing.

IMP PLUS also has flashes of memory, which are both beautiful and sad, and which further complicate his Being.

And so it all depends on whether you can enjoy reading in a state of uncertainty, if you can resist the urge to attempt to decipher each sentence so that it makes sense from a human perspective. My advice would just be to let it all flow and see how you feel at the end…personally I enjoyed the whole thing, and found the end rather moving…but you may think differently, of course.


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Joe writes in the same way a 3d Printer creates an object.
They create through additive processes, layering successive pieces of a component, building cross-section upon cross-section until an object is formed. Completion, and by completion in this metaphor I mean "understanding" or the state of "having-read" (synonyms in an ideal world, but often not in reality, of course), is only possible once all the layers have been laid.

If we imagine sitting on the tip of the nozzle of some impossibly huge 3d Printer what would we experience? We would, I think, feel something akin to that which occurs in Joe's novels (and this one in particular). We would leap around in seemingly random steps, we would jar and jerk, we would get sea-sick. To pause the printing after the creation of the first line would not assist in uncovering meaning. The meaning is not to be uncovered, it is to be built. There are sentences, paragraphs in this novel which, were we to refuse to move forward until they were "understood", could fix us in place forever. Joe asks for our trust, we must ride out the process until it is complete. It is not linear, but it is not confused, and it is guided by a complex and strict blueprint.

And yet, to step out of this metaphor for a moment, there are individual sentences of great beauty. The music of the prose is stunning. While we wait for meaning to emerge, we can just listen:


"Imp Plus found in all the folds whose fibers gripped each lens of

"Imp Plus found in all the folds whose fibers gripped each lens of those eyes he had held with his own lost eyes a sweet humor of sugar and blood which unfolding flowed over him.
It was a fluid ground laid down upon furrows, fissures, ridges, rolls.
It flowed over Imp Plus’s body now, except that he had no body. Flowed into folds that were his.
"


"That sight as far off now as a spring day when he'd been touched - he couldn't cast away the touch - by another laughter which moved up the grid of his back, and he had turned from the unhooded carburetor of a car that would not go and had seen first acres of sea crest skimmed by three broad-winged shearwate

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mcelbump

Hays

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>>9161867
Never more?

Invite him for some amontillado

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>>9161867
>Nightpain

p good

gotta admit that i've always written them off as pretentious noise rock made for the sake of being weird but this is actually kind of interesting, esp. with the context behind it

>>9161741
>i've always written them off as pretentious noise rock made for the sake of being weird
I guess I can see why you'd think that about their early albums but Sister and Daydream Nation are pretty much just noisy indie rock, although with far more sophisticated composition than you'd typically find in the genre, making extensive use of counterpoint and lush, expressive harmonies and taking cues from modal jazz, Krautrock and classical minimalism.

Lyrically I've always seen Lee Ranaldo as being the major talent in the band.
>We can't see clear
>But what we see is alright
>We make up what we can't hear
>Then we sing all night
>Scattered pages and shattered lights
>See the jackknife, see the dream
>There's something moving over there to the right
>Like nothing I've ever seen

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My folks can make me split my side,
I laughed so hard I nearly died,
The tales they tell, sound just like lying,
They grow the fruit,
But eat the rind.

Tears, idle tears, I know not what they mean,
Tears from the depth of some divine despair
Rise in the heart, and gather to the eyes,
In looking on the happy autumn-fields,
And thinking of the days that are no more.

Fresh as the first beam glittering on a sail,
That brings our friends up from the underworld,
Sad as the last which reddens over one
That sinks with all we love below the verge;
So sad, so fresh, the days that are no more.

Ah, sad and strange as in dark summer dawns
The earliest pipe of half-awaken'd birds
To dying ears, when unto dying eyes
The casement slowly grows a glimmering square;
So sad, so strange, the days that are no more.

Dear as remembered kisses after death,
And sweet as those by hopeless fancy feign'd
On lips that are for others; deep as love,
Deep as first love, and wild with all regret;
O Death in Life, the days that are no more!

In my beginning is my end. In succession
Houses rise and fall, crumble, are extended,
Are removed, destroyed, restored, or in their place
Is an open field, or a factory, or a by-pass.
Old stone to new building, old timber to new fires,
Old fires to ashes, and ashes to the earth
Which is already flesh, fur, and faeces,
Bone of man and beast, cornstalk and leaf.
Houses live and die: there is a time for building
And a time for living and for generation
And a time for the wind to break the loosened pane
And to shake the wainscot where the field mouse trots
And to shake the tattered arras woven with a silent motto.

Typical 'cute' and non-threatening girl you faggots love. I hate them.

Damn this was a while ago. She's ahead of /lit/

>>9161498

Nice question, anyone please ?

>>9161498
>Guy standing
>he's sitting

I wouldn't trust anything this hack says.

Robert Silverberg, "Dying Inside"

dude is a telepath, but can't use it to make a living. he ends up writing shitty term papers for sports jocks, realises his telepathy is fading as he gets older and, well, yeah, it's not a comedy.

>>9163031
Thanks I'm trying to research more about telepathy. Not because I think I can achieve it but because I find the concept fascinating. Think we will have near telepathic tech eventually?

It's probably enough to be familiar with the arguments. You won't get the full sense of just how different it is what Kant's doing, but I don't think you'll miss out on too much.

You should probably read Descartes' meditations if you haven't though to be talking about all this modern philosophy. But apparently you've read Spinoza already?

be familiar with early modern philosophers, read Hume.

I read Critique of Pure Reason, but wasn't convinced by his arguments against it. I think especially now we need reason more than ever.