When I got into cinema there were several first-year undergraduate textbooks that went through the basics. They didn't require the reader to view any films, nor did they interpret any films, nor did they talk about critical theories of film, they merely went through each of the basic building blocks of film - photography, mise en scene, movement, editing, sound, acting, dramatisation, story - explaining what they were at a fundamental level, their elements (e.g. for mise en scene: the frame, composition, space, proxemics, forms), and how they may be used. They illustrated these examples with stills from films.
Is there some textbook equivalent for literature, that breaks it down for a complete pleb?
All I've found thus far is unsatisfactory; either it's a compilation of different critical theories, or it's a grammar textbook, or it's a quirky "how to read a book :^) (btw read these ones)" book.
my diary desu
>>9280680
literary theory is a retarded pseudo-science and a waste of time. Reading classic books, writing, and then comparing the books to your writing is the best way to get a true understanding of literature.
>>9280680
Poetics by Aristotle
What the fuck did I just read?
Is there even a point to this?
>>9280641
how to detect a retard
>>9280641
One of the best short story collections ever written. So no there is no point in reading anything.
gtfo
I know reading is good for me and healthy for the mind. I want to know more and broaden my perspectives. But then I think why bother? What's the point of learning all this information if I can't put it to good use and contribute to society. I know I'm not going to be anything special. I could enjoy reading for its own sake but there's more enjoyable things to do. I could use what I read to have better arguments when talking to my friends. But no one likes a know-it-all and there's always going to be someone who knows more and can trump what I know. Even if its just to learn. I can get that from other media.
What's the point?
There is no point. Do what you actually enjoy.
>>9280538
Aesthetic pleasure is the point, I do not believe that reading fiction contributes to a better society in anything but a very minuscule way, in that it makes the readers slightly less autistic.
I do take offense at the notion that you should just enjoy yourself. I did that for a couple of years of snorting white heroin and cocaine for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day. Enjoyment is an empty meme.
>>9280538
Read to learn and understand the world you inhabit; die knowing what the world you were in was.
I just finished reading Chapterhouse: Dune. I thoroughly enjoyed the six novels. Frank Herbert is my new god. Not really but now I am sad and lost. I know he was supposed to end the saga in a final novel but he fucking died before doing so and his son wrote prequels and 2 sequels based on notes but... I dont want to read any of it, at least not for now. Anyone know if there's any way a pleb like me can get his hands on the Dune 7 outline? I'm just a lost lamb that needs some closure. Am planning to read the biography Brian Herbert did on his dad next.
I've also just purchased the short story collection "Eye" for a final Dune kick
you could read "Whipping Star" and "The Dosadi Experiment". they're pretty good, in my opinion.
if you're a glutton for punishment, read "Destination:Void", and then wonder if you should waste your time on "The Jesus Incident", "The Lazarus Effect" and "The Ascension Factor".
the last three books, i kept wishing Ship would wipe them all out.
>>9280783
I do plan on reading Frank's other stuff someday, it is quite appealing to me, thanks for the suggestion though.
What I unrealistically want is to have his untouched Dune 7 outline, I can't bring myself to read Brian's novels... Anyone to give his sequels credit?
Btw, treat this as a Dune general thread too, his philosophical, sociological and political ideas throughout the saga, whether the film theyre planning will be any good, that kind of crap.
Also, Duncan Idaho the only character to be present in ALL the novels, is he the real protagonist and not the Atreides?
Upon Closer Inspection, the Words Mean Nothing
>>9280394
alternative: A Monopoly on Truth
I wouldnt read it.
It reeks of pretentiousness. a claim to nothing but itself.
Make that a theme, or an abstract line for resonance but as a title it's terrible.
>>9280400
What are your favorite book titles then?
You know, so I know you know what you're talking about
How Aliterate are you?
https://thewalrus.ca/the-rising-tide-of-educated-aliteracy/
Ah yes 2017 the year where everything is normal.
>>9280321
>mfw 2smart4u
:^)
When I was falling out of love with literature, I kept asking people in English departments why they loved reading, and they never gave me a good answer. Just one good answer, I'm sure, would have turned me around.
I only come here because /r9k/ makes me depressed. Fuck reading.
What pisses me off is the total apathy these people have towards "aliteracy".
No alarm bells sounding when prominent literary critics don't even read the works they're criticizing?
That's fucking INSANE, and proof that literature is dead. Leaf it to a Can(c)uck to be so impassive in the face of people destroying what he (claims to) love.
George R.R. Martin
>Tolkien was afraid to kill off major characters
Um... try again sweetie.
Why are modern authors such pretentious assholes, and why must they do their best to degrade the people they base their works on?
Capitalism does that to you
>>9280238
Tolkien took English legends and recast them in a new setting.
He was basically the Chaucer of our time.
>>9280329
At least GRRM can write an effective diarrhea scene.
>Jane Austen could never resist a joke, even one about an acquaintance 'brought to bed yesterday of a dead child', prematurely born because of a fright. Jane pretended to think the stillbirth was caused by the mother happening 'by chance to look at her husband'. This appalling sick joke has the power to make us wince, even today. Dead babies are not funny.
Damn, Jane Austen was a 4channer.
>>9280270
pics or it didn't happen
hey man, she was just ahead of her time. a female modernist (urged through social pressures towards romanticism). It's fitting she would think like that.
I see your point though, we're pretty edgy over here and i guess maybe even avante-garde in a way.
if it weren't for all the self-serious, and outspoken fedoras we'd probably still have a decent rep.
>>9280270
Out of control banter
I just started Mason & Dixon, about 75 pages in, and I'll admit that I'm struggling with it. Should this be a hard read? I've only previously read Crying of Lot 49.
>>9280245
I found reading chapter summaries afterwards (there's a website with all of them, easy to find with a Google search) really helped me keep my shit together
Crying -> V. -> GR -> M&D
get real get right
>>9280261
i might check that out if i can swallow my pride
Post your backlog and help others decide or get suggestions on what to read next.
I haven't read almost any of these books yet (80% given to me). I keep seeing DFW threads and will likely read something from the meme trilogy. I've been leaning towards gravity's rainbow as I've read TCOL49 and enjoyed it, I'm unsure if there are others in my collection that would be a better use of my time.
I just finished The master and Margarita and really enjoyed it, I'm tempted to check out some Turgenev when I can afford it.
>>9280231
How good is Finnegans Wak? Sounds pretty cool
I posted this pic in a thread a few days ago, but my reading pile is mostly the same. I started reading A Passage to India, and a gypsy woman stole Sons and Lovers.
>>9280231
You should read V.
>>9280719
How much did that cost? They look new.
>at bookstore
>go to woman at counter
>grabs one of my books
>bends spine to 180 degrees and has a deep whiff
>"don't you just love the smell of books? "
Stay the hell away from my belongings.
Why are white people so uptight? Chill, boy.
was she qt?
>>9280253
Middle aged. Probably not a qt even if you're into that.
I have a good size stack of his work from when I was younger, but now that I'm an adult I can't stand any of it. Maybe some poems here and there. Did I just grow up and become a normal semi-adjusted human rather than a shitty teenager or was it always this bad and I was too dumb to notice?
I bought a collection of his poems with a gift card I got for Christmas. I've only read a handful of them but I thought some of them were decent. Some of them are definitely fedora tier tho
>>9280234
>tho
You have no right to accuse others of being fedora tier.
>>9280242
not that guy but you have hardly an idea of what fedora implies.
tho would imply he was socially adjusted for the times, aka not a fedora who would use some 20 dollar word to try to advance a cringe-worthy impression of themself.
dummy.
Writers you never see mentioned on /lit/
>>9280087
how new are you
Saul bellow rarely gets a mention.
Does the absense of tradition rhyme and meter and everything else "free up" the poem, or does it result in an absolute spew of maniacal random bullshit from every tumblrina and everyone's mothers?
Started thinking about this when I read through a local review and saw the most mundane shit being published because it looked cool and e e cummings-esque but it completely lacked any of his substance; the poet seemingly indented words at random.
>>9280066
bad poetry has always existed. you're comparing gold bars to the dirt in your siftpan.
>>9280066
it's not poetry
it's apple products
and social media
>>9280420
Hm, haven't thought about it this way. Any contemporary gold bars then? (Not op btw).
Yo tao lin when are your new books out? I don't give a fuck about the non fiction one. I barely give a fuck about your new one. What's it about? Will we like it?
Is he any good?
>>9280042
Yes